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[Gabe Vieira]

what about rowan atkinson, man that would be a hoot

No thanks. I couldn't see much credibility in that casting.

Ditto. I couldn't watch a Bond film where Mr. Bean is the villain.

Rowan Atkinson would not make a good Le Chiffre, and, honestly, after seeing him in Never Say Never Again, I would rather EON not have him as a character in any future Bond films, especially now that the series is going in a more serious direction. If it were a Roger Moore Bond film, then maybe that would be a better fit.

Ah, I forgot that he was in NSNA. Another reason why Mr. Bean shouldn't be the villain. Good call, tdalton.

[Qwerty]

I would rather EON not have him as a character in any future Bond films, especially now that the series is going in a more serious direction.

Indeed. Definitely not suitable at all for what I see as the tone and style of the upcoming Casino Royale.

[rubixcub]

He should be an old, diminutive man (about 60) with fading physique and voice but that still reminds you of a once powerful personality...sophisticated, educated yet vicious, cruel and depraved.

Older I'll give you- but why diminutive?

In the book, Le Chiffre is described as being about 45 years old, 5'8" tall and 250 lbs. In short, he's heavy. He's also described as having "the economy of movement of a big fish". Also has reddish hair.

Again, reading the book, I originally pictured Brendan Gleeson.

Dave

[Leon]

Still Depardieu for me, he fits the physical description perfectly, he is French so can do a proper accent etc (though LeChiffre is not actiually French he speaks it fluently and in any case doesn't remember his actiual origins). He is also a fantastic actor with a distinctive look, superb for a Bond villain.

Edited by Leon, 03 January 2006 - 11:03 PM.

[Xenia Onatopps No 1 Fan]

last i heard depardieu had retired from acting i think he confirmed it on the jonathan ross show a while back...my pick would be alan rickman, he would be awesome as le chiffre, as he plays an excellent villain...although he doesnt fit the description in the book...

Edited by Xenia Onatopps No 1 Fan, 05 January 2006 - 12:03 AM.

[Polynikes]

Just had a thought - how about Bill Nighy?

He's the bad guy in the Vampire Vs Werewolves movies - "Underworld".

I must admit he does do a pretty mean scowl and looks sadistic enough to play Le Chiffre.

[Number 6]

Alfred Molina should play Le Chiffre

[Polynikes]

Alfred Molina should play Le Chiffre

As stated, he'd be wrong for LeChiffre because of his recent role as the bad guy in Spiderman II.

Just had another idea:

Benicio Del Toro - he was one of the bad guys in "Sin City". The one who Clive Owen had to dump in the swamp & got the slide of an automatic pistol shot through his forehead.
He played a creepy, sadistic and evil bad guy...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001125/

[Number 6]

Alfred Molina should play Le Chiffre

As stated, he'd be wrong for LeChiffre because of his recent role as the bad guy in Spiderman II.

Just had another idea:

Benicio Del Toro - he was one of the bad guys in "Sin City". The one who Clive Owen had to dump in the swamp & got the slide of an automatic pistol shot through his forehead.
He played a creepy, sadistic and evil bad guy...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001125/

All you did was mention another bad guy from another comic book movie. I'll admit that he's a good actor but he's no better than Molina for consideration.

Besides...Bond has already beat him...well a grinder did...

[Polynikes]

Number 6

All you did was mention another bad guy from another comic book movie. I'll admit that he's a good actor but he's no better than Molina for consideration.

Well yes, "Sin City" was a movie of a comic - however it was an "adult" comic and not a child's comic.

The "Spiderman" franchise is for children plain and simple whereas "Sin City" most definitely is not. Indeed I was amazed that it got away with a mere "R" rating.

This means that Molina has lost all credibility for playing a serious bad guy in the near future whereas Benicio Del Toro is still in possesion of shed loads of street credibility.

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense...Benicio Del Toro would be an excellent Le Chiffre and would have a suitably vague background/nationality.

He would be associated with sadistic brutality and present Bond with a real (as in VERY) bad guy villian to beat. Del Toro has screen presence - Moina whilst an accomplised actor has little presence as a malignant threat to your physical wellbeing.

Ask yourself who you would least like to meet in a dark alley - Del Toro or Molina.

[Number 6]

Please, I'm not arguing who is better, Polynikes but I can make that same arguement about any actor. Molina played a character, albeit a comic character but nothing more or less. And using semantics on what bracket a comic is catagorized whether it be adult or not just doesn't take. They're all still comics. I'd accept any one actor who could convincingly pull Le Chiffre off. It's the end result that really matters, right?

As for your dark alley question, I would be cautiously treat everyone with equal contempt if I were stupid enough to walk down one...even you, my friend.

Edited by Number 6, 06 January 2006 - 01:22 AM.

[saltnpepper]

I heard about French actor Romain Duris...
It would be a great moment !

[Tinfinger]

How about Roman Polansky? He did slit Jack's nose in Chinatown.

[booyeah_]

Number 6

All you did was mention another bad guy from another comic book movie. I'll admit that he's a good actor but he's no better than Molina for consideration.

Well yes, "Sin City" was a movie of a comic - however it was an "adult" comic and not a child's comic.

The "Spiderman" franchise is for children plain and simple whereas "Sin City" most definitely is not. Indeed I was amazed that it got away with a mere "R" rating.

This means that Molina has lost all credibility for playing a serious bad guy in the near future whereas Benicio Del Toro is still in possesion of shed loads of street credibility.

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense...Benicio Del Toro would be an excellent Le Chiffre and would have a suitably vague background/nationality.

He would be associated with sadistic brutality and present Bond with a real (as in VERY) bad guy villian to beat. Del Toro has screen presence - Moina whilst an accomplised actor has little presence as a malignant threat to your physical wellbeing.

Ask yourself who you would least like to meet in a dark alley - Del Toro or Molina.

I think Del Toro's role in LTK should prevent him from coming back.

[spynovelfan]

J

[james st.john smythe]

im still going with gordon kaye who played rene in "allo allo" he was french after all or micheal barrymore

[Number 6]

[quote name='spynovelfan' date='6 January 2006 - 08:22']J

[Lounge Lizard]

According to that Dark Horizons article that tops today's headlines, French actors Romain Duris and Michael Youn have screentested for Le Chiffre. Duris looks a little too young and smooth for my taste (and has too much of a 'traditional Bond' look, which would put Craig in a tight corner), but Youn looks a bit more like Le Chiffre material:



(this jpeg is labelled YOUN007, but I'm sure that's purely coincidence...)

I have never seen either of these men act, so there's very little I can add.

[spynovelfan]

im still going with gordon kaye who played rene in "allo allo" he was french after all or micheal barrymore

You're joking, right?

(Yes, I'm aware I've just said David Walliams looks like Bond, but still...)

[spynovelfan]

According to that Dark Horizons article that tops today's headlines, French actors Romain Duris and Michael Youn have screentested for Le Chiffre. Duris looks a little too young and smooth for my taste (and has too much of a 'traditional Bond' look, which would put Craig in a tight corner), but Youn looks a bit more like Le Chiffre material:



(this jpeg is labelled YOUN007, but I'm sure that's purely coincidence...)

I have never seen either of these men act, so there's very little I can add.

Duris is a good actor, but totally wrong for this part for the reasons you've given. He was the lad role in L'AUBERGE ESPAGNOLE and its sequel, opposite Cecile de France, who I'm beginning to think has landed Vesper (and hope - she'd be a very good choice, in my view).

I've never seen Youn act.

[pgram]

how about Jean Claude Dreyfus? He was the butcher in Delicatessen and was also in the city of lost children. I guess, having suggested Dominique Pinon in a previous post, what I am trying to say is that they should hire Jean Pierre Jeunnet to direct a Bond film...

http://www.imdb.com/....., Jean-Claude

[rubixcub]

Does Youn always look older than his 32 years, or is it just that picture? I was upset to discover how young the supposedly screen-tested actors were, but that picture is reassuring.

Dave

[dinovelvet]

I'm not liking these two French guys at all...they're both several years younger than Craig!? Obviously the character of Le Chiffre has been reworked a bit from the novel, and he ain't a father figure anymore. How is 'Bond Begins' going to work when Craig is the oldest guy in the room? I get a feeling just from the kind of casting they're looking at, that Bond and Le Chiffre will have a physical fight at some point.

Here's a pic of Duris anyway.

[Royal Dalton]

Romain Duris looks like he'd be more suitable for Rene Mathis.

[Agent 76]

what about, Nikola Kojo



or Rade Serbedzija

[Judo chop]

[quote name='Agent 76' date='9 January 2006 - 16:33']what about, Nikola Kojo



or

Edited by Judo chop, 09 January 2006 - 09:59 PM.

[Agent 76]

[quote name='Judo chop' date='9 January 2006 - 21:58'][quote name='Agent 76' date='9 January 2006 - 16:33']what about, Nikola Kojo



or

[Judo chop]

Molina would be good, if not great. But I can't help feeling like that would be jumping on a bandwagon of some sort (d/t the Spiderman villian association). I just feel like they should avoid all recent sterotypes in their casting decisions. I would be delighted at a big name actor showing up (the likes of A. Hopkins or Ben Kingsley, for example), but I'd rather they stay away from a name that will bring to mind a recent association. It shouldn't matter, I know, but I want the cast of CR to feel completely unique.

[Polynikes]

Number 6

...I'm not arguing who is better...Molina played a character, albeit a comic character but nothing more or less...

Of course he did but a character in movie aimed at children and based on a children's comic.

Molina is of course a very fine actor - I just don't think he plays the villian too convincingly.

In fact he doesn't play a bad guy well at all - playing psychiatrists is one thing (he did a fine job in the recent movie Identity for instance), but playing a vicious, cruel bad guy is not so much beyond his range but unsuitable for him.

...and using semantics on what bracket a comic is catagorized whether it be adult or not just doesn't take. They're all still comics. I'd accept any one actor who could convincingly pull Le Chiffre off. It's the end result that really matters, right?

No semantics No6, indeed I'm not sure I know what you're talking about here...

The issue with the origins of the two publications/movies involved is not how I or anyone catagorise them, but to who'm they're aimed at & their respective content.

After acting in a children's movie like Spiderman II, I think Molina has a credibility issue to play another bad guy in a (hopefully more) adult oriented movie like we all hope "Casino Royale" will turn out to be.

...as for your dark alley question, I would be cautiously treat everyone with equal contempt if I were stupid enough to walk down one...even you, my friend.

I guess you're a far tougher man than me then...

LOL.

[Polynikes]

booyeah

...I think Del Toro's role in LTK should prevent him from coming back.

I didn't even know he was in "Licence To Kill" but he was...

I guess I just didn't notice him or didn't remember...

I saw the movie in an Edinburgh cinema when it came out and that is the only time I saw it - it is utterly forgetable and vies with "Octopussy" for the worst ever Bond movie.

However LTK was made some 16 years ago and Del Toro is a little older now...and a mean looking b@stard too in "Sin City".

Yeah...I think he'd make a great LeChiffre.