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[bryonalston]

I suppose that's true. They did take a gamble with making FYEO, even though that was 25 years ago. I don't think that there's any reason as to why CR won't be successful. I for one know a lot of people that will see it multiple times (I've tried to turn as many people as I can onto Bond films.) I think that us, as bona-fide fans, should try our hardest to spread the word when time comes to as many people as possible, because the last thing we need right now is an LTK on our hands, so that they can take another 4 years just to overhaul the series.

For me, this will be the first Bond film that I've ever seen in the theatres (I was supposed to go and see TWINE long before I was a Bond fan, but there was a fire in the theatre bathroom, so it was evacuated. I didn't become a fan until I saw it on home video, even though I didn't understand about 90% of what was going on since I was 10 years old at the time.)

[Qwerty]

I for one know a lot of people that will see it multiple times

Agreed. A new Bond film - certainly going to see it more than once.

[dinovelvet]

They don't want a 'successful' movie right now

Little difficult to say for absolute certainty from the fan's POV at this stage IMO.

I think bryonalston is onto something here...perhaps Michael & Babs are looking to make a 'Producers' style megaflop which will conversely earn them millions. It's easy, fire your current popular Bond, ignore all the obvious choices for the role and hire a Croatian tv actor, pick an outdated novel from 1952 to adapt, and its bombs away!

[dinovelvet]

I suppose that's true. They did take a gamble with making FYEO, even though that was 25 years ago. I don't think that there's any reason as to why CR won't be successful.

Well, with CR they are taking something of a double gamble. They're (1) Using a new, unproven actor, whoever that may be, and (2) using a non-formulaic Bond story. When was the last time they did this? That's right, OHMSS, and we all know how that worked out in terms of box office and for the actor involved. When they introduced Tim in TLD and Pierce in GE they were pretty much standard Bond plots that fit perfectly into the formula. They knew not to do anything too radical, and ease in the new actor. Casino Royale is looking like a massive commercial risk at this point, especially if they're going to cast a twenty-something, or a Croatian!

Edited by dinovelvet, 24 June 2005 - 08:27 AM.

[Seannery]

I suppose that's true. They did take a gamble with making FYEO, even though that was 25 years ago. I don't think that there's any reason as to why CR won't be successful.

Well, with CR they are taking something of a double gamble. They're (1) Using a new, unproven actor, whoever that may be, and (2) using a non-formulaic Bond story. When was the last time they did this? That's right, OHMSS, and we all know how that worked out in terms of box office and for the actor involved. When they introduced Tim in TLD and Pierce in GE they were pretty much standard Bond plots that fit perfectly into the formula. They knew not to do anything too radical, and ease in the new actor. Casino Royale is looking like a massive commercial risk at this point, especially if they're going to cast a twenty-something, or a Croatian!

Very good post! Eon has seemed to have lost its head on CR--risk a new actor(and possibly a double risk with an actor much younger than usual for Bond) and strongly tweak the Bond formula at the same time. If they end up doing this(Should I call it foolishness?) I fear CR will risk the stability of the franchise with an underperforming film.

[Seannery]

Zencat! Do you still doubt Goran a serious candidate with this Croation website news and supposedly Goran quote? Doesn't Eon hate anyone to talk at all? He is in your age range though--a range I hope ultimately ends up wrong.

[Simon]

Of a veritable sea of unintersting names (Nip/Tuck guy, anyone?), I have to say he is one of the more interesting choices.

Could be quite inspired.

At least we know he'll be able to repair himself in the field - ha ha!

[zencat]

[quote name='Seannery' date='24 June 2005 - 09:03']Zencat!

[Seannery]

[quote name='zencat' date='24 June 2005 - 17:29'][quote name='Seannery' date='24 June 2005 - 09:03']Zencat!

[dinovelvet]

It doesn't seem to be a rational move at all to say the least.  If he is indeed the favorite of Martin Campbell as some rumor then I have to rethink my enthusiasm for him as director.  As I hear more and more about the proposed direction of CR the more I have to quote George Lucas of all people, "I have a bad feeling about this."   Is the dark side winning?

I'm completely unenthused about the choice of Campbell, there's something incredibly dreary about GE that turns me off. None of the action in the film is outstanding, none of the shots or sequences stand out as particularly memorable (IMHO there's at least 1 or 2 impressive sequences in all the other 3 Brosnan pics), the plot is OK but that isn't really anything to do with Campbell.
And now given that he's supposedly excited about Goran Visjnic to play Bond, one wonders if he isn't "quite mad, you know."

[bryonalston]

I suppose that's true. They did take a gamble with making FYEO, even though that was 25 years ago. I don't think that there's any reason as to why CR won't be successful.

Well, with CR they are taking something of a double gamble. They're (1) Using a new, unproven actor, whoever that may be, and (2) using a non-formulaic Bond story. When was the last time they did this? That's right, OHMSS, and we all know how that worked out in terms of box office and for the actor involved. When they introduced Tim in TLD and Pierce in GE they were pretty much standard Bond plots that fit perfectly into the formula. They knew not to do anything too radical, and ease in the new actor. Casino Royale is looking like a massive commercial risk at this point, especially if they're going to cast a twenty-something, or a Croatian!

Very good post! Eon has seemed to have lost its head on CR--risk a new actor(and possibly a double risk with an actor much younger than usual for Bond) and strongly tweak the Bond formula at the same time. If they end up doing this(Should I call it foolishness?) I fear CR will risk the stability of the franchise with an underperforming film.

Even though they are taking a huge risk with CR, I doubt that it's going to flop. So much publicity has been going on in the news concerning the new Bond etc., so it's not like the movie won't be on people's minds in a year and a half. I think that the most important factor right now is the actor that they choose for Bond, and maybe even the actress they choose for the Bond girl (look at the publicity that Halle Berry brought to DAD) I think that Jennifer Connelly or Hilary Swank (both Oscar winners) would be good choices. Also, since 2006 is going to be the year of other spy/action adventure films like M:I3, Indiana Jones, (Bourne Ultimatum??,) CR will be hot on the minds of many people. They need a bankable star right now who is on the verge of being a household name, but not quite (like Pierce Brosnan was) and not an actor who might be perfect for the role on paper, but isn't enough of a star to carry the movie (Timothy Dalton.) I'd personally pick Clive Owen, but I guess we'll see in the next few months.

Edited by bryonalston, 24 June 2005 - 11:55 PM.

[bryonalston]

If Goran Visjnic is chosen as James Bond, who do you think should play the younger version of him (assuming that the movie takes place in the present, but has a small segment, possibly the PTS, that takes place in the past, when Bond is first starting out)? I for one think that Orlando Bloom should play the young version of Bond (if Visjnic is indeed picked,) because the two share a mild resemblance to eachother.

[Bondian]

If Goran Visjnic is chosen as James Bond, who do you think should play the younger version of him (assuming that the movie takes place in the present, but has a small segment, possibly the PTS, that takes place in the past, when Bond is first starting out)? I for one think that Orlando Bloom should play the young version of Bond (if Visjnic is indeed picked,) because the two share a mild resemblance to eachother.

How about Pierce Brosnan.

Na. I think it's highly unlikely Goran would be considered, bryonalston.

However, this would be a great experiment. We have a book title ( something we haven't had for a while ), maybe a 'young' Bond, no 'Q', and as far as we know, this will be partly based on the original novel.

Goron to me has that dangerous and classical hansom look about him. He uses his eyes to great effect ( another thing that Moore had ), and I think would appeal to audiences young and old.

If we're going to see a kind of 're-boot', let's have a Bond who'll be alien to us. A kind of unique smelling after-shave ( thanks Rog ) that you've smelt before but lingers in the back of your mind ...and believe me, he WILL be Bond. That Bond whom we have yet to see on the big screen.

Go-ron, make my day.

[Rogue Agent]

"After last week

[Rogue Agent]

Interesting how it seems being screentested for Bond is not a secret these days. Both Julian McMahon and Goran Visnjic have said they've been screentested or being seriously considered. Both have been very open about it. Seems the candidates can speak out freely but Eon and Sony remain quiet. Strange arrangement.

[Rogue Agent]

May I add this post? Don't want to provoke a fiece debate or anything as I'm new here, but why has Eon done this?

Seriously, why has Eon considered a foreign actor like Visnjic?

This isn't an attack against Mr Visnjic or my questioning his acting ability, but why has Eon betrayed the basic rules of Bond casting - and one of them is to only consider British or Commonwealth actors. I remember an MG Wilson interview and he was quite clear - Bond has to be played by a British or Commonwealth actor. So why has Visnjic even been auditioned? Does anyone find this wrong? I sure do.

This seems a major moment in the franchise - a Croatain actor screentested for Bond. We're seeing the Bond rule book being thrown away here. I think this is very signficant. If Eon can consider a Croatian then they can consider any other actor in the world. Where does it end?

Sorry to come over like this, but Eon seems to have betrayed the whole notion of casting Bond with Visnjic admitting he was screentested. Doesn't Campbell care about Bond being British or at least speaking with a native English accent? Apparently not.

We're on the road to Bond disaster with Casino Royale. Seriously, I find this news very alarming. I think this could be the end for the franchise. I think it's that bad.

Anyone else care to agree or disagree?

[dinovelvet]

Sorry to come over like this, but Eon seems to have betrayed the whole notion of casting Bond with Visnjic admitting he was screentested.  Doesn't Campbell care about Bond being British or at least speaking with a native English accent? Apparently not.

We're on the road to Bond disaster with Casino Royale. Seriously, I find this news very alarming. I think this could be the end for the franchise. I think it's that bad.

Anyone else care to agree or disagree?

You're not the only one, I'd gladly accept any other bottom-of-the-barrel candidate like Heath Ledger over Visjnic. The guy can barely string a sentence together in coherent English, and he's being considered to play the greatest British pop culture icon of the last 50 years? The mind boggles. Hopefully this is just yet more rumor-mongering put forward by his agent or publicist. An actor being associated with Bond gets buzz going, whether its true or not.

Edited by dinovelvet, 01 July 2005 - 11:00 PM.

[Bon-san]

Hopefully this is just yet more rumor-mongering put forward by his agent or publicist.

I really can't imagine it's anything but this.

Unless he was testing for a role other than 007. A villain perhaps?

[bryonalston]

I think that it's more likely that he was screen-tested for a VILLAIN role, or perhaps the role of Bond's ally, Rene Mathis. Remember, the movie takes place in South Africa, where the citizens have really thick accents (like Krug in DAD.) Visjnic's accent would be acceptable if he were to play some other character in CR. It would only have to be altered slightly to sound South African.

[dinovelvet]

I think that it's more likely that he was screen-tested for a VILLAIN role, or perhaps the role of Bond's ally, Rene Mathis. Remember, the movie takes place in South Africa, where the citizens have really thick accents (like Krug in DAD.) Visjnic's accent would be acceptable if he were to play some other character in CR. It would only have to be altered slightly to sound South African.

Yeah he could play Mathis I guess. Or presumably there will be a few new characters added, or expanded, like one of the Bulgarian assassins, Le Chiffre's henchman, etc. Anyone except Bond.

[Rogue Agent]

He auditioned for Bond. Two Croatian websites stated it was a Bond audition.

Besides, why would Visnjic lie and say he was auditioned for Bond when he was auditioning for a villain role? I doubt he would lie for the sake of it. It must be genuine.

[Pussycat]

He auditioned for Bond. Two Croatian websites stated it was a Bond audition.

Besides, why would Visnjic lie and say he was auditioned for Bond when he was auditioning for a villain role? I doubt he would lie for the sake of it. It must be genuine.

As for sites getting things wrong....we could show a huge list of postings regarding candidates being screentested for Bond or "in talks" who later admit it was complete rubbish and they don't know how the rumor got started.

Why would he lie? It's part and parcel of the PR machine and the work of agents, managers, tabloids, etc.

If Campbell likes him for Bond, I'm worried about the Bond franchise for the first time in 40 years. If he auditioned, it had to be for another part and his people are taking advantage of the free PR.

[dinovelvet]

He auditioned for Bond. Two Croatian websites stated it was a Bond audition.

Besides, why would Visnjic lie and say he was auditioned for Bond when he was auditioning for a villain role? I doubt he would lie for the sake of it. It must be genuine.

Well, that right there is the problem. Two CROATIAN websites stated it. How come only Croatian websites were able to get this hush-hush information and no US or UK news/entertainment sites picked this up? Every time a new Bond candidate is rumored, it usually hits places like E online, imdb, etc. Thus far I haven't seen Visjnic mentioned anywhere except on hardcore Bond fansites.
As for 'why would Visnjic lie', that's assuming he actually made those comments. More like his agent, publicist, or an imaginative Croatian journalist did so.
Can we imagine for one second the reaction amongst the general public if he was cast? It would be a mix of outrage and laughter. The British media in particular would go ape, and CR would be saddled with bad buzz before a single frame had been shot. I've seen some awful candidates put forward over the last year or so, but this one is the worst of the bunch yet.

[Qwerty]

Original Article: http://www.24sata.hr...iew/5675/?ref=1
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The world Back to top #205 Rogue Agent Rogue Agent Discharged Discharged 136 posts Posted 03 July 2005 - 02:06 PM Mr Qwerty, I'd already pasted that on this thread (Post #204). Still, it makes for just as depressing reading a second time. Edited by Rogue Agent, 03 July 2005 - 02:08 PM. Back to top #206 bryonalston bryonalston Lt. Commander Veterans 1253 posts Location:San Francisco, CA Posted 03 July 2005 - 03:25 PM I think that you could at least give Visjnic a chance. After, it wasn't confirmed that HE actually said these statements, so until he does (or confirms that it was all rumours) you should just cut him a little bit of slack. Back to top #207 Seannery Seannery Commander Veterans 3440 posts Posted 03 July 2005 - 03:53 PM I think that you could at least give Visjnic a chance. After, it wasn't confirmed that HE actually said these statements, so until he does (or confirms that it was all rumours) you should just cut him a little bit of slack. I won't give Goran a chance NOT because of these statements which aren't important in the long run BUT because he's not well cast for Bond at all and his acting is blah and lacks the spark and dash that is absolutely needed for Bond. Back to top #208 H.M.Servant H.M.Servant Sub-Lieutenant Crew 489 posts Posted 03 July 2005 - 04:27 PM I think that you could at least give Visjnic a chance. After, it wasn't confirmed that HE actually said these statements, so until he does (or confirms that it was all rumours) you should just cut him a little bit of slack. I won't give Goran a chance NOT because of these statements which aren't important in the long run BUT because he's not well cast for Bond at all and his acting is blah and lacks the spark and dash that is absolutely needed for Bond. Here here. I agree with you there Seannery. I won't give him a chance either. But I'm not worried that it would ever come that far. I don't think that he will be the next James Bond. Pure and simple. Well then again...oscar wilde said; the truth rarely pure and never simple... Back to top #209 tdalton tdalton Commander Veterans 11680 posts Posted 03 July 2005 - 04:31 PM That article above sounds like it relies too heavily upon things that the local news media heard from an acquaintance of Goran's, so I will choose not to believe it. Without even the hint of a reliable source, it holds no weight with me. I agree with all above, however, that if they go with Goran, then it will be hard to give the man a chance as Bond. I'm sure he's a nice guy and everything, but he would be terribly miscast as Bond, and I would feel sorry for him because the real Bond purists are not going to be happy. Just remember, Daniel Craig said he thought that HE was too RADICAL for the part. And he's BRITISH! Back to top #210 Qwerty Qwerty Commander RNVR Commanding Officers 85605 posts Location:New York / Pennsylvania Posted 03 July 2005 - 04:48 PM Mr Qwerty, I'd already pasted that on this thread (Post #204).   Still,  it makes for just as depressing reading a second time.  I know - I was collecting all the links for this story in one post. Plus now it is in CBn QuickNews. Back to top « Prev Page 7 of 18 5 6 7 8 9 Next » Back to Casino Royale (2006) Reply to quoted posts     Clear

[Rogue Agent]

Mr Qwerty, I'd already pasted that on this thread (Post #204). Still, it makes for just as depressing reading a second time.

Edited by Rogue Agent, 03 July 2005 - 02:08 PM.

[bryonalston]

I think that you could at least give Visjnic a chance. After, it wasn't confirmed that HE actually said these statements, so until he does (or confirms that it was all rumours) you should just cut him a little bit of slack.

[Seannery]

I think that you could at least give Visjnic a chance. After, it wasn't confirmed that HE actually said these statements, so until he does (or confirms that it was all rumours) you should just cut him a little bit of slack.

I won't give Goran a chance NOT because of these statements which aren't important in the long run BUT because he's not well cast for Bond at all and his acting is blah and lacks the spark and dash that is absolutely needed for Bond.

[H.M.Servant]

I think that you could at least give Visjnic a chance. After, it wasn't confirmed that HE actually said these statements, so until he does (or confirms that it was all rumours) you should just cut him a little bit of slack.

I won't give Goran a chance NOT because of these statements which aren't important in the long run BUT because he's not well cast for Bond at all and his acting is blah and lacks the spark and dash that is absolutely needed for Bond.

Here here. I agree with you there Seannery. I won't give him a chance either.

But I'm not worried that it would ever come that far. I don't think that he will be the next James Bond. Pure and simple.

Well then again...oscar wilde said; the truth rarely pure and never simple...

[tdalton]

That article above sounds like it relies too heavily upon things that the local news media heard from an acquaintance of Goran's, so I will choose not to believe it. Without even the hint of a reliable source, it holds no weight with me.

I agree with all above, however, that if they go with Goran, then it will be hard to give the man a chance as Bond. I'm sure he's a nice guy and everything, but he would be terribly miscast as Bond, and I would feel sorry for him because the real Bond purists are not going to be happy.

Just remember, Daniel Craig said he thought that HE was too RADICAL for the part. And he's BRITISH!

[Qwerty]

Mr Qwerty, I'd already pasted that on this thread (Post #204).   Still,  it makes for just as depressing reading a second time. 

I know - I was collecting all the links for this story in one post. Plus now it is in CBn QuickNews.