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[Righty007]

The original versions were incomplete crap. They are much better now.

[Qwerty]

No they weren't. The films always have been great.

[Harmsway]

Here's the complete list of DVD changes.

Episode IV: A New Hope DVD:

* Light Sabers changed for Vader versus Ben Kenobi Death Star duel.
* TractorBeam control now in Aurebesh (Star Wars alphabet).
* Han and Greedo scene slightly changed
* Jabba the Hutt redone from Special Edition Jabba.

Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back

* Emperor replaced with Ian McDiarmid.
Dialogue in this scene has been slightly modified, indicating either that the Emperor knows it was Luke who nuked the Death Star and that he is Vader's son. Otherwise, dialogue remains intact. (I have an MP3 of this dialogue exchange... it sounds great to hear McDiarmind doing it!)

Episode VI: Return of the Jedi:

* Hayden Christensen has replaced Sebastian Shaw only in the Force Ghost shot.
* Line about Leia remembering her mother while talking to Luke on the Ewok Village veranda has either been omitted, or modified.
* Naboo has been added to the final planetary celebration montage at the end of the movie.

[Qwerty]

IMO he is pretty egotistical to think he can make the originals better when they were already beloved by millions.

And the thing is that he's basically trying to convince us that we are wrong and don't know better. How can he tell us what to think?

Well if he has the power to...

I guess he must think it a truly fantastic idea to do so though.

Well, then he must think wrong from what it seems.

On some of the choices yes, I agree.

Ah well, I'll look forward to Episode III rather than the changed around originals for now.

[Righty007]

Here's the complete list of DVD changes.

Episode IV: A New Hope DVD:

* Light Sabers changed for Vader versus Ben Kenobi Death Star duel.
* TractorBeam control now in Aurebesh (Star Wars alphabet).
* Han and Greedo scene slightly changed
* Jabba the Hutt redone from Special Edition Jabba.

Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back

* Emperor replaced with Ian McDiarmid.
Dialogue in this scene has been slightly modified, indicating either that the Emperor knows it was Luke who nuked the Death Star and that he is Vader's son. Otherwise, dialogue remains intact. (I have an MP3 of this dialogue exchange... it sounds great to hear McDiarmind doing it!)

Episode VI: Return of the Jedi:

* Hayden Christensen has replaced Sebastian Shaw only in the Force Ghost shot.
* Line about Leia remembering her mother while talking to Luke on the Ewok Village veranda has either been omitted, or modified.
* Naboo has been added to the final planetary celebration montage at the end of the movie.

Thanks for making this list. Was Hayden Christensen made to look older in Episode VI: Return of the Jedi?

[Qwerty]

I'm sure they'll change around some of his features. Most likely.

[Righty007]

I'm going to watch Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back now...

[Qwerty]

Good episode. Many call it the best.

[Harmsway]

Here's the complete list of DVD changes.

Episode IV: A New Hope DVD:

* Light Sabers changed for Vader versus Ben Kenobi Death Star duel.
* TractorBeam control now in Aurebesh (Star Wars alphabet).
* Han and Greedo scene slightly changed
* Jabba the Hutt redone from Special Edition Jabba.

Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back

* Emperor replaced with Ian McDiarmid.
Dialogue in this scene has been slightly modified, indicating either that the Emperor knows it was Luke who nuked the Death Star and that he is Vader's son. Otherwise, dialogue remains intact. (I have an MP3 of this dialogue exchange... it sounds great to hear McDiarmind doing it!)

Episode VI: Return of the Jedi:

* Hayden Christensen has replaced Sebastian Shaw only in the Force Ghost shot.
* Line about Leia remembering her mother while talking to Luke on the Ewok Village veranda has either been omitted, or modified.
* Naboo has been added to the final planetary celebration montage at the end of the movie.

Thanks for making this list. Was Hayden Christensen made to look older in Episode VI: Return of the Jedi?

No. He just appears as he does in Ep. III in the Force Ghost shot. I'm thankful that the original actor, Sebastian Shaw, is still being used for the unmasking. That scene, coupled with the rest of the throne room sequence, was one of the most powerful scenes in the trilogy.

[Johnboy007]

Here's the complete list of DVD changes.

Episode IV: A New Hope DVD:

* Light Sabers changed for Vader versus Ben Kenobi Death Star duel.
* TractorBeam control now in Aurebesh (Star Wars alphabet).
* Han and Greedo scene slightly changed
* Jabba the Hutt redone from Special Edition Jabba.

Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back

* Emperor replaced with Ian McDiarmid.
Dialogue in this scene has been slightly modified, indicating either that the Emperor knows it was Luke who nuked the Death Star and that he is Vader's son. Otherwise, dialogue remains intact. (I have an MP3 of this dialogue exchange... it sounds great to hear McDiarmind doing it!)

Episode VI: Return of the Jedi:

* Hayden Christensen has replaced Sebastian Shaw only in the Force Ghost shot.
* Line about Leia remembering her mother while talking to Luke on the Ewok Village veranda has either been omitted, or modified.
* Naboo has been added to the final planetary celebration montage at the end of the movie.

Chris: No they're not, and you admitted yourself you've never seen the original cuts.

While i'd prefer them to be the originals, that really isn't that bad.

I could live with it.

Harmsway: Could you send the mp3 of the dialogue to me?

[gkgyver]

I have to say that I've never seen any of the Star Wars films, except Episode 1 and 2 and I hated both.

Edited by gkgyver, 14 August 2004 - 05:07 PM.

[Harmsway]

I have to say that I've never seen any of the Star Wars films, except Episode 1 and 2 and I hated both.

That's a shame. Ep I and II really aren't good introductions to the saga (especially because they don't have the magic of the originals, and the fact that they arguably suck). You need to check out the original trilogy when it's released on DVD - you'll be surprised at how good the original trilogy is.

[Harmsway]

Harmsway: Could you send the mp3 of the dialogue to me?

I sent it to your hotmail account.

[Johnboy007]

Harmsway: Could you send the mp3 of the dialogue to me?

I sent it to your hotmail account.

Thank you!

gkygyver, you should really try to watch at least one of the original movies, much better in most fan's opinions.

[Qwerty]

I have to say that I've never seen any of the Star Wars films, except Episode 1 and 2 and I hated both.

You'd probably like the trilogy, try it out.

[Robinson]

Okay, as an oldhead I'll weigh in on the five films:

Episode IV: A NEW HOPE **** I saw this on the big screen back in '77 about 4-5 times and numerous times on cable and on vhs. Yes, Luke is callow and whiny and everyone else is an archetype but the dialogue is great and the story is an easy one to follow and compelling enough to make one thirsty for every backstory the series has to offer. Alec Guinness brought so much to the role of Obi Wan and actually serves as the film's emotional core. The Falcon's escape from the Death Star resonates more than the climactic space battle. A truly enjoyable film and to quote a film critic from the seventies "a helluva lot of fun."

Episode V: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK ***** One of my favorite films of all time PERIOD. Luke continues the hero's journey, Han and Leia fall in love, Vader snaps necks and has one of the greatest revelations of the modern film era. Yes it's darker, yes it's more menacing, yes the heroes don't win but it's an immensely enjoyable film that satisfies on every level. A huge battle in the snow and an intimate lightsaber duel bookend the film. While many feel this one's overrated, it's the best written flick in this series and is the standard by which most sequels strive for.

Episode VI: RETURN OF THE JEDI *** 1/2* Well, it had to end someway. Plenty of effects, plenty of creatures, action and missed opportunities. The final battle manages to be coherent while playing out in three different environments. Emotional moments are few and far between. Best moment is the look on Leia's face when Luke reveals Vader's his father. Kenobi's disclosure that many of the Jedi's truths cling on their own point of view is an intriguing one. Boba Fett is totally underused and suffers and end to a character that was one of the coolest in the series. I hated the original finale, it's actually the one area that the SEs improved on.

Episode I: THE PHANTOM MENACE *** So this is how it all begins. A slave boy with a mysterious past, a young queen with a massive wardrobe and one of the coolest looking villains of the modern era. Lucas continues the trend of more creatures and more effects at the expense of dialogue. Technologically impressive but somewhat unsatisfying. Personally I felt Anakin's character should've been older(hell, I believe Episode II should've been Episode I) just so the dynamic between himself and Padme could've been more effective. The podrace scene is the centerpiece of the film but the political intrigue I find more interesting. Ultimately, the film redeems itself with a saber fight that outdoes any other in the series. A decent beginning but can't recapture the magic of 1977. An unfair expectation but hey there'll never be another Pele either.

Episode II: ATTACK OF THE CLONES *** 1/2 This one has juice. The setup is gone and now we can proceed. A republic begins to fall, a couple begins a romance and a young man slowly realizes his destiny. Ironically, I got a hold of the script a good 5 months before this film was released. What was on paper floored me but what wound up on screen... I believe Lucas needed to give the actors more direction. There's no chemistry between Christiansen and Portman and their courtship dialogue is overwrought. The action scenes work and are often inventive. The speeder chase in Coruscant and the asteroid belt pursuit stand out as do Kenobi and Jango Fett's dust-up on the landing bay. The effects are impressive but some of the scenery looks flat, especially on Geonosis. The final images of the clone army and Anakin's mechanical hand make this film totally worthwhile and actually leave me impatient to see how it's all wrapped up.

NOTE: I've mixed reactions to the Special Editions of the original trilogy. In one respect, filmmaking technology improved many scenes (final space battle in ANH and the snow battle in TESB), that being said, some of the added scenes left me shaking my head. Luke screaming(like the Emperor) as he falls down the shaft in TESB? It was a conscious move on Skywalker's part, so why scream? and we won't get into Greedo firing first. Ultimately, seeing the added effects- especially in ANH, whetted my appetite for the prequel trilogy. However, one realizes that effects alone do not a series make. Let's hope there's some balance to this last installment in the STAR WARS sage.

[Qwerty]

What I find interesting is that many critics and reviews called Episode II: ATTACK OF THE CLONES the best of the series when it first came out. They said the second film worked again, much like the deal for TESB.

[JackChase007]

What I find interesting is that many critics and reviews called Episode II: ATTACK OF THE CLONES the best of the series when it first came out. They said the second film worked again, much like the deal for TESB.

Every review I read of Attack Of The Clones was highly negative.

[Jim]

What I find interesting is that many critics and reviews called Episode II: ATTACK OF THE CLONES the best of the series when it first came out. They said the second film worked again, much like the deal for TESB.

First time I've read that. Any sources or is this just out of the air?

[Qwerty]

I obviously cannot retrieve a quote from a newspaper review long ago, but here is one such review similar in style since you seem interested: http://www.hometheat...eak/clones.html

Mentions it may be, along with TESB, the next best film; that it is the newer TESB.

[Johnboy007]

I'm with Jack and Jim here, every single review I read of AOTC hammered it senselessly. Every major newspaper, Yahoo! etc.

[Righty007]

I just finished Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back. I will watch the last one later.

[Jim]

Come to think of it, EMPIRE magazine gave it five stars (out of five) but appear to have indulged in significant backtracking since. Strikes me that it's just an overreaction to The Phantom Menace, which if it's the one I'm thinking about, I really didn't see the harm in.

[Qwerty]

I'm with Jack and Jim here, every single review I read of AOTC hammered it senselessly. Every major newspaper, Yahoo! etc.

The "review" of sorts above, didn't. The one I originally saw gave it 3 1/2 stars I think.

[Johnboy007]

True, but not a "professional" movie critic, or a "professional" movie site.

By professional, someone who watches and critiques them for a living, not necessarily the "superior" film watcher.

[Qwerty]

Yes, you are correct. The one in the paper was though.

[DLibrasnow]

True, but not a "professional" movie critic, or a "professional" movie site.

By professional, someone who watches and critiques them for a living, not necessarily the "superior" film watcher.

I don't think you can say that. I was (and still do some freelance) a professional movie critic, but I would not say my views were any more or less important (or significant) than the person in the street simply because of the training I received.

[Qwerty]

True, but not a "professional" movie critic, or a "professional" movie site.

By professional, someone who watches and critiques them for a living, not necessarily the "superior" film watcher.

I don't think you can say that. I was (and still do some freelance) a professional movie critic, but I would not say my views were any more or less important (or significant) than the person in the street simply because of the training I received.

Well I don't think it was implied their views were anymore important.

[Righty007]

What day will the Star Wars Trilogy come out in the United States?

[Qwerty]

I've heard September 21st.