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#331 tdalton

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 07:58 PM

That's funny I saw him in Elecktra and was not impressed at all.

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The main thing that I was looking for in that film was to see if he had a strong accent that could keep him from making a believable James Bond, and I didn't really hear much of an accent in that film, so in that way, he impressed me. The film was bad, so it's not like he had much to work with as an actor in that mess, anyway. :)

The only thing now that he would need to do to convince me and a lot of others that he could be James Bond would be to do a good British accent. If he can do that, then I wouldn't have much of a problem with him as James Bond.

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 08:18 PM

Sarcasm
Sarcasm
Everyone knows James Bond is an English old Etonian and Royal Navy Officer. How can he be played by a :

1) Scottish ex-coffin polisher who 'looks like a gypsy!'
2) An Aussie secondhand car salesman in a kilt
3) A camp ex TV star from Bow
4) A welsh man
5) An Irish man

come on, actors act and create charactors - even Croatian actors :)

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Just remember that Scot Sean Connery has played (among other roles) a Russian submarine captain, an Irish cop, a Pennsylvannia miner and an Egyptian.

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 08:23 PM

He also has his hi-fi on too loud as well. :)

Just remember that Scot Sean Connery has played (among other roles) a Russian submarine captain, an Irish cop, a Pennsylvannia miner and an Egyptian.

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 08:23 PM

I wonder about his name on the marquee

Goran Visnjic IS James Bond

in

Ian Fleming's

CASINO ROYALE

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I must say my only concern with him is THAT NAME, it's going to be a hard sell for the publicity people for sure.

But having watched everything I can find with Visnjic in, I really do think they have found an actor with the CLASS to replace Pierce Brosnan and carry on the legacy of the previous five Bond Stars. I would even rate him ahead of Owen and Jackman (IMO the only other completely credible candidates to have come up)

So yes THAT NAME is going to be a tough one, but given the poor quality of virtually all the candidates mentioned so far, it really is a minor quibble.

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 08:26 PM

So yes THAT NAME is going to be a tough one, but given the poor quality of virtually all the candidates mentioned so far, it really is a minor quibble.

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How about he changes it to Gary Vinton?. :)

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 08:34 PM

But the good thing about Goran's name is that it stands out quite a bit. His name isn't some common-sounding name like Clive Owen or Ewan Stewart. Definitely distinctive enough to generate some buzz.

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 08:34 PM

Sarcasm
Sarcasm
Everyone knows James Bond is an English old Etonian and Royal Navy Officer. How can he be played by a :

1) Scottish ex-coffin polisher who 'looks like a gypsy!'
2) An Aussie secondhand car salesman in a kilt
3) A camp ex TV star from Bow
4) A welsh man
5) An Irish man

come on, actors act and create charactors - even Croatian actors :)

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Just remember that Scot Sean Connery has played (among other roles) a Russian submarine captain, an Irish cop, a Pennsylvannia miner and an Egyptian.

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.......and a Russian submarine captain with a Scottish accent at that :)

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 08:38 PM

Exactly. Accents aren't exactly Connery's strong suit, but no one complains of that. Visnjic might be. You should just wait and see if/when he's cast as 007.

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 08:41 PM

So yes THAT NAME is going to be a tough one, but given the poor quality of virtually all the candidates mentioned so far, it really is a minor quibble.

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How about he changes it to Gary Vinton?. :)

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COOL :) :) :) :)

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 09:06 PM

COOL  :) :)  :)  :)

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Or how about Glenn Vickers?. :)

#341 fatima

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 10:03 PM

[quote name='Bondian' date='27 July 2005 - 21:06'][quote name='fatima' date='27 July 2005 - 21:41']COOL

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 10:23 PM

I wonder about his name on the marquee

Goran Visnjic IS James Bond

in

Ian Fleming's

CASINO ROYALE

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I must say my only concern with him is THAT NAME, it's going to be a hard sell for the publicity people for sure.

But having watched everything I can find with Visnjic in, I really do think they have found an actor with the CLASS to replace Pierce Brosnan and carry on the legacy of the previous five Bond Stars. I would even rate him ahead of Owen and Jackman (IMO the only other completely credible candidates to have come up)

So yes THAT NAME is going to be a tough one, but given the poor quality of virtually all the candidates mentioned so far, it really is a minor quibble.

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I actually think the name is kind of classy in a weird sort of way.

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 10:23 PM

Nothing against Goran but come on...if the limits are off with regard to the actor being british or of the commonwealth then open it up for anyone, even an american for the role!

If the limits are off I am sure that there are MANY actors who would be better then Goran. George Cloony is far more Bondish then Goran as are a host of actors from all over the world.

I still say keep Bond British or he ceases to be hwo he is and for gods sake hire Owen, Jackman or Butler!

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 10:34 PM

Regarding Mr. Visnjic's accent... In WELCOME TO SARAJEVO Mr. Visnjic of course had the perfect native accent. In PRACTICAL MAGIC he played a Bulgarian 'cowboy,' and his Croatian accent was deemed suitably 'foreign' (according to the film's director) to satisfy the character. In ER Mr. Visnjic has played a Croatian whose accent has naturally decreased over the 10 or so years the doctor is supposed to have been living in America. But quite a few of his fans have observed (and some to their dismay) that he spoke without a Croatian accent in SPARTACUS but instead used unaccented Standard-American. The same can be said for ELEKTRA. All of this points to the fact that Mr. Visnjic is capable of speaking as needed for a movie role. There was a time when he could not shed his Croatian accent, but he has worked diligently with a dialect coach since coming to America. It will be interesting, if he is given the lead in CASINO ROYALE, to see if he performs as the James Bond, or as a Croatian recruited to replace Mr. Bond in Her Majesty's Secret Service, but I would not put it past him to be able to deliver a credible English accent.

Regarding Mr. Visnjic's skills and talents. In an early interview Mr. Visnjic said that since he was a kid, he'd admired James Bond. I believe that his admiration of that character affected his personal choices (racing, etc.) He is also quite a pool hustler, winning the $20,000 top prize (for the charity of his choice) while playing against 3 other celebrity players in The Game Show Network's new series, BALLBREAKERS that aired on July 25, 2005. You can see in film clips of that game: how Mr. Visnjic held back evidence of his ability, until the final round and then moved up from last place to win the day. As you watch, take note how he is a careful observer of his opponents, a gallant gentleman, and has a great 'poker' face, no, that's not what I mean. I mean, he can seem self-effacing, until it is time to go in for the kill.

In any case, if you'd like to see film clips of that charity game and how Mr. Visnjic hustled everyone, go to http://www.shoothemo...ofond/home.html
You will have to register first. That can be done from any of the photo or screencap galleries, then just minus that gallery's window. Return to the home page and click on Videos and you'll be taken to the video gallery. There are plenty of non-ER videos there for you to hear the Americanization of Mr. Visnjic's English. Enjoy!

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 10:36 PM

I haven't seen anything that Butler has been in that just screams "BOND" to me, and if he is cast as Bond, I don't feel that he'll bring anything original to the role that hasn't already been brought by Connery, Moore, Dalton or Brosnan. With Visnjic, we'll possibly get a new performance instead of a mere rehash or meshing of ones from other actors (i.e., Brosnan) What we need now is a NEW BOND, NOT A NEW ACTOR.

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Any basis for these assertions aside from your all-out campaign for Visnjic?

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 10:54 PM

Regarding Mr. Visnjic's accent... In WELCOME TO SARAJEVO Mr. Visnjic of course had the perfect native accent. In PRACTICAL MAGIC he played a Bulgarian 'cowboy,' and his Croatian accent was deemed suitably 'foreign' (according to the film's director) to satisfy the character. In ER Mr. Visnjic has played a Croatian whose accent has naturally decreased over the 10 or so years the doctor is supposed to have been living in America. But quite a few of his fans have observed (and some to their dismay) that he spoke without a Croatian accent in SPARTACUS and that he spoke using unaccented Standard-American. The same can be said for ELEKTRA. All of this points to the fact that Mr. Visnjic is capable of speaking as needed for a movie role. There was a time when he could not shed his Croatian accent, but he has worked diligently with a dialect coach since coming to America. It will be interesting, if he is given the lead in CASINO ROYALE, to see if he performs as the James Bond, or as a Croatian recruited to replace Mr. Bond in Her Majesty's Secret Service.

Regarding Mr. Visnjic's skills and talents.  In an early interview Mr. Visnjic said that since he was a kid, he'd admired James Bond. I believe that his admiration of that character affected his personal choices (racing, etc.)  He is also quite a pool hustler, winning the $20,000 top prize (for the charity of his choice) while playing against 3 other celebrity players in The Game Show Network's new series, BALLBREAKERS that aired on July 25, 2005.  You can see film clips of that game: how Mr. Visnjic held back evidence of his ability, until the final round and then moved up from last place to win the day.  As you watch, take note how he is a careful observer of his opponents, a gallant gentleman, and has a great 'poker' face, no, that's not what I mean.  I mean, he can seem self-effacing, until it is time to go in for the kill.

In any case, if you'd like to see film clips of that charity game and how Mr. Visnjic hustled everyone, go to http://www.shoothemo...ofond/home.html
You will have to register first.  That can be done from any of the photo or screencap galleries, then just minus that gallery's window.  Return to the home page and click on Videos and you'll be taken to the video gallery.  There are plenty of non-ER videos there for you to get hear the Americanization of Mr. Visnjic's accent.  Enjoy!

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Great Post! Welcome to CBn BTW :)

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 11:13 PM

Isn't there something that people are overlooking regarding Visnjic? Even assuming that EON loves him, it's still unlikely that he'll get the role of Bond because of two letters; ER. He is still under contract to his TV show for awhile, unless I'm mistaken, and wasn't that supposed to be the sticking point that cost Brosnan Bond back in 1986? They even work for the same network, NBC. With Noah Wilie leaving ER, doesn't that make it's producers more likely to lean on Visnjic as a main character? I doubt they'd step aside and give away one of their remaining lead actors, especially when he might be taking on the high profile Bond role, and I doubt that EON will want to share him with an American TV show either, if the past is taken into consideration. They wouldn't share Brosnan, so why would they do so with Visnjic?

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 11:22 PM

Isn't there something that people are overlooking regarding Visnjic?  Even assuming that EON loves him, it's still unlikely that he'll get the role of Bond because of two letters;  ER.  He is still under contract to his TV show for awhile, unless I'm mistaken, and wasn't that supposed to be the sticking point that cost Brosnan Bond back in 1986?  They even work for the same network, NBC.  With Noah Wilie leaving ER, doesn't that make it's producers more likely to lean on Visnjic as a main character?  I doubt they'd step aside and give away one of their remaining lead actors, especially when he might be taking on the high profile Bond role, and I doubt that EON will want to share him with an American TV show either, if the past is taken into consideration.  They wouldn't share Brosnan, so why would they do so with Visnjic?

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George Clooney, the star of the show in the 90's, was allowed to take time off of the show in the 90's to work in his film schedule. Pierce wasn't allowed to break his Remington Steele contract in 1986 because RS was a failing show and needed Brosnan back for the rehashed version of it. ER is a show that is still at the top of the ratings. Shooting Elektra wasn't a problem, and Visnjic has shot several foreign language pictures over the past few years. ER would be stupid to not grant Visnjic the Bond role, since it will bring a lot of publicity to the show.

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 11:28 PM

ER would be stupid to not grant Visnjic the Bond role, since it will bring a lot of publicity to the show.

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NBC stands to gain a lot of free publicity and possible new viewers to ER if they let Goran have some time off to film Casino Royale if he is picked by EON for the role, so I wouldn't expect that to be a problem.

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 11:39 PM

ER would be stupid to not grant Visnjic the Bond role, since it will bring a lot of publicity to the show.

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NBC stands to gain a lot of free publicity and possible new viewers to ER if they let Goran have some time off to film Casino Royale if he is picked by EON for the role, so I wouldn't expect that to be a problem.

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You're right. NBC doesn't have a big show anymore like all of the other channels (Desperate Housewives on ABC/ American Idol on Fox/ CSI on CBS etc.) If the new James Bond actor is cast on an already popular, yet past it's prime TV show, it will draw in millions of more viewers. For example, 'The Apprentice' drew in good ratings because of the free publicity surrounding Omarosa last year. Over two million people stopped watching the show after she was fired. NBC has yet to bring in those kinds of ratings. ER is the perfect show for them to breathe fresh air into, and Visnjic will be their perfect star to let fly the coop and bring back millions of fans.

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 11:45 PM

Goran Visnjic's ER contract does not present a problem, MarJil. Mr. Visnjic told Story Magazine (article by Sandra Njavro, dated December 1, 2004),

"ER helped me very much in my career. A lot of American actors dream of such a job, but it has also made me pass on some movies. In the future I definitely want to make more movies, so I'm currently negotiating with the ER producers. They are willing to cooperate; they are offering me good conditions, so I have decided to stay in the show for a while, though I don't know for how long exactly."

That contract was signed in late December 2004.

Based on the above, Mr. Visnjic should have no trouble having the time to film CASINO ROYALE. It will not be the first time he's taken time off to do movies. The two films that come immediately to mind were his award-winning, DUGA MRACNA NOC (2004), well as the romantic adventure film, POSLJEDNJA VOLJA (2001).

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Posted 27 July 2005 - 11:52 PM

That's a relief to know lion-storm. NBC has gotten a lot wiser since 1986. Have no fear people, our James Bond is here...in Visnjic.

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 12:43 AM

That's a relief to know lion-storm. NBC has gotten a lot wiser since 1986. Have no fear people, our James Bond is here...in  Visnjic.

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Well, NBC didn't really have a choice with Brosnan back in the 80s because his presence at the studio full time was necessary to try to revive the Remington Steele series, whereas ER can survive if Goran Visnjic is absent from an episode or two because it is more of an ensemble piece than Remington Steele was.

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 03:51 AM

Whether NBC and ER would want to share him is not the question. Of course it would be good PR for them to have the new Bond on their show and their network. The only reason that Remington Steele was brought back into production in 1986 was because Pierce was going to do Bond, and NBC wanted to exploit that. The question is whether EON would hire a guy to play Bond who is already doing a network show, that people can watch for nothing. They didn't hire Pierce because of that, so why would they hire someone less suitable with the same problem?

I just think that far too many people are making too much out of this "final four" report and are jumping to conclusions that make no sense. Specifically, the conclusion that because of who his competition supposedly is, that Visnjic will be the next Bond.

Let's use logic here. First, about the list, does this "final four" make sense when the ages are all over the place, and one (Stewart, of course) is clearly not a real candidate? Even if the other 3 are correct, then there is one person who is not being named, and I would bet that this is because it is someone who actually does make sense as Bond, and EON (assuming they are behind the "leaks") is simply holding back the name because it would be obvious that they are going that direction. And this does not even factor in that this list came from a tabloid newspaper and is only being taken seriously at all because of the inclusion of Cahill, who CBn heard was highly regarded. Also, no one knows how good O'Lachlan or Cahill could be, because nobody has seen them in anything to speak of, so maybe they are better than anyone gives them credit for. And again, this is assuming that some of the report is correct (I think we can safely say that Stewart is incorrect).

The other thing that is being ignored is the nature of EON itself. They have been a pretty conservative company for about 30 years, with very few exceptions, or ever since Roger Moore became Bond. Really, the only risks they have taken were with FYEO and LTK, going back to the basics with the first and breaking with the Bond formula for the latter. Two times they chose Brosnan to be their Bond (1986 and 1994), which is the very definition of a conservative choice that would be easy to sell to the public. Do you really think that they will break so radically from their comfort zone to cast a Mediterranean/eastern European to play the British action icon? No matter how good he might be, everyone would know that he's not British just by his name. EON will not take the chance that he won't be accepted as a British agent. They are not going to risk the franchise on it.


Of course, I could be wrong. I just don't see it in this case.

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 04:02 AM

I agree completely, Marjil. Couldn't have said it better myself. I doubt any of the "final four" will end up being cast as Bond.

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 04:05 AM

Whether NBC and ER would want to share him is not the question.  Of course it would be good PR for them to have the new Bond on their show and their network.  The only reason that Remington Steele was brought back into production in 1986 was because Pierce was going to do Bond, and NBC wanted to exploit that.  The question is whether EON would hire a guy to play Bond who is already doing a network show, that people can watch for nothing.  They didn't hire Pierce because of that, so why would they hire someone less suitable with the same problem? 

I just think that far too many people are making too much out of this "final four" report and are jumping to conclusions that make no sense.  Specifically, the conclusion that because of who his competition supposedly is, that Visnjic will be the next Bond.

Let's use logic here.  First, about the list, does this "final four" make sense when the ages are all over the place, and one (Stewart, of course) is clearly not a real candidate?  Even if the other 3 are correct, then there is one person who is not being named, and I would bet that this is because it is someone who actually does make sense as Bond, and EON (assuming they are behind the "leaks") is simply holding back the name because it would be obvious that they are going that direction.  And this does not even factor in that this list came from a tabloid newspaper and is only being taken seriously at all because of the inclusion of Cahill, who CBn heard was highly regarded.  Also, no one knows how good O'Lachlan or Cahill could be, because nobody has seen them in anything to speak of, so maybe they are better than anyone gives them credit for.  And again, this is assuming that some of the report is correct (I think we can safely say that Stewart is incorrect).

The other thing that is being ignored is the nature of EON itself.  They have been a pretty conservative company for about 30 years, with very few exceptions, or ever since Roger Moore became Bond.  Really, the only risks they have taken were with FYEO and LTK, going back to the basics with the first and breaking with the Bond formula for the latter.  Two times they chose Brosnan to be their Bond (1986 and 1994), which is the very definition of a conservative choice that would be easy to sell to the public.  Do you really think that they will break so radically from their comfort zone to cast a Mediterranean/eastern European to play the British action icon?  No matter how good he might be, everyone would know that he's not British just by his name.  EON will not take the chance that he won't be accepted as a British agent.  They are not going to risk the franchise on it.


Of course, I could be wrong.  I just don't see it in this case.

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Good post. :)

You make some good points here about this "final four" probably having little to no validity to it, and perhaps there is one candidate being held back because that person is probably going to be the next James Bond.

However, I do think that Visnjic has as decent a chance as everyone else we've mentioned to become the next James Bond. If he can prove that he can do a decent British accent, then I would have no problem if he were cast, even though he would not be my first, second, third, or even fourth choice for the role. EON must have seen something in him that they like for him to have made it this far along the line, whether or not the "final four" is true.

My theory behind this is EON is leaking out names that are very, very radical in terms of how they would be received as James Bond so that someone like Daniel Craig would be seen as a more conservative choice. I'm not saying that it would be Daniel Craig, but someone like him that would be somewhat of a departure from what we're accustomed to, which is actors that are similar in style to Sean Connery and, to a lesser extent, Pierce Brosnan. I don't think that someone like Daniel Craig would be similar to either of those actors in terms of his style of playing Bond if he were to receive the role, so perhaps EON is keeping that person's name under wraps so that when he is announced, people will see him as being a better choice than these so-called "final four".

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 04:36 AM

I thought about this last year... What do you people think of Goran Visnjic (Luka Kovac in TV's ER) as a possible Bond? He is not British, but he could fit the mold. What are your thoughts??

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...With all due respect, it is ludicrous for the producers to consider hiring a Croation actor to play a British spy. Not one actor will do in all of England? They need to hire a Croat or (another) Aussie?

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 04:41 AM

Why expect magic for the next one?

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I think that people expect "magic" from CR because it is really the first time since Moonraker that there has been an entire Ian Fleming novel (not short story) to adapt into a feature film. Since there is already a great deal of groundwork already laid out for the producers and the screenwriters to work from, there shouldn't be as great of a chance for them to make a bad movie, since the material in the CR is top notch and it would take a great deal of work on the part of the screenwriters and the producers to turn that material into a subpar film. While the CR film may not live up to the lofty expectations that the novel set out for it, I still think that it will be an above average Bond film, provided they find the right guy to play James Bond.

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 05:22 AM

Why expect magic for the next one?

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I think that people expect "magic" from CR because it is really the first time since Moonraker that there has been an entire Ian Fleming novel (not short story) to adapt into a feature film. .

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...Will Fleming's storyline really make any difference? Fleming by himself has never been terribly amusing. We had grafts from LALD in LTK, but that did little to make that picture entertaining.

The Bond character needs to be given the opportunity to be amusing and outrageous, and not merely in the context of some action sequence. You need a full bodied definition of the Bond character, and that means Fleming + Terence Young. Not the recent PC Bond who is put into therapy by his woman 2/3 through a storyline, or who waits for his leading lady to deliver the bon mot at the closer. They may have a short list of talented would-bes. But if they define the character as they did in the last few, Bond will remain a glass half full, and all of the Fleming business in the world won't save the day.

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Posted 28 July 2005 - 05:57 AM

However, I do think that Visnjic has as decent a chance as everyone else we've mentioned to become the next James Bond.  If he can prove that he can do a decent British accent, then I would have no problem if he were cast, even though he would not be my first, second, third, or even fourth choice for the role.  EON must have seen something in him that they like for him to have made it this far along the line, whether or not the "final four" is true.

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I don't know enough about Visnjic to say that he would or wouldn't be a good Bond type actor, so I'm not going to be critical of him. He would probably be fine; he does look the part, or at least he is close (tall, dark, handsome). I just can't believe that EON would suddenly go for such a radical change, and let's be honest, casting a Croat (even if he's perfect) would be radical. They may like him a lot, but I find it hard to believe they would actually pull the trigger on him as Bond.

My theory behind this is EON is leaking out names that are very, very radical in terms of how they would be received as James Bond so that someone like Daniel Craig would be seen as a more conservative choice.  I'm not saying that it would be Daniel Craig, but someone like him that would be somewhat of a departure from what we're accustomed to, which is actors that are similar in style to Sean Connery and, to a lesser extent, Pierce Brosnan.  I don't think that someone like Daniel Craig would be similar to either of those actors in terms of his style of playing Bond if he were to receive the role, so perhaps EON is keeping that person's name under wraps so that when he is announced, people will see him as being a better choice than these so-called "final four".

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Exactly what I think. There are 3 possibilities regarding this "final four." One is that it's a fabrication by a tabloid. Second is that it's completely legit. The third is that it's partially legit. If it's the third option, then it is most probably a leak from EON, and to me the reasons for a leak are either as a trial balloon (to see if any of these guys draw enthusiast responses from fans) or it is to prepare the way for a different and more suitable candidate, by giving the fans a scare and then unifying them by naming a Bond that makes sense (the one they've wanted to name all along). Judge for yourselves which option is the most logical.