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[Cabainus]

I have to agree.

Some of the dialogue written in the last two Bond films, sounds like it has come straight out of a second-rate soap opera

[mkkbb]

I don't think they wrote all of the screenplay for Johnny English, there was another writer, whose name I can't remember, that probably wrote some of the funny lines, as well as Atkinson writing some.

I thought it was fairly dull, some very funny scenes, but thought that they could have made use of some of the situations they were in in the adverts, like the Turkish rug scene. Would have liked to see him go abroad more. The only trouble with the gags is you could see them coming from a mile off.

[mkkbb]

I definately like it. Not really along the Bond theme, was too pop like and possibly Eurovisiony, but his voice is definately worth having for a Bond song.

[Simon]

Originally posted by Xenobia
I think a head full of Bond trivia would make you a better writer because you have a sense of history for the man, and for the film legacy.   I think that can only help the writers.

-- Xenobia

Would that not lead us into the same areas of concern that Raymond Benson demonstrated? I am referring to the focussing and relying on the past as opposed to concentrating on the future etc.

[rafterman]

I like P&W.....and if we get a self confessed fan, we could easily end up with something akin to Star Trek Nemesis...if that's what a fan does, then lets not hire one...

[flares]

I also saw Johnny English last night - thought it was great fun. P & W are unfunny writers. The Film however was made funny by the Direction and Rowan Atkinson and Ben Miller performances. (just look at Rowan Atkinsons face during the explosion after he has just reported the cemetary as the most secure place in England, or when Bough "hands" him the dossier for agent one.)

I agree shooting the rockets at the speed camera was great - plus great sequence driving the vanquish in London, good skills too (loads better than driving in DAD - no obstacles, just huge sheet of ice - boring)

All in all, quite funny with some excellent moments - definitely worth a rental.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by Tim007
I think I have to support [dark]. I really appreciate the jobs of Purvis & Wade on The World is not Enough, the best Brosnan Bond imho. I didn't like Feirstine at all, his scripts were too action loaded. As for Die Another Day, P&W couldn't reprise their good job they did on The World is not Enough. And for Bond 21 I'd really like to see our Zen to write it

P.S. - I still love Johnny English, especially the AM Chase

What I find funny in your remark on Fierstein is that he did an uncredited rewrite on P&W's TWINE script. So, actually you are saying on the one hand that you don't like his scripts, but on the other that he wrote your favorite Brosnan Bond movie.

[Roebuck]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow
What I find funny in your remark on Fierstein is that he did an uncredited rewrite on P&W's TWINE script. So, actually you are saying on the one hand that you don't like his scripts, but on the other that he wrote your favorite Brosnan Bond movie.

And don't leave out Dana Stevens! I will forever be grateful to her for saving us from the jet pack chase over London that Purvis & Wade thought up for TWINE (the boat chase that replaced it was her idea). If those two hacks had been allowed to get away with that we'd have been straight back to the days of 'Bondolas' and double taking pigeons. :eek:

[marktmurphy]

Originally posted by flares
great sequence driving the vanquish in London

DB7 Vantage actually, old thing. Sorry- must learn to stop correcting people!

I bought the soundtrack- and its great! Much better than DAD whilst still sounding relatively contemporary. Nice song by Williams and Zimmer too.

[M_Balje]

Yes his voice is good for an sing the title song for an Bond movie.
You must lissen to his Millinium,Angels and Feel.
Millinium look like You only live twice.

[[dark]]

Wow! Hadn't heard the jetpack chase thing!! Is that really true!?

For Bond 21, I'd like to see a Purvis & Wade script, albeit with re-writes

[Tanger]

Purvis and Wade once worked on a treatment for the reamake of The Italian Job but once the decision was made to make it an action crime caper rather than an action comedy crime caper they were dropped.

Wonder what their script was like?

[Xenobia]

Originally posted by Simon


Would that not lead us into the same areas of concern that Raymond Benson demonstrated?  I am referring to the focussing and relying on the past as opposed to concentrating on the future etc.

A fair point Simon, and one I can not answer in total because I haven't read the Benson novels.

I can tell you that I would hope P&W would acknowledge the past the way it should be acknowledged...as a foundation for the future.

-- Xenobia

[flares]

Originally posted by marktmurphy


DB7 Vantage actually, old thing. Sorry- must learn to stop correcting people!

My mistake - of course it is. My apologies.

Flares

[Roebuck]

Originally posted by [dark]
Wow!  Hadn't heard the jetpack chase thing!!  Is that really true!?

It's impossible for me to be 100% certain on that, but the site I read it on is usually reliable for this kind of info. Now I suspect this jet pack idea may sound exciting to you, but for me it conjures up images of second-rate CGI and dodgy back projection. Or, worst of all, some poor stuntman dressed as Brosnan being slung from wires beneath a helicopter.

If EON had gotten hold of one of those SoloTrek aircraft the scene might have worked, but chances are it would have been prohibitively expensive to shoot and I doubt they would have been given permission to fly those contraptions over central London.

[marktmurphy]

According to screendaily.com, JE has made $20million on its first weekend worldwide- thats the UK's scond biggest opening of 2003, behind 8 Mile.

[marktmurphy]

Originally posted by marktmurphy


DB7 Vantage actually, old thing. Sorry- must learn to stop correcting people!

Whoops! Silly Mark! The chrome around the grill marks it out as a DB7 GT! Probably. Or maybe it is a Vantage. I'm not entirely sure anymore...

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Roebuck

Now I suspect this jet pack idea may sound exciting to you, but for me it conjures up images of second-rate CGI and dodgy back projection. Or, worst of all, some poor stuntman dressed as Brosnan being slung from wires beneath a helicopter.

How silly could it have been . Every one complains about the CGI in Die Another Day . They forget about the Jet pack stunt in "ThunderBall . Connery clearly is not flying the machine . Also remember the stunt with Dalton hanging from wires under the helicopter in "Lisence To Kill" .

[marktmurphy]

But n both cases the stunt was real- it was a real jet pack (Sean wasn't flying it, but what do you expect- he's not James Bond, you know) and someone was hanging from a helicopter. Tim did it near the ground, yes, but for real. Comparing these to the para-surfing cartoon is silly.

[marktmurphy]

Originally posted by marktmurphy


Whoops! Silly Mark! The chrome around the grill marks it out as a DB7 GT! Probably. Or maybe it is a Vantage. I'm not entirely sure anymore...

Sorry to disagree Mark, but I think it was a Vantage with a pretty grill.

[[dark]]

Originally posted by Roebuck
Now I suspect this jet pack idea may sound exciting to you, but for me it conjures up images of second-rate CGI and dodgy back projection. Or, worst of all, some poor stuntman dressed as Brosnan being slung from wires beneath a helicopter.

Huh? It sounds awful! Nothing would beat that fantastic boat chase!

[kevrichardson]

The Para-Surfing cartoon in Die Another Day is representative of the future of filmmaking . The use of CGI , perhaps EON will just employ a most advanced technology for Bond 21 . In any case the few minutes the CGi had on screen in DAD . Was quick enough not to matter.

[DLibrasnow]

Originally posted by kevrichardson
How silly could it have been . Every one complains about the CGI in Die Another Day . They forget about the Jet pack stunt in "ThunderBall . Connery clearly is not flying the machine . Also remember the stunt with Dalton hanging from wires under the helicopter in "Lisence To Kill" .

Connery was not flying the jetpack, but the thing did actually work as shown in the movie. It was a member of the US military that flew the jetpack in the movie.

The unrealistic part of that sequence in "Thunderball" is them picking it up and sticking it in the boot of the car. According to the documentary "Inside Thunderball" the jetpack would be too hot after the flight to just casually pick up and throw in the boot of a car.

[Roebuck]

Originally posted by [dark]
Huh?  It sounds awful!  Nothing would beat that fantastic boat chase!

Sorry [dark]. I owe you an apology. I misinterpreted the ''Wow!'' in your earlier post.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by DLibrasnow

Connery was not flying the jetpack, but the thing did actually work as shown in the movie. It was a member of the US military that flew the jetpack in the movie.  
The unrealistic part of that sequence in "Thunderball" is them picking it up and sticking it in the boot of the car. According to the documentary "Inside Thunderball" the jetpack would be too hot after the flight to just casually pick up and throw in the boot of a car.

Plus the size of the jet pack would prevent it from fitting into the Aston Martin's boot .

[[dark]]

Originally posted by Roebuck
Sorry [dark]. I owe you an apology. I misinterpreted the ''Wow!'' in your earlier post.

No need to apologise. The "Wow!" was astonishment more than anything. It definitely wasn't an impressed "Wow!", anyway.

[Blofeld's Cat]

I've yet to see JE and I'm really looking to watching it, but just one question though.

If the character is based on the Baraclays Bank TV ads from a few years ago, does the bank have some ownership to it?

Just curious.

[marktmurphy]

Not sure- but they get a credit at the end.

[DieAnotherDay57]

Havent seen it but it looks funny .

[rafterman]

Okay, I just got to see this and all I can say is it's not funny. A chuckle or two, but that was that. I was highly dissapointed to the point I wanted leave and go to bed. I can't believe this was a hit. I can say Rowan is no longer funny to me. Bring back the days of good old Mr. Bean, when he just made goofy faces. The bests things were Natalie looking hot and the cool title song by Robbie Williams.