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[Johnboy007]

That's what makes it brilliant. Besides, Star Wars is a movie where it's okay to root for the bad guy. Vader is so freakin cool. And part of the brilliance is just its emotional impact - it's more resonating than any of the others.

Those scenes are the most emotional in the series, and some of the most memorable. Let's not forget the carbonite sequence discloses Leia's true feelings for Han (barring the meet up in the South passage on Hoth ) They pack a much heavier punch than "I love you Padme!" or anything else we've recently seen.

[Qwerty]

I love the "snow" one! Isn't that THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK?

That scene is good. The AT-AT walkers are a highlight of the film, IMO. Always cool to see future Bond actor Julian Glover in there as well.

[Johnboy007]

I love the "snow" one! Isn't that THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK?

That scene is good. The AT-AT walkers are a highlight of the film, IMO. Always cool to see future Bond actor Julian Glover in there as well.

He's quite a lucky man: The Saint tv show, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, and James Bond. A dream film career.

[DLibrasnow]

Chris:  It wasn't originally Star Wars: A New Hope.  Most fans (who saw it in theatres) saw STAR WARS in the opening credits roll, not STAR WARS EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE.  A New Hope was just tagged on a few years later, when Lucas decided to make prequels, and just plain Star Wars, didn't fit.

Thanks. It's STAR WARS: A NEW HOPE to me.

Not to anyone who grew up with the movies. When STAR WARS was released in 1977, that was the name of the movie. To illustrate my point here is the original movie poster. As you will see there is NO mention of A NEW HOPE.

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[Qwerty]

I love the "snow" one! Isn't that THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK?

That scene is good. The AT-AT walkers are a highlight of the film, IMO. Always cool to see future Bond actor Julian Glover in there as well.

He's quite a lucky man: The Saint tv show, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, and James Bond. A dream film career.

Definitely. A very sophisticated actor. Even mentioned by Dana Brocolli as a good Bond perhaps I believe.

"My name is Donovan. Walter Donovan."

[Tarl_Cabot]

Inspired by hrabb04's STAR TREK movies thread:

STAR WARS (sorry, I refuse to call it A NEW HOPE) - the best of the series. Enough said.

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK - vastly overrated. The scenes on Hoth go on far too long, and there's too much gloom and doom throughout. Worth it for Yoda, though.

RETURN OF THE JEDI - mediocre end to the first trilogy, but fun if you're in the right mood. As with EMPIRE's Yoda, we have a creature who steals the show - Jabba the Hutt. Harrison Ford has great fun as Han Solo.

STAR WARS EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE - underappreciated beginning to the saga. Jake Lloyd and Jar Jar Binks let the side down a bit, but the script, score and effects are all excellent. Wonderful new creatures (check out the guy who has problems getting started at the pod race), and an awesome villain in Darth Maul.

STAR WARS EPISODE II: ATTACK OF THE CLONES - second best of the series. Thought-provoking script, fine performances, and some of the most imaginative design and effects ever seen.

Star Wars:Despite being the lowest budgeted film in series, it's the most artisticly complete film; it works as a stand alone film or as a sandwhiched episode between III and IV.

Star Wars V: The best film in the series. The most atmospheric and boldly dramatic.Vader was at his best. I love that Empire was not a retread of the first, the same reason I love Temple of Doom.Unfortunately, Lucas does a redo in ROTJ and Last Crusade.

:***: Star Wars VI:I love the Emperor and Jabba the Hutt. I feel sorry for first time viewers who will have already seen a CGI Jabba twice...a terrible move since the mystery of Jabba was carried over from the first film(IV). The Ewoks are a major liability and yet another Death Star assault feels unfresh. Still, it's a decent act three despite flaws. I hated Vader's pumkin shaped face. I wish we never saw it.Han Solo was dull too.

Star Wars I: I don't know where to start: Gungans, Jar Jar, Jake Lloyd, the mother....what a disaster...at least Darth Maul was cool.

Star Wars II: Anakin is a horribly realized character; he's annoying and a serial killer.Yuck. The romance is cringe inducing. Too much CGI in this...a huge letdown.

Star Wars III: It has to be the best prequel. It just has to!

[License To Kill]

Star Wars:

The Empire Strikes Back:

Return of the Jedi:

The Phantom Menace: (Darth Maul holds this movie with one star

Attack of the Clones: (just because of Yoda in the finale)


BTW, what is the truth that Lucas is going to reissue the First Trilogy with Hayden Christensen as Anakin at the end of ROTJ.

[Tarl_Cabot]

I don't mind if he changes the SWEV emperor with Mcdmiaroid or switched Anakin...it's just not worth getting upset over at this point!

[DLibrasnow]

BTW, what is the truth that Lucas is going to reissue the First Trilogy with Hayden Christensen as Anakin at the end of ROTJ.

It's true. The set released in September will have Hayden when Vaders mask is removed in ROTJ.

[License To Kill]

BTW, what is the truth that Lucas is going to reissue the First Trilogy with Hayden Christensen as Anakin at the end of ROTJ.

It's true. The set released in September will have Hayden when Vaders mask is removed in ROTJ.

Oh gosh. Thats like taking George out of OHMSS and putting Sean on his body. Wait, that would make it the best movie ever, CGI and all. But, seriously, how can Lucas totally mess up the original, perfect Trilogy.

[Tarl_Cabot]

BTW, what is the truth that Lucas is going to reissue the First Trilogy with Hayden Christensen as Anakin at the end of ROTJ.

It's true. The set released in September will have Hayden when Vaders mask is removed in ROTJ.

I heard he was just replacing the ghost Anakin?

[Harmsway]

BTW, what is the truth that Lucas is going to reissue the First Trilogy with Hayden Christensen as Anakin at the end of ROTJ.

It's true. The set released in September will have Hayden when Vaders mask is removed in ROTJ.

Oh gosh. Thats like taking George out of OHMSS and putting Sean on his body. Wait, that would make it the best movie ever, CGI and all. But, seriously, how can Lucas totally mess up the original, perfect Trilogy.

Well, I know it's beloved, but it's far from perfect.

Lucas is trying to make it mesh with the prequels. I think the worst damage has already been done in the '97 Special Editions. I don't mind some special efx touch ups, but some of the stuff was just bad (that horrible dance number in ROTJ, anybody?). Putting McDiarmind in TESB should be real cool, but is Hayden really necessary?

But I am happy that they've fixed up that CG Jabba and really touched up the Special Eds for this DVD release. Hopefully they'll be mostly improvements.

[Qwerty]

It's a horrendous idea. Just leave them be.

[Harmsway]

Horrendous is a strong word, Qwerty. Horrendous is that dance number in Jabba's palace. Seeing McDiarmind in TESB will be a pleasure for me - he's the definitive Emperor and I thought it was a mistake to have not fixed that for the '97 Special Edition.

I'll agree that Hayden showing up in ROTJ will be embarassing. I quite liked the original actor. Oh well. Still not as bad as that dance number in Jabba's palace...

[Qwerty]

I'll agree that Hayden showing up in ROTJ will be embarassing. I quite liked the original actor. Oh well. Still not as bad as that dance number in Jabba's palace...

That's what I'm referring to. Don't want to see that happen.

[Johnboy007]

It's not like he actually says something though, so Hayden can't be as horrendous. He just stands there and smiles. No real talent needed (thank god for him).

[Qwerty]

It's not like he actually says something though, so Hayden can't be as horrendous. He just stands there and smiles. No real talent needed (thank god for him).

Still sickening to see him in that.

[JackChase007]

Horrendous is a strong word, Qwerty. Horrendous is that dance number in Jabba's palace. Seeing McDiarmind in TESB will be a pleasure for me - he's the definitive Emperor and I thought it was a mistake to have not fixed that for the '97 Special Edition.

The problem with that is that the visual they put in for the new edition is even worse than the original Emperor hologram, believe it or not - the make-up is terrible and looks like a horrible imposter as opposed to McDiarmind, even though it is him.

Not to mention, Lucas ed with the audio. For example, we will no longer hear Boba Fett's voice; his is being replaced by the actor who played Jango Fett (to keep with the idiotic "clone" idea), not to mention the voice of every Stormtrooper is reportedly being dubbed by him as well.

It's funny, because Lucas is apparantly a huge opponent to the idea of "remastering" classics, such as colorizing old B&W films. Cough cough hypocrite cough cough. Why doesn't it cross his mind that maybe he's doing the same thing with his own movies, if not worse?

[Glor (009)]

That's just wrong. Then only reason I went to the theaters to see the remastered films was to see them on the big screen again. I hated most of the new effects. Screwing with movie classics is like watching Cassablanca in color.

I think the prequels were uneccessary and for the most part they've been filled with bad acting and more overblown effects. If you watch all six films in order in a few years you will be shocked by how technology goes backyards from 3 to 4. I guess the planets in these first 2 movies are much more advanced than the rebel planets in Stars and on.

Star Wars was more than a movie. It was a phenomenon for those of us who saw it in theaters and stood in lines that wrapped around single screen theaters more than once. Lucas has come dangerously close to trivializing all of that and making the movies into "Just" films.

[Johnboy007]

Horrendous is a strong word, Qwerty. Horrendous is that dance number in Jabba's palace. Seeing McDiarmind in TESB will be a pleasure for me - he's the definitive Emperor and I thought it was a mistake to have not fixed that for the '97 Special Edition.

The problem with that is that the visual they put in for the new edition is even worse than the original Emperor hologram, believe it or not - the make-up is terrible and looks like a horrible imposter as opposed to McDiarmind, even though it is him.

Not to mention, Lucas ed with the audio. For example, we will no longer hear Boba Fett's voice; his is being replaced by the actor who played Jango Fett (to keep with the idiotic "clone" idea), not to mention the voice of every Stormtrooper is reportedly being dubbed by him as well.

It's funny, because Lucas is apparantly a huge opponent to the idea of "remastering" classics, such as colorizing old B&W films. Cough cough hypocrite cough cough. Why doesn't it cross his mind that maybe he's doing the same thing with his own movies, if not worse?

He's making plenty of music changes, and switches as well. When we first see Vader in SW, he has apparently added in the Imperial March. The death of Vader in ROTJ will feature Anakins theme and a fade into the Imperial March. Several others that I cant remember.

Yoda will be shown on Dagobah after Alderaan is destroyed. Vader will visit the Emperor on Coruscant to inform him of Skywalker after the Battle of Yavin, in SW. Luke will scream when he jumps in TESB.

Ick.

[Tarl_Cabot]

He should make Episode III.5 if he's gonna add a bunch of new scenes...

[Qwerty]

Horrendous is a strong word, Qwerty. Horrendous is that dance number in Jabba's palace. Seeing McDiarmind in TESB will be a pleasure for me - he's the definitive Emperor and I thought it was a mistake to have not fixed that for the '97 Special Edition.

The problem with that is that the visual they put in for the new edition is even worse than the original Emperor hologram, believe it or not - the make-up is terrible and looks like a horrible imposter as opposed to McDiarmind, even though it is him.

Not to mention, Lucas ed with the audio. For example, we will no longer hear Boba Fett's voice; his is being replaced by the actor who played Jango Fett (to keep with the idiotic "clone" idea), not to mention the voice of every Stormtrooper is reportedly being dubbed by him as well.

It's funny, because Lucas is apparantly a huge opponent to the idea of "remastering" classics, such as colorizing old B&W films. Cough cough hypocrite cough cough. Why doesn't it cross his mind that maybe he's doing the same thing with his own movies, if not worse?

Bah. How hilarious. Worse now, rather than then.

[Johnboy007]

It's funny, because Lucas is apparantly a huge opponent to the idea of "remastering" classics, such as colorizing old B&W films.  Cough cough hypocrite cough cough.  Why doesn't it cross his mind that maybe he's doing the same thing with his own movies, if not worse?

Oh, but JackChase, what he is doing now is what he originally wanted to make. He's not remastering, he's completing.

[Qwerty]

[quote name='Johnboy007' date='13 August 2004 - 01:09'] [quote name='JackChase007' date='13 August 2004 - 00:41'] It's funny, because Lucas is apparantly a huge opponent to the idea of "remastering" classics, such as colorizing old B&W films.

[Athena007]

Well, I don't think he should be messing with the original 3 films in the first place... but he already did. Gr! I prefer the "incomplete" originals.

[Qwerty]

Well, I don't think he should be messing with the original 3 films in the first place... but he already did. Gr! I prefer the "incomplete" originals.

So do I.

So far, he hasn't hit the style of the first three with these two newer ones. I have faith in this third film, but we shall see.

[Loomis]

Seems Lucas has desecrated THX 1138, too:

http://www.aint-it-c...ay.cgi?id=18136

Well, at least I have my DVD of AMERICAN GRAFFITI, which shows the film more or less in its original form (not sure, though, whether it's the initial theatrical cut, or the 1978 re-edit) - Lucas must be itching to make CGI "improvements" to those drag racing scenes!

[DLibrasnow]

I know one thing...I am keeping my copies of the original trilogy (pre-1997 Special Editions) in a safe place.

[Icephoenix]

It's his vision - his movies - and he can do whatever the hell he wants with them. I can't beleive what some people are complaining about on here. You'll always be able to get hold of the originals on DVD somehow, but I guess that just won't do. Don't get me wrong, I love them as they are, but I don't think you should just throw away the "He's not remastering, he's completing" statement, Lucas is just trying to tell [i]his[i] story.

[Loomis]

You'll always be able to get hold of the originals on DVD somehow, but I guess that just won't do.

No, it won't do - I'd like to be able to get hold of the originals on DVD legally. Besides, even the best quality bootleg discs don't approach kosher discs in terms of picture/sound.

Since I'm not a hardcore STAR WARS fan, I'm happy to take these films however Lucas chooses to release them - and it's certainly true that they're his films to do as he pleases with. Still, I don't see why the original versions shouldn't be made available alongside the tarted-up edits. Issue the 70s and 80s theatrical cuts of STAR WARS, THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and RETURN OF THE JEDI separately if necessary (as opposed to bunging them in with the Special Editions), as individual titles and/or as a box set. Why not?

It's not as though there isn't the demand - most STAR WARS junkies would be only too delighted to buy the SEs and the originals. All Lucas is doing is depriving himself of money and pissing off some of his most devoted fans.

I'm sure that if Broccoli and Wilson took it upon themselves to make changes to some of the Bond flicks (for instance, trimming the Professor Dent scene to make it less nasty, removing the shots of 007 strangling Marie with her own bra, adding CGI to Connery- and Moore-era action scenes, etc.) and announced that the original theatrical versions would never again be available, just about everyone here would be outraged.