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[Loomis]

Loom, Owen will be Bond.

I'm saying nothing. I'm just waiting for Seannery to come in and have a field day over Owen's remarks.

Or would EON prefer Gruffud, Purefoy, Craig, a knackered un-loved Brozza?

Probably.

A quote, I think, from you're favourite Bond movie; "Make your choice".

Hmmm.... I don't recognise that quotation. Is it from THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN?

[David Schofield]

[quote name='Loomis' date='21 May 2005 - 14:15'][quote name='David Schofield' date='21 May 2005 - 14:11']Loom, Owen will be Bond.

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I'm saying nothing. I'm just waiting for Seannery to come in and have a field day over Owen's remarks.

[quote name='David Schofield' date='21 May 2005 - 14:11']Or would EON prefer Gruffud, Purefoy, Craig, a knackered un-loved Brozza?

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Probably.

[quote name='David Schofield' date='21 May 2005 - 14:11']A quote, I think, from you're favourite Bond movie; "Make your choice".

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Just remembered. Its from LALD. Where Rog confronts Gloria Hendry, post shag.

I had the feeling it was where Rog confronted Maud Adams in the room ast the Peninsula Hotel in Golden Gun.

Forgive me. I've not seen either for ages (though both were - bizarely IHMO - the favourites of my family. Relatives, eh!>

Edited by David Schofield, 21 May 2005 - 02:22 PM.

[Loomis]

David, how come you're so certain that Owen will be Bond? I'd agree that he should be Bond - he'd be overwhelmingly the best choice for the role.... but I just don't see any grounds whatsoever to believe that he's going to be Bond.

He'd probably be the most expensive of the so-called candidates (well, apart from Jackman, possibly), and therefore the most difficult for Eon to "control". He's got an incredibly successful career that most "name" actors would kill for, with plenty of choice over what he does next. He seems determined to make films of artistic merit rather than popcorn blockbusters, and to be taken seriously as an actor. And he's also "very busy".

Where's the ray of hope, exactly?

[David Schofield]

David, how come you're so certain that Owen will be Bond? I'd agree that he should be Bond - he'd be overwhelmingly the best choice for the role.... but I just don't see any grounds whatsoever to believe that he's going to be Bond.

He'd probably be the most expensive of the so-called candidates (well, apart from Jackman, possibly), and therefore the most difficult for Eon to "control". He's got an incredibly successful career that most "name" actors would kill for, with plenty of choice over what he does next. He seems determined to make films of artistic merit rather than popcorn blockbusters, and to be taken seriously as an actor. And he's also "very busy".

Where's the ray of hope, exactly?

Nothing more than common sense. EON need an Owen-type. Owen wants and needs the role. 2 + 2 = BOND

[Loomis]

Where's the ray of hope, exactly?

Nothing more than common sense. EON need an Owen-type. Owen wants and needs the role. 2 + 2 = BOND

Well, I'd strongly disagree that Owen needs the role. I don't think he needs it at all. As for whether he wants it, I don't know, but I assume he doesn't since otherwise he'd surely have accepted the offer that I'm sure Sony/Eon made him at one point.

[David Schofield]

Offer? Have they? And if so, has he turned it down?

I suspect no, no offer made that hasn't been turned down. And yes, offer - that has been offered - has been, or will be, officially, accepted.

I am continually dismayed at CBners belief that Bond NOW cant bring in the best talent (obviously that excludes Martin Campebell - i missed the thrill of Zorro)

[tdalton]

David, how come you're so certain that Owen will be Bond? I'd agree that he should be Bond - he'd be overwhelmingly the best choice for the role.... but I just don't see any grounds whatsoever to believe that he's going to be Bond.

He'd probably be the most expensive of the so-called candidates (well, apart from Jackman, possibly), and therefore the most difficult for Eon to "control". He's got an incredibly successful career that most "name" actors would kill for, with plenty of choice over what he does next. He seems determined to make films of artistic merit rather than popcorn blockbusters, and to be taken seriously as an actor. And he's also "very busy".

Where's the ray of hope, exactly?

Clive Owen will NOT be Bond, so I'm not really sure where that ray of hope is coming from, either. He's too booked up for it, just as he has said, and he's not the type of person that EON would want to have in the role, as he clearly doesn't take it seriously and he would be a bad presence in the EON/Sony organization. I still want him for the role, but I've moved on from the idea that it's even conceivable that he will get it, and have turned my attention to hoping that Daniel Craig gets the role.

[Loomis]

[quote name='David Schofield' date='21 May 2005 - 17:38']Offer? Have they? And if so, has he turned it down?

I suspect no, no offer made that hasn't been turned down. And yes, offer - that has been offered - has been, or will be, officially,

[Seannery]

Loom, Owen will be Bond.

I'm saying nothing. I'm just waiting for Seannery to come in and have a field day over Owen's remarks.

Or would EON prefer Gruffud, Purefoy, Craig, a knackered un-loved Brozza?

Probably.

A quote, I think, from you're favourite Bond movie; "Make your choice".

Hmmm.... I don't recognise that quotation. Is it from THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN?

Well I have consistently said Owen is too hot with offers and too serious to accept Bond. His newest statement is very close to affirming that. Though I guess there is still some tiny bit of wiggle room yet. Not much but just a little.

[David Schofield]

Ok, to summarise, then, gentlemen, the reason against Owen is that he's too hot for Bond and, conversely, EON wants a guy with limited star-power and comensurate ego.

So if Owen is way, way beyond considering Bond, why does he continually mention it? Theory has it he's too big to now stoop to Bond and with a full calendar. Yet as recently as this months Cosmo he says, "Ask me, pleae".

Now I can accept a Purefoy, a MacMahon, even a Craig gettinf SOME benefit from being asscoiated with Bond rumours. But Owen?

Nah, he's too big a star to need to flirt with the Bond rumours, isn't he?

Unless, of course...

No, as you all say, he's too big a name...

Edited by David Schofield, 22 May 2005 - 03:31 PM.

[Loomis]

Ok, to summarise, then, gentlemen, the reason against Owen is that he's too hot for Bond and, conversely, EON wants a guy with limited star-power and comensurate ego.

Yep.

Now I can accept a Purefoy, a MacMahon, even a Craig gettinf SOME benefit from being asscoiated with Bond rumours. But Owen?

Nah, he's too big a star to need to flirt with the Bond rumours, isn't he?

Unless, of course...

Unless, of course, he enjoys the attention, publicity and ego-massaging.

[David Schofield]

Unless, of course, he enjoys the attention, publicity and ego-massaging.

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Loom, you're right, of course, these are exactly the symptoms of a Hollywood star with ego.

Trouble is, Owen - from all his reported attitudes toward fame, and the unwillingness to accept the movie establishment attachment to Bond - doesn't seem like that or to need it, does he.

Edited by David Schofield, 22 May 2005 - 04:08 PM.

[Loomis]

Well, here's a bit of ammunition for you, David: note that Owen says he has three films lined up, but I thought we knew only of two: Spike Lee's INSIDE MAN and CHILDREN OF MEN. Could it be that the third one is CASINO ROYALE?

Seems the SIN CITY followup is that third film:

http://www.aint-it-c...ay.cgi?id=20297

[Martin Mystery]

I don't think that's the one he's talking about. Miller is working on the script right now, but they still don't know when it's going to shoot.

MM

[tdalton]

Just thought that some of you may be interested to know that Pierce-B has returned from hiatus over at AJB and is claiming that things are "odd" at EON now and, from the looks of his posts, that he doesn't know what's going on over there, other than that we'll know who Bond is soon. Just thought I'd let everyone know if they wanted to go over and check it out.

[Bon-san]

If all he can muster after being away for months, is that things are "odd" at Eon, then his insider status is really doubtful. Even if he does indeed have access to the inside, it appears the access is at such a low level as to not be worth much.

[zencat]

[quote name='tdalton' date='23 May 2005 - 10:07']Just thought that some of you may be interested to know that Pierce-B has returned from hiatus over at AJB and is claiming that things are "odd" at EON now and, from the looks of his posts, that he doesn't know what's going on over there, other than that we'll know who Bond is soon.

[Loomis]

A new Bond "soon?"

I recently got a very small bit of insight in to where they are in the process, and as far as I can tell, they are still far away from making a decision. I'm not even sure they've started doing proper screen-tests yet.

Weird. It sounds as though not only have they not signed a new actor, or settled on one, or even narrowed the list down to a couple of candidates, but that they haven't even really started looking properly yet (or looking at all). And I find that absolutely amazing, given that it's almost June and CASINO ROYALE will start filming in January. What are they going to do, get round to interviewing actors over Christmas? Aw, heck, why rush? Do it after the New Year celebrations, I guess. Very, very odd. Aren't they worried that people will get booked up with other work if they leave it too late? Or should we take this as a big clue that Brosnan will return after all or is at least in serious negotiations?

[tdalton]

It's obvious that he's blowing smoke, so I wasn't putting much stock in what he was saying, either. I just thought that some people might be interested to know that he was back after such a long layoff.

[zencat]

Weird. It sounds as though not only have they not signed a new actor, or settled on one, or even narrowed the list down to a couple of candidates, but that they haven't even really started looking properly yet (or looking at all).

Oh, they're looking, and a lot of names have come and gone. But, yes, my feeling is they've yet to really narrow it down.

It's obvious that he's blowing smoke, so I wasn't putting much stock in what he was saying, either.  I just thought that some people might be interested to know that he was back after such a long layoff.

Thanks for that tdalton. I was curious if, after the Owen debacle, he'd ever return. The thing about Pierce-B is he tell fans what they want to hear, thus he's believed (and defended). But I do think he's a distraction.

[tdalton]

Thanks for that tdalton. I was curious if, after the Owen debacle, he'd ever return. The thing about Pierce-B is he tell fans what they want to hear, thus he's believed (and defended). But I do think he's a distraction.

I'm just curious, however, what might happen if the outside chance of Owen becoming Bond does occur. They put a lot of stock in him over there and if he somehow gets lucky and is right on this, then it's going to be hard to keep Pierce-B's lies from spreading over the internet and it will be difficult to keep those who are not fully informed as to what's going on from believing what he has to say.

Like I said, however, he's just looking for attention and I called him out on it over there. It's ridiculous that these people still follow his every word just because it's what they want to hear. What he was saying WAS what I wanted to hear, and I believed it for a while until after his self imposed deadline for Owen passed, but he no longer carries any credibility with me whatsoever.

[Bryan Harris]

So if Owen is way, way beyond considering Bond, why does he continually mention it? Theory has it he's too big to now stoop to Bond and with a full calendar. Yet as recently as this months Cosmo he says, "Ask me, please".

I don't know; is it really Owen bringing it up? I thought it was more a matter of every single unimaginative press-credentialed page-filler in the Anglophone world pestering him about it on the off chance that he'll crack and give them the scoop that he's Bond (yes, I'm leaning towards the "Owen's being facetious" explanation).

[Daltonfan]

As an example of how rumours spread, the Cosmopolitan quote has now turned up online in a story at contactmusic . Whilst it's possible that someone there was just leafing thrugh their copy of the magazine, it seems more likely that they just monitor fan sites for titbits.

Edited by Daltonfan, 23 May 2005 - 07:03 PM.

[Bon-san]

And they incorrectly referenced Warner Bros. as the studio involved!

[Agent 76]

And they incorrectly referenced Warner Bros. as the studio involved! 

Yes, I saw it too and found it strange.

[Seannery]

[quote name='zencat' date='23 May 2005 - 18:59'][quote name='tdalton' date='23 May 2005 - 10:07']Just thought that some of you may be interested to know that Pierce-B has returned from hiatus over at AJB and is claiming that things are "odd" at EON now and, from the looks of his posts, that he doesn't know what's going on over there, other than that we'll know who Bond is soon.

[zencat]

[quote name='Seannery' date='23 May 2005 - 12:44']Damn Zen this is discouraging--after all this time and they haven't gotten too far on the Bond decision yet!

[Seannery]

[quote name='zencat' date='23 May 2005 - 21:01'][quote name='Seannery' date='23 May 2005 - 12:44']Damn Zen this is discouraging--after all this time and they haven't gotten too far on the Bond decision yet!

[tdalton]

So, are we saying now that they haven't even started the screen testing process? If that's the case, then shame on EON. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't think that Martin Campbell's a good enough director to warrant them hiring him almost a year before he's free to start working on preproduction of Casino Royale. GoldenEye wasn't THAT great for them to make that committment almost a year before he's ready to begin work on an already delayed film.

[Bon-san]

I believe one reason for lining up a director so far in advance is because a director will be involved for much longer than an actor or other production personnel. An actor can complete his work in a matter of a few months, even on a Bond film. But a director's involvement, from pre-production through post-production, can be closer to a year.

Personally, it doesn't dismay me in the least that Eon is not in the final stages of casting Bond. Shooting is set to begin next year. That's more than 7 months away. I would guess they have identified some preferred candidates, and even talked to many of them. It's a matter of picking which one they ultimately want. I could do it in about 5 minutes, so 7 months is a long time!

As to the candidates being booked up because Eon has "waited too long", I think this comes down to the idea, held by Eon, that the candidates are waiting on Eon, and not vice versa. Some may disagree with that notion, but my guess is if Eon picks a guy, and he has an art film scheduled for early 2006, then shooting on the art film gets pushed back. As to those actors already booked into "bigger" films for early 2006, again, shooting on these other films could get pushed back. It happens all the time in Hollywood. And, as noted in the George Macdonald Frasier article penned by CBn's own "Jim", much of Hollywood bows before Bond. If an actor is not willing or able to juggle his schedule to take the Bond role, c'est la vie I guess.