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[trumanlodge89]

ive re-read and analyzed a lot of owens comments over the last year or so. it makes sense that he wants bond. every time he has been asked about bond it was promoting another movie or event, and it may be that he didnt feel appropriate talking about other roles when promoting current projects.


what doesnt make sense is why they havent offered it to him.

[tdalton]

what doesnt make sense is why they havent offered it to him.

He supposedly screen tested for GE, so maybe they weren't impressed with him then and decided to not pursue him this time around. That's just one possibility.

[Loomis]

what doesnt make sense is why they havent offered it to him.

Hey, you might as well ask why they gave the popular Bond that was Brosnan his marching orders (if they did indeed do that), and with apparently no idea of who they wanted to replace him with.

[trumanlodge89]

what doesnt make sense is why they havent offered it to him.

Hey, you might as well ask why they gave the popular Bond that was Brosnan his marching orders (if they did indeed do that), and with apparently no idea of who they wanted to replace him with.

im sure they thought giving him the boot would be a good way of getting him to ask for less money. it still may work. if you think about it, the reason they havnt announced anyone is because they want pierce back.

[Qwerty]

From CBn Quick News...

Brittany Murphy backs Clive Owen for 007 Brittany Murphy is backing British heartthrob Clive Owen as the next James Bond. The sexy actress believes the Hollywood actor was born to be the next 007 because of his power of seduction over women. She said of her co-star at the London premiere of their new movie 'Sin City': "Clive is an absolutely gorgeous hunk of a man and a gentleman to boot. "He's born for the part of James Bond. He's born to woo women and it's just such a shame he's married!" I'm a big Pierce Brosnan fan and would love to see him play Bond one last time but if he wants to step down, there is absolutely no one better than Clive."

http://www.commander...item&item=23239

[Loomis]

She can back him all she likes, but unless Owen wants the role and the filmmakers want him too it doesn't mean squat.

[Qwerty]

At least it shows more support. The more the better in any event.

Go with Clive.

[Loomis]

At least it shows more support. The more the better in any event.

True, but I just wish that an actor or actress would champion Owen for Bond without having a movie to promote in which he or she stars alongside Owen.

[tdalton]

It's good to see more support, but it would be nice to see him get some support from someone like, oh, I don't know, DAME JUDI DENCH or someone actually involved with the making of Casino Royale. I doubt someone like Brittany Murphy has a lot of pull with Barbara Brocolli.

[Skudor]

Brittany Murphy's opinion means a great deal to me.

[Stephenson]

Now if I could just find out how Tara Reid and Paris Hilton feel about this, I'll be ready to back a candidate in earnest!

[tdalton]

Now if I could just find out how Tara Reid and Paris Hilton feel about this, I'll be ready to back a candidate in earnest!

Don't forget the ever powerful support of Britney Spears. With her support, we could put Clive Owen in the role by the end of the day!

[Stephenson]

Yes! Yes! We need to mobilize the entire ex-Mousketeer segment of young Hollywood to solve this whole "Who's Bond?" problem.

With the possible exception of del Toro, these particular people who are coming out in supportof Owen are not doing him any favors IMO.

[tdalton]

Yes! Yes! We need to mobilize the entire ex-Mousketeer segment of young Hollywood to solve this whole "Who's Bond?" problem.

With the possible exception of del Toro, these particular people who are coming out in supportof Owen are not doing him any favors IMO.

I think that Melissa George (the girl from Alias) probably did him some favors by saying that she wanted him as 007. The rest of them, I think you're right about.

[Stephenson]

Why Melissa George?

None of these people have any credibility IMO and are completely irrelevant to the issue. Next we'll have Lindsay Lohan throwing in her two cents. I can only say one good thing about these reports: if a paper is willing to print a story this ridiculous and call it "entertainment news" then there really is interest in Bond out there.

[Blofeld's Cat]

Brittany Murphy's opinion means a great deal to me.

LOL

Yep, it's sure a case of "so-bloody-what!!??" isn't it?

[Qwerty]

DAME JUDI DENCH or someone actually involved with the making of Casino Royale. 

She doesn't seem to know much about it all now.

[trumanlodge89]

for the record:


Tara Reid is much more attractive than brittany murphy or paris hilton.


and clive owen should get the job.

[spynovelfan]

It's good to see more support, but it would be nice to see him get some support from someone like, oh, I don't know, DAME JUDI DENCH or someone actually involved with the making of Casino Royale.

Well, of course, Martin Campbell was very vocal about why he thought Owen should be Bond when he made BEYOND BORDERS. Obviously, he's not being vocal now - that would be tantamount to an announcement - but Owen does at least have someone important in the camp who's gone on record repeatedly as saying he thinks he'd be great for the part. Of course, Campbell will also probably have some loyalty to Brosnan.

[Jon1984]

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Clive Owen looks the part, but if his performance in King Arthur is anything to go by then he'd be horrible.
Upon registering i saw the list of prospective names for the role and unfortunatly couldn't agree with any of them.
First and foremost he needs to be British, so the mention of Russell Crowe et al sends shivers down my spine.
Then it comes down to looks and acting ability, which i think all but one the contenders fall into 'either or' catagory.
The exception i believe is Christian Bale. Unfortunately he is Batman so i don't think he would work having played another prominent superhero figure.

I believe it will just have to be a case of using someone like Owen who looks the part and hoping they pull off a good performance.

However i just hope they have a good script and director for the next generation of films in order to allow the best to come out of whoever does play Bond. Like many other people, Brosnan is my favourite Bond but apart from 'GE' he has been let down by the writing and production. Lets hope whoever does play Bond in the future can be given the chance to be assessed through their performance alone, rather than the quality of the film.

J

[spynovelfan]

Jon, welcome to CBN, the most astonishing James Bond site in the known universe.

I agree with most of your points. Haven't seen KING ARTHUR yet, though it has been uniformly panned, and Owen's performance singled out as being poor. That said, pretty much every other performance he's given is usually singled out for praise, and the plaudits and awards for his two most recent roles, in SIN CITY and CLOSER, suggest KA was a blip. I thought Bale's performance in VELVET GOLDMINE was dreadful, but then he's very good in some of his other films. I'll say what I always say regarding Owen as Bond - the easiest way to decide if you think he'd be good for the role is to watch one or two of the short films he made for BMW a couple of years ago, many of which seem like pretty blatant screen-tests. Most are between five and ten minutes long and I think show he'd be great in the role. You might disagree, of course. They show a range of Bondian attributes: Ticker, which was directed by Joe Carnahan (NARC) and co-stars Don Cheadle, F Murray Abraham and Ray Liotta, is the best of the lot in my book, and shows his harder-edged side. The John Woo-directed Hostage is also excellent, and reminds me a lot of Dalton's films. But Owen would, I think, also have the lighter, Moore-ish side to him as Bond, and that's best shown in Star.

[Qwerty]

NEWBIE ALERT

Clive Owen looks the part, but if his performance in King Arthur is anything to go by then he'd be horrible.

Welcome to CBn.

Take the Bourne Identity performance into account as well IMO.

[Loomis]

Take the Bourne Identity performance into account as well IMO.

Yeah, also CLOSER, and Martin Campbell's BEYOND BORDERS (if memory serves, Campbell introduces Owen's character in one scene in a similar way to Brosnan's in GOLDENEYE, with a closeup of his eyes).

[Jon1984]

[quote name=' regarding Owen as Bond - the easiest way to decide if you think he'd be good for the role is to watch one or two of the short films he made for BMW a couple of years ago' date=' many of which seem like pretty blatant screen-tests.[/quote']

Cheers for the welcome guys

Having now watched the BMW clips i must say you have certainly given me something to think about. They indicate that he does have the potential; the STARS clip certainly showed a humourous side to him that i had not yet seen. However these were directed by the likes of John Woo etc and had Tony Scott and Ridley Scott in production and based upon an idea of David Fincher. James Bond would never attract such behind the scenes talent and this does affect the quality of the film, but that is of course nothing to do with Clive Owen.

With regards to other comments about Sin City and Closer, the former sees Owen sharing a multiple lead cast, whilst the latter sees him share a 4-way lead. As for the Bourne Identity, he was good, but he played a badass mute for the majority of scenes. King Arthur provided perhaps his most prominent role (please correct me if i'm wrong as i'm not totally up to date with all his work) and he fluffed it, therefore whether he could hold down a leading role for a whole 2 hour film in such a role as Bond is still questionable i think.

Despite this i have say that he seems the most intelligent choice to play Bond. He has very little competition however.

J

[spynovelfan]

King Arthur provided perhaps his most prominent role (please correct me if i'm wrong as i'm not totally up to date with all his work) and he fluffed it, therefore whether he could hold down a leading role for a whole 2 hour film in such a role as Bond is still questionable i think.   

Not sure that's fair: none of the previous Bond actors had played the lead in a hugely successful feature film before landing the role, either, and they all did pretty well. I think holding KING ARTHUR against Owen is a bit like holding LAWNMOWER MAN against Brosnan before GOLDENEYE. I think it's more important whether or not they look like they could convince in the part, rather than any blips they might have had in their career. I think Owen was also very good in GOSFORD PARK and CROUPIER, and a lot of his TV work has had Bond-ish elements to it.

[Stephenson]

for the record:


Tara Reid is much more attractive than brittany murphy or paris hilton.


and clive owen should get the job.

No matter how goodlooking one is compare to the other, I feel like an oxygen mask should drop from the ceiling whenever any of them opens her mouth.

and Butler should get the job, IMO, but there are many other actors I would pay to see in the role.

Edited by Stephenson, 26 May 2005 - 03:41 PM.

[Qwerty]

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[Bon-san]

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Thought better of it, eh Qwerty?

[Bondian]

If I maybe permitted to have one of my occasions serious moments. And all Owenthologists ( or whatever you're calling yourselves ) I do not mean to be offensive to any of you in the following text..

I really do not see the appeal for Clive Owen. What has this chap got that's worth bringing to the table?. A rugged face?, a similar attitude to Connery, or his awful and badly placed inaudible East London accent?. I have not seen a movie where he displays a good speaking tone. It's just a flat monaural grunt.

What has happened to the hansom, rugged and romantic leading man in motion pictures?. A man that could melt a cheese sandwich from 20 yards?. Can you imagine someone like Clive ( gor blimey g'vner ) Owen in a romantic passionate kiss with Olivia DeHavilland or Lauren Bacall?. Well, I know they're either dead or well past it, but what's happened to the romantic side of Bond?. Why does the modern screen kiss have to include near facial consumption, lip biting and nose nuzzling?. Did they forget lunch, or are they draining as much mouth juice to fill up their empty radiator?. What happened to that sexy romantic slightly shy kiss?. I'm not a prude, but I find the modern screen kiss so embarrassing and awkward. A romantic kiss should not always show lust and passion, if you're a gentleman, you hold back, and only show your worth when you get the OK to fill up that empty radiator.

Take 'Try Another Day' for instance. Bond places himself near the beach ( in a shirt that is far too flash for an Ornithologist ), and ( oh, what a surprise ) a gorgeous Oscar winner in slow motion arises from the sea (rather like a dog that's been thrown in to get a stick). And guess what. Old plonker James Bond is smoking a cigar ( in his 'camera' hand ) and has got a book on 'Birds of the West Indies'. Maybe the producers thought that Brosnan has a lousy singing voice to blurt out "I've got chills, they're multiplying...", it would be more appropriate for him to stand there like an idiot posing as an Ornithologist and this book that probably nobody's ever read. What did this women find so alluring from this man?. His job, his cigar smoking, his bad communication skills or a tasty treat inside his trousers. Bird seed. His chat-up line is "lovely view", then Bond is succumbed to several sexual innuendo's that lead him, his cigar and that stupid book into a mad passionate sexually depraved love making session. Hell, haven't these people heard of safe sex?. Then, when the morning comes, Bonds left to wake up without a good morning kiss, or even a cup-of-tea ( Tetley's Dave ) and she pisses-off.

What has James Bond become?. And why does he have to smoke a cigar just because he's in Cuba?. Even Miranda Frost gets him into bed then double-crosses him.

So, going back to the modern hero, we have a man who cannot say no to any female, a screen kiss that leads to full intercourse ( withoutbreakfast ) ( with some fruit thrown in ), a man who can shoot 600 people with 50 bullets and an action flick that only gets off the ground before the action actually starts.

Is it worth Owen having elocution lessons for that kind of crap?. Nope.

Goodnight.

[Mr. Somerset]

If I maybe permitted to have one of my occasions serious moments. And all Owenthologists ( or whatever you're calling yourselves  ) I do not mean to be offensive to any of you in the following text.. 

I really do not see the appeal for Clive Owen. What has this chap got that's worth bringing to the table?. A rugged face?, a similar attitude to Connery, or his awful and badly placed inaudible East London accent?. I have not seen a movie where he displays a good speaking tone. It's just a flat monaural grunt.

What has happened to the hansom, rugged and romantic leading man in motion pictures?. A man that could melt a cheese sandwich from 20 yards?. Can you imagine someone like Clive ( gor blimey g'vner ) Owen in a  romantic passionate kiss with Olivia DeHavilland or Lauren Bacall?. Well, I know they're either dead or well past it, but what's happened to the romantic side of Bond?. Why does the modern screen kiss have to include near facial consumption, lip biting and nose nuzzling?. Did they forget lunch, or are they draining as much mouth juice to fill up their empty radiator?. What happened to that sexy romantic slightly shy kiss?. I'm not a prude, but I find the modern screen kiss so embarrassing and awkward. A romantic kiss should not always show lust and passion, if you're a gentleman, you hold back, and only show your worth when you get the OK to fill up that empty radiator.

Take 'Try Another Day' for instance. Bond places himself near the beach ( in a shirt that is far too flash for an Ornithologist ), and ( oh, what a surprise ) a gorgeous Oscar winner in slow motion arises from the sea (rather like a dog that's been thrown in to get a stick). And guess what. Old plonker James Bond is smoking a cigar ( in his 'camera' hand ) and has got a book on 'Birds of the West Indies'. Maybe the producers thought that Brosnan has a lousy singing voice to blurt out "I've got chills, they're multiplying...", it would be more appropriate for him to stand there like an idiot posing as an Ornithologist and this book that probably nobody's ever read. What did this women find so alluring from this man?. His job, his cigar smoking, his bad communication skills or a tasty treat inside his trousers. Bird seed. His chat-up line is "lovely view", then Bond is succumbed to several sexual innuendo's that lead him, his cigar and that stupid book into a mad passionate sexually depraved love making session. Hell, haven't these people heard of safe sex?. Then, when the morning comes, Bonds left to wake up without a good morning kiss, or even a cup-of-tea ( Tetley's Dave  ) and she pisses-off.

What has James Bond become?. And why does he have to smoke a cigar just because he's in Cuba?. Even Miranda Frost gets him into bed then double-crosses him.

So, going back to the modern hero, we have a man who cannot say no to any female, a screen kiss that leads to full intercourse ( withoutbreakfast ) ( with some fruit thrown in ), a man who can shoot 600 people with 50 bullets and an action flick that only gets off the ground before the action actually starts.

Is it worth Owen having elocution lessons for that kind of crap?. Nope.

Goodnight. 

Agreed. The romanticism has been lost in Bond lately. Certainly Connery and Moore had the Bond kiss down pat, but lately it's just as you described, Bondian.
As for Clive, I've only seen him kiss Rosario in Sin City. Though it fit the movie, it wasn't quite what I'd call Bond like.