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[solitaire]

Originally posted by Ry
IMHO "Chicago" is the best movie of the year and should win Best Picture, but all of the nominees for Best Picture are deserving.  I was actually surprised that Richard Gere, Peter Jackson, and the Foreign Film "City of God" did not get nominations.  "City of God" is brutally violent, but amazing (much like Mean Streets).

You are so right about "City of God",it's one of the best films ever. For some odd reason I don't think Brazil submitted it for foreign film consideration. Pedro Almodovar's film "Talk to Her" was also shut out by Spain. However the academy still gave him a best director nomination.

[JackChase007]

Originally posted by solitaire


I think it's really sweet how you defend your boyfriend David Arnold. Too bad you don't have the heart to tell him he should find another line of work. One that does'nt involve "talent".

Solitaire, I recall often reading your posts on how you criticize others on this board for being "childish" and "immature", and those are the exact words I would use to describe your very harsh and unnecessary comment.

I fully understand that you like David Arnold as much as I do Madonna, and that's fine. That's why they're both in this business - to cater to the tastes and likes of different people throughout the world.

Now, as for the "boyfriend" thing - Mr. Arnold is hardly my type. For one thing, he's a male.

[Ry]

Yeah I just don't get why they didn't use City of God as their nominee. Many of the top critics put it in their top ten lists. It was in my top 5. I also heard the same thing happened with Y Tu Mama Tambien.

[solitaire]

Originally posted by Ry
Yeah I just don't get why they didn't use City of God as their nominee.  Many of the top critics put it in their top ten lists.  It was in my top 5.  I also heard the same thing happened with Y Tu Mama Tambien.

Mexico totally screwed "Y Tu mama Tambien" in favor of the god awful "Crimes of padre Amaro". Go figure the logic:confused:

[Won Ton]

yeah, bout all this. madonna is fading really fast. if she ever was really good in the past, she's not showing it anymore. as for the complaint about TTT and bond's special effects. have you even seen two towers? the effects were alot better. i don't mean to bash all the dreams of bond fans, but did you really expect it to get any nominations this year? the movie was good, but not the pinical of cinema some of you believe it is. madonna's song just wasn't that great. and for the claim that she has a lot of top ten songs, its not hard these days for **** to get that high. look at britney spears and such with top tens for **** songs. i don't see why the lack of nominations should concern anyone. if you liked that movie that is all that matters.

[gkgyver]

"Sorry but why doesn't lord of the rings just win every award i mean it's just gettin stupid now "The award goes to guess who The Lord Of The Rings The Two Towers" thats all whats it's goin to be every year"

No, it's not going to be that way every year, simply because LOTR only has got two sequels (TTT and ROTK).


"I wish that would happen. It deserves it more so than any other movie on the Best Picture list, IMO. (Well, I do think Chicago is very deserving. A lot of hard work went into that movie. But it's by no means a significant piece of cinema in the way LORT is. Again, IMO.)"

It's not only your opinion; mine, too. I mean, the LOTR trilogy is a legend and how Peter Jackson, Weta and others deliver this on the big screen is nothing less than phenomenal. Also IMO, Chicago may be a very good movie, but it's not in the class of LOTR (IMO), just because you don't see that the director's heartblood flowed into it like it is with TTT. Even more, I really don't understand why Howard Shore's score wasn't nominated. The music of Gandalf's fight with the Balrog at the very beginning makes me shudder everytime I hear it.

[solitaire]

Originally posted by Won Ton
yeah, bout all this.  madonna is fading really fast. if she ever was really good in the past, she's not showing it anymore.  as for the complaint about TTT and bond's special effects.  have you even seen two towers?  the effects were alot better.  i don't mean to bash all the dreams of bond fans, but did you really expect it to get any nominations this year?  the movie was good, but not the pinical of cinema some of you believe it is.  madonna's song just wasn't that great. and for the claim that she has a lot of top ten songs, its not hard these days for **** to get that high.  look at britney spears and such with top tens for **** songs.  i don't see why the lack of nominations should concern anyone.  if you liked that movie that is all that matters.

Your comments about Madonna are about as dumb and idiotic as your name;)

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by solitaire

Your comments about Madonna are about as dumb and idiotic as your name;)

wow that hurts!!!! . It is just too bad that once again Bond was over look by the Hollywood film community. Brosnan should have gotten something foe "Evelyn". My god Nick Cage???

[Won Ton]

so you've resorted to insulting my name? it has no meaning to you because you don't know me and that is why i could care less what you think of it. my taste in music is my own, but since this is a forum where i can state my opinion, i have. and i will state it again that madonna's music is bad. you couldn't even come up with an intelligent response to my criticism. you are nothing other then a dogmatist, who sticks with a view and insults and degrades others who hold opposing views. if you want to argue with me, that is fine, but to simply say that i am idiotic and dumb shows your own lack of intelligance and disregard for others.

[rafterman]

BEST PICTURE
CHICAGO
GANGS OF NEW YORK
THE HOURS
THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE TWO TOWERS
THE PIANIST

There's only one film on this list that deserves it, but it won't win. The Oscars are becoming predictable. The most deserving film hardly ever wins, sure maybe a good film will win, but the more significant film hardly does anymore. TTT deserves to get the award, but won't because it's in a series. The Pianist is good, but not that good. Gangs of New York is good, but flawed. Chicago, well that's nice enough, but it won't get it. I say The Hours will get it, but it sure doesn't deserve it. An Oscar win is usually forgotten these days, while the losers are remembered. There have been too many losses by better films, like Forrest Gump beating Shawshank Redemption or Shakespeare in Love trumping the superior Saving Private Ryan. It's not about honoring the more significant, important to the history of cinema film anymore. It's kind of hard to say it was a good year for film when all the stuff being talked about is new. It's been a good three months for film, anything older than that is usually forgotten. As for that screenplay nomination for My Big Fat Greek Wedding.....did they actually read the script or has the hype of its success gotten to them, it ain't a great script...

[Won Ton]

yeah the two towers definetily deserves it. but fantasy movies usually don't win. maybe next year, the return of the king will get it because its the last one.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by solitaire

You really need to put the crack pipe away.

Wow !! As much as i like Denise Richards . And i thought Rosamond Pike Okay . Was that statement need . I remaind of the "anus" who called me a "dork". Crack is a very serious statement. Good lord!!!!!!!!

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Won Ton
yeah the two towers definetily deserves it.  but fantasy movies usually don't win.  maybe next year, the return of the king will get it because its the last one.

What is with this "Twin Towers" **** . I saw the movie and did not like the look of the thing. It's because of all of the money that was invested in it. People are Hollywood come cheap !!! The mighty dollar rules.

[Won Ton]

its called The Two Towers and its only the second part of 3. its an incomplete work. i felt that they did a great job of bringing to film one of the greatest literary work of all time. "people are Hollywood come cheap"? the majority of the production costs were on computer generated images. personally i don't think these movies could have been made without all the money involved. in the end its an opinion thing. i like it because im a huge tolkien fan. some of my friends don't like it, and i don't begrudge them. but i still believe it was the best movie this year.

[solitaire]

Originally posted by Won Ton
so you've resorted to insulting my name?    it has no meaning to you because you don't know me and that is why i could care less what you think of it.  my taste in music is my own, but since this is a forum where i can state my opinion, i have.  and i will state it again that madonna's music is bad.  you couldn't even come up with an intelligent response to my criticism.  you are nothing other then a dogmatist, who sticks with a view and insults and degrades others who hold opposing views.  if you want to argue with me, that is fine, but to simply say that i am idiotic and dumb shows your own lack of intelligance and disregard for others.

Perhaps if you had made an "intelligent critique" of Madonna I would have responded in kind. You did'nt:rolleyes: If you truly new what a "dogmatist" was you would'nt refer to me as such,simce you don't know me. You're right about being entitled to your own opinions,no matter how stupid they are.

[Blue Eyes]

You both have opinions and fair points so just let it drop.

[Adam]

Originally posted by kevrichardson
wow that hurts!!!! . It is just too bad that once again Bond was over look by the Hollywood film community. Brosnan should have gotten something foe "Evelyn".  My god Nick Cage???

Ok have you even seen 'Adaptation'? Or 'Leaving Las Vegas'? Not to mention the fact that Pierce Brosnan isn't that good to begin with...

Anyway, 'The Two Towers' was ok (though I thought I had aged 10 years by the time it was over) but it isn't perfect...and the only reason everyone is so into this 'Chicago' backlash thing is because it's gaining so much recognition. The same thing happened with 'A Beautiful Mind' last year. And 'Shakespeare in Love' was as equally deserving as 'Saving Private Ryan'; most people don't see this because of the distance in subject matter.

[rafterman]

I'll disagree, Shakespeare in Love was not as deserving, it's a good movie, just not as important a film as Saving Private Ryan, as is clear in the Oscars, subject matter does matter comedies don't win, sci-fi doesn't win, nor does action...SPR was a very accomplished film, very important to cinema, SiL was good, but not that good......as for A Beautiful Mind winning, well that's a clear case of giving it to a hack, namely Opie, good old Ronnie Howard.........the Oscars fail to consistently recognize the best picture, films like L.A. Confidential lose, while Titanic wins...and some may not like TTT, that's cool, but it is a very accomplished film, very well made and not my personal choice for best film even...but it does deserve the award...

[Adam]

Originally posted by rafterman
just not as important a film as Saving Private Ryan, as is clear in the Oscars, subject matter does matter comedies don't win, sci-fi doesn't win, nor does action...SPR was a very accomplished film, very important to cinema, SiL was good, but not that good.....

Hmm...funny how Saving Private Ryan just seemed to disappear after 1998...

[solitaire]

Everyone is entitled their opinions about the Oscars,but lets not forget that these awards are voted on by "individuals" who have their own personal ideas of what is good. There is no one definition of what "important" film is,the awards are'nt even about that. They are about awarding and lauding the best work produced by Hollywood during the year. Some years have been better than others,this past year was particularly great. People usually critisize the Oscars when the films they like don't win or are not nominated. Just because you don't like something does'nt negate someone elses positive view of it. I critisize the awards all the time,but it's not like they nominated something as hideous as XXX or even DAD. I have personally seen all of the best picture nominees,and they are all great in their own way. I loved all of them,and will be happy to see any of them win. However my personal faves are "Chicago" and "The Two Towers" (awesome masterpiece of film)

[rafterman]

see I don't think SPR disappeared at all, but again it is all opinion and everyone's got one...

[JackChase007]

I hate the Oscars - and other award ceremonies - enough as it is. It's bad enough that we shower the film industry in riches and make such important people out of film stars and directors, but do we really have to pet their collective ego even further?

I remember my music teacher showing us ShowBoat awhile back, and one thing stuck with me - that in the time in which that took place, actors were frowned upon. Actors were the scum of the earth. Now what happened here? People in the film industry sure to entertain us, but do they really provide that much more of a service than everyone else out there, that they deserve so much? And I know that this sounds like a bunch of hypocracy coming from a Bond fan, but when the situation calls for it, I can damn well put my priorities in order.

[solitaire]

Talk about Hypocracy:rolleyes:

[Won Ton]

okay, a critical critique. the song lyrics were redundent and boring. the beat was way to techno for me to like. i personally don't like madonna's singing voice, as it sounds a lot like my sister's whinning. if you reread my original post you may note that i refered to madonna's songs in comparisson to other artists on the top ten, showing that it really doesn't matter much cause lots of people can get a top ten song, even if the music is bad. i wasn't trying to critique madonna i was just stating a bloody opinion. but that doesn't matter because "intelligent critique" to you means "agrees with my opinion".
i think i fairly defined a dogmatist in my response. from your responses towards me i can refer to you as such. also, your still stuck on insulting me. you didn't give any reasons why my opinion was wrong, except that i was stupid and obviously wrong because i don't agree with you.
you're right, i don't know you, and by the way you seem to like attacking people on the forum who state their own opinions, im glad i don't.

[JackChase007]

Originally posted by solitaire
Talk about Hypocracy:rolleyes:

Alright, I'll play things your way, Solitaire:
I'm rubber and you're glue - whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

[JackChase007]

Hey Won Ton - what kind of music do you like?

[Won Ton]

the beatles of course. the best songs ever written in drug induced hazes. though since they no longer produce anything as half of them are dead, i also listen to metallica and i still listen to smashing pumpkins though they broke up. and red hot chilly peppers aren't so bad either.

[JackChase007]

Man, and how can you forget Paul McCartney's "Live and Let Die". Brilliant, brilliant song. You know, I still don't understand why it was passed over for the Oscar back in '74. Not only is it just an awesome Bond theme, but it's a great song in general.

[solitaire]

Originally posted by Won Ton
okay, a critical critique.  the song lyrics were redundent and boring.  the beat was way to techno for me to like.  i personally don't like madonna's singing voice, as it sounds a lot like my sister's whinning. if you reread my original post you may note that i refered to madonna's songs in comparisson to other artists on the top ten, showing that it really doesn't matter much cause lots of people can get a top ten song, even if the music is bad.  i wasn't trying to critique madonna i was just stating a bloody opinion.  but that doesn't matter because "intelligent critique" to you means "agrees with my opinion".
i think i fairly defined a dogmatist in my response.  from your responses towards me i can refer to you as such.  also, your still stuck on insulting me. you didn't give any reasons why my opinion was wrong, except that i was stupid and obviously wrong because i don't agree with you.  
you're right, i don't know you, and by the way you seem to like attacking people on the forum who state their own opinions, im glad i don't.

That was much better,however your use of the word "you" is a bit redundant;)

[B5Erik2]

Man, that is HILARIOUS - Only three nominees for best visual effects, and DAD didn't even get a sniff.

When most categories have five nominees, why didn't the effects for DAD get nominated? -BECAUSE THEY SUCKED!!!

DAD's effects looked, not second rate, but third rate. When you watch some other movies like Star Wars (very flawed movie, but solid effects), LOTR: TTT, etc, there is a HUGE difference. Hell, Terminator 2 looked better, and it came out ten years earlier!

Kind of sad, really, because DAD had so much promise, and a GREAT first two thirds. It was that last third that leaned so heavily on bad visual effects that really hurt it.

But I'll still buy the DVD! Hey, I'm a Bond fan - I can criticize DAD, after all, I've been following these movies since 1977! But that doesn't mean I hated the movie. Hell, I liked it! I was just so let down by the last 45 minutes and those PATHETIC effects that it left a bad taste in my mouth. Kind of like diet soda.....