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#121 DLibrasnow

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Posted 17 February 2005 - 03:48 PM

I loved last nights episode. The whole caper element of it. I really thought for a moment there that Sydney was going to quit and we got to see that Sydney and Nadia DO make a great team.

I thought it was a really good return to form after last weeks rather lackluster effort.

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Posted 17 February 2005 - 04:12 PM

I loved last nights episode. The whole caper element of it. I really thought for a moment there that Sydney was going to quit and we got to see that Sydney and Nadia DO make a great team.

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I quite enjoyed it as well. Some nifty dialogue, good use of humour, nice action (although they still aren't filming fights this year, nearly as well as in years past--save this season's premiere). And Sydney's digs at Sloane brought me much satisfaction.

Only lament, that Nadia had to save Syd yet again. It should be the other way around most of the time, IMO.

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Posted 17 February 2005 - 04:42 PM

I enjoyed it also. There was more authentic tension there than there has been. The girlfriend thing was a nice twist.

DLibraSnow, I was suprised you didn't mention there was yet another deadly formula McGuffin at stake. This has been a serious constant on the show this season.

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Posted 18 February 2005 - 03:29 PM

DLibraSnow, I was suprised you didn't mention there was yet another deadly formula McGuffin at stake. This has been a serious constant on the show this season.

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Yeah I know....but the whole McGuffin irritant was just an example of how bankrupt they were for ideas in that one THE EXPERTS rip-off episode they made earlier in the season.

Nice to see that Sark is going to be coming back next episode.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 04:04 AM

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It was great to see Sark return in tonights episode and also great to see the cold, hard, ruthless Sloane really come back into it. Next week's episode and the theme of revenge looks pretty sweet, and it will be cool to see the reaction of Sloane witnessing Jacks injecting whatever that was into the comatose Nadia.
I really liked tonights episode and although it was pretty predicatable - C'mon did anyone actually expect Sark to lead them to the terrorist organization - I thought it was well crafted.
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One thing I have been waiting for all these seasons is for Sydney to actually realize she met Rambaldi in Season 1. Am I the only person who caught that?

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 05:43 AM

Tonight's was a good one. :)

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 12:33 PM

I think next weeks looks like it will be another great one.

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I thought Sark and Vaughns confrontation in the prison was a particularly good scene last night
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Posted 24 February 2005 - 01:52 PM

I think that may have been the best episode of the season so far aside from the season premiere. I never saw season 1, so it was hard for me to appreciate Syd's conflict with the Anna Espinosa character aside from what was told. Although yet another secret formula was at stake. It's becoming like the old Man From UNCLE series on that front.

It was great to see Sark back. I loved his line after Vaughan announces himself as an old friend "Considering I had intimate relations with your wife it practically makes us family."

You could also kind of predict what would happen to Nadia when Jack said she was to go with Sydney only as an observer. He had something up his sleeve.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 01:54 PM

That is why Jack is the best character on the show, he is always 15 moves ahead, always.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 03:18 PM

Yeah, looks as though Sloane and Jack are going to end up as enemies though - if the shot of Jack at the end of the clips for next week are anything to go by.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 04:40 PM

Sloane was always evil, though.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 04:59 PM

Sloane was always evil, though.

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Making him always one of the best characters in the entire run IMO.

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 05:43 PM

One thing I have been waiting for all these seasons is for Sydney to actually realize she met Rambaldi in Season 1. Am I the only person who caught that?

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I didn't catch it (bloody kids and dogs and cats running through my living room at all hours, grrr.) Please explain! :)

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Posted 24 February 2005 - 09:25 PM

One thing I have been waiting for all these seasons is for Sydney to actually realize she met Rambaldi in Season 1. Am I the only person who caught that?

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I didn't catch it (bloody kids and dogs and cats running through my living room at all hours, grrr.) Please explain! :)

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In Season 1 Sydney is meeting with this old guy and he lets it slip (I forget the language used) that he is 100s of years old. Sydney questions him about it, but he brushes her questions off and then is promptly shot by (presumably) a sniper.
When I saw the scene I remember thinking - "Okay, so that's obviously Rimbaldi."
I mean the exchange clearly indicates its Rimbaldi and for the last couple of seasons I have been waiting for that scene to pay dividends.

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Posted 25 February 2005 - 01:41 AM

One thing I have been waiting for all these seasons is for Sydney to actually realize she met Rambaldi in Season 1. Am I the only person who caught that?

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I didn't catch it (bloody kids and dogs and cats running through my living room at all hours, grrr.) Please explain! :)

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In Season 1 Sydney is meeting with this old guy and he lets it slip (I forget the language used) that he is 100s of years old. Sydney questions him about it, but he brushes her questions off and then is promptly shot by (presumably) a sniper.
When I saw the scene I remember thinking - "Okay, so that's obviously Rimbaldi."
I mean the exchange clearly indicates its Rimbaldi and for the last couple of seasons I have been waiting for that scene to pay dividends.

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You mean the old clock maker/restorer she meets in Italy (forget exactly where)?

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Posted 25 February 2005 - 02:21 AM

In Season 1 Sydney is meeting with this old guy and he lets it slip (I forget the language used) that he is 100s of years old. Sydney questions him about it, but he brushes her questions off and then is promptly shot by (presumably) a sniper.
When I saw the scene I remember thinking - "Okay, so that's obviously Rimbaldi."
I mean the exchange clearly indicates its Rimbaldi and for the last couple of seasons I have been waiting for that scene to pay dividends.

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It wasn't Rambaldi. It was Giovanni Donato. He's the one that made the clock for Rambaldi. It's stated in the episode that apparently everyone wanted Donato to make a clock for them, Kings etc, but he refused. Rambaldi asked him to make one for him and promised him an unnaturally long life if he did so. The things he said were to the effect of "Rambaldi never told <me>."

I only know this because I just watched Seasons 1-3 not long ago to gear up for Season 4.

--Personal opinion about Season 4--
First off I never had a problem with Season 3. I hear people say it's horrible, etc. I thought it was great, however, I had the convienance of watching them back to back on DVD. Season 4 to me is kinda boring. I'm not really a fan of the whole keeping the same story in one episode to appease new viewers to the show, I understand why and everything, but I'd rather have the big cliffhanger endings and the long story arcs. Thats what drove me to keep watching. It looks like it's starting to pick up now, but so far I'm actually disappointed. Still good, but I kind of expected something better.

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Posted 25 February 2005 - 02:43 AM

In Season 1 Sydney is meeting with this old guy and he lets it slip (I forget the language used) that he is 100s of years old. Sydney questions him about it, but he brushes her questions off and then is promptly shot by (presumably) a sniper.
When I saw the scene I remember thinking - "Okay, so that's obviously Rimbaldi."
I mean the exchange clearly indicates its Rimbaldi and for the last couple of seasons I have been waiting for that scene to pay dividends.

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It wasn't Rambaldi. It was Giovanni Donato. He's the one that made the clock for Rambaldi. It's stated in the episode that apparently everyone wanted Donato to make a clock for them, Kings etc, but he refused. Rambaldi asked him to make one for him and promised him an unnaturally long life if he did so. The things he said were to the effect of "Rambaldi never told <me>."

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Well, if he was Rambaldi he wasn't going to say that he was, right?

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Posted 25 February 2005 - 03:21 AM

Well it appears that Rambaldi gave him an unnaturally long life then.

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Posted 25 February 2005 - 04:07 AM

Yes, he did.

I understood that Season One eppy. I thought you meant there was a reference to that in last night' eppy.

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Posted 25 February 2005 - 05:32 AM

No. But if Rambaldi had the secret to an unnatutally long life would it not make sense that he would be still alive also?

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Posted 25 February 2005 - 06:09 AM

No. But if Rambaldi had the secret to an unnatutally long life would it not make sense that he would be still alive also?

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True enough, but that wasn't him :) I'm 100% positive of it.

But this is possibly what the whole Rambaldi device thing is. Gives anyone either
1) Unnatural long life
2) Allows them to transend time, possibly a time machine - would give major credibility to how Rambaldi could prophesize so many things. Interestingly though if you make a prediction and you're right and people believe in your foresight into the future, would that still make your other predictions true? To rephrase, if I know I'm going to meet Person-A in Place-A and he's going to kill me, would I go. There was an episode in Season 1 where Sydney gets arrested because of page 47 or whatever # it was and to prove that the prediction was all BS Jack broke her out of prison and put her on a plane so she could see the mountain that Rambaldi said she would never see. Now think about this - had the line not been in his prediction Jack would have never broken her out of prison (no alternative really) and thus she would have rotted in prison and Rambaldi's prophecy would have been wrong. -- So either he accounted for it and for tons of different factions (CIA, K-directorate, SD-6, Alliance of 12, The Covenant, Sloane, etc etc) all scrambling for Rambaldi artifacts (impossible) or he -knew- it.

Of course you know I'm probably wrong and we're all in for one huge letdown. They've built this up so much it'll probably end up being a really neat music box :)

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 01:30 PM

Interestingly though if you make a prediction and you're right and people believe in your foresight into the future, would that still make your other predictions true?

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Interestingly, all the Bible Code prophecies have come true. Can anyone explain how the words 'Two Towers,' 'Plane,' 'Pentagon,' 'Destruction,' 'PLane Crash,' 'terrorists' and 'From Arabia' all appeared on the same pages.

But then if you subscribe to the Bible code prophecies then you have believe the world will end when an asteroid hits it in 2012.

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Posted 03 March 2005 - 01:37 PM

I feel so gipped by last nights episode. The expected confrontation between Jack and Sloane was kinda flat.

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 12:26 PM

Last night's episode was great with some real surprises. Who else saw it?

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I never guessed that Jack and Sloane would team up as they apparently seem to have and the bit in the warehouse where it is revealed to be Jack and not Sloane working with the bad guys was a real shocker
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I also like capers so the Paris police station stuff was good.

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 03:03 PM

Saw it. Liked it. A LOT. :)

Lots of twists and turns. Good misdirection. The season is getting better and better. :)

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 03:31 PM

I complately agree Bon-san....I wonder what those two were looking for?

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 03:46 PM

With the long wait between Seasons 3 and 4, and the vapid, stand-alone episodes at the beginning of this season, I'm out of practice as to navigating the serpentine Alias plotlines!

Must get back in the groove.

Not sure if the Vaughn/father stuff is a red herring or not. Perhaps JJ hasn't decided yet, but is leaving the door open for an Irina/Bill Vaughn link at a later time?

As to Jack and Sloane, Jack could be working with Sloane to set him up for a big fall. Or Jack could be thinking he's doing that, while Sloane is just using him for some as yet to be revealed endgame. Lots of possibilities. Juicy. Me like. :)

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Posted 10 March 2005 - 04:09 PM

Saw it. Very, very fun. :)

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Posted 11 March 2005 - 03:34 AM

I'm so pumped for next weeks episode...let's keep hoping it continues to improve.

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Posted 14 March 2005 - 01:51 PM

I finally caught up with these last night. I began working Wednesday evenings again on my other job and have to DVR the show. I liked both of the last two episodes. We're actually getting somewhere and they don't fail on getting all the best elements into each episode.

I did kinda' figure out the nurse in Vaughn's uncle's room seemed a little too helpful. Another funny thing that happens only in TV shows -- Nadia is in a coma one week, comes out of it and is fully recovered and kicking butt the next.