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[kevrichardson]

It sad to think that it has come down to this , people like Ewan McGregor as Bond . Invisable men , with no personality or as Peter Hunt put it "sexual assurance" . Just consider the men who screen tested for the role in the past and now what we face. it sad. here the list .
1.Michael Billington
2.Sam Neill
3.Hans DeVries
4. Robert Campbell
5.John Richardson
6.Patrick McGoohan
7.Anthony Rogers

Has western civilization finally come to it end ,if all we can come up with is Obi wan Kenobi as James Bond. Should the "Licence to Kill" be retired .

[BONDFINESSE 007]

I THINK WE BETTER WAIT AND SEE IF WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO SEARCH FOR A NEW BOND IN 2007, IT MIGHT BE 210

[JimmyBond]

Yeah, ok, why not piss on everyones opinion you know? If you dont agree on it they're obviously wrong eh?

[Xenobia]

Ah, Kevin, the force is strong with the young Jedi knight. And with McGregor or Hugh Jackman, at least we get men who can sing! ("Under the Mango Tree" anyone?)

For when it happens...here is my brief list:

1) Daniel Dykes
2) Hugh Jackman
3) Ewan McGregor
4) Dylan McDermot

[JimmyBond]

Aside from Number 4, I agree with ya Xen! Question though, can Daniel act? Wait, that never stopped Lazenby

[M_Balje]

I am prefer an New Bond in Bond 23 (2010)



Albert R Broccoli and Eon Production's present's
Clive Owen as Ian Fleming's Jamesbond 007 in "I Say it and Deliever".

Bond 24 (2010)

Albert R Broccoli and Eon Production's present's
Clive Owen as Ian Fleming's Jamesbond 007 in "Your live as Spy is in Danger".
The Seguel of "I Say it and Deliever"

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[Spectre001]

As much as I like Pierce I think he will have aged too much to still be around in 2010 and think he should bow out after Bond 21. I like your general idea for a movie title though M_Balje. Maybe not that one exactly but a James Bond sticking it to you title...that definitely rocks!

[Blofeld's Cat]

Nothing sad about it, when the time comes, and it's for all the right reasons.

I must admit to having a perverse sense of adventure when it's time to choose a replacement for PB when he decides to hang up his walther.

It will certainly create a huge flood of activity in these forums well before that actor's first Bond movie goes into production.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by Blofeld's Cat


a perverse sense of adventure when it's time to choose a replacement for PB when he decides to hang up his walther.

It will certainly create a huge flood of activity in these forums well before that actor's first Bond movie goes into production.

Perverse ! The names that are use a replacements for Brosnan . They are very perverse and sad. we where "blessed" that both Dalton and Brosnan were in the wings. I really doubt it will work out this time . I feel that it may mean the end of Bond.

[Blue Eyes]

1) Daniel Dykes

I read this thread through twice before noticing that. Geez you just made my day

[Blofeld's Cat]

To be quite honest Kev, I'm not really that interested in who might be in the running for Bond v.7, and whether they'll be suitable for the role or not.

The powers that be will make their choice at some point, and it's then that debate can really be taken up as to the merits of the decision. Before than it's all very crystal ball stuff and not very tangible.

[antonio damas]

I add to the list of prospective of becoming Agent 007 is Hugh Jackman, I think he got's the ball to do it.

[crashdrive]

I think there are a good number of candidates who would be interesting. Here is a list of potential actors.

1. Dominic West ('Chicago', '28 Days' & 'Mona Lisa Smile')
2. Hugh Jackman ('X Men', 'Swordfish' & 'Kate and Leopold')
3. Gerard Butler ('Reign of Fire', 'Timeline' & 'Lara Croft and the Cradle of Life')
4. Jack Davenport ('The Talented Mr. Ripley', 'Fierce Creatures' & 'Pirates of the Caribbean')
5. Jeremy Northam ('The Net', 'The Winslow Boy' & 'Enigma')
6. Ioan Gruffudd ('Hornblower', '102 Dalmatians' & 'Black Hawk Down')
7. Colin Wells (left) ('Titus', 'CI5: New Professionals' & "Crossroads")
8. Clive Owen ('The Bourne Identity', 'Gosford Park' & 'Croupier')
9. James Purefoy ('A Knights Tale', 'Resident Evil' & 'Maybe Baby')
10. None of the above (insert actor you think would be better)

I'm always open for suggestions, but we can rule out Colin Firth, Liam Neeson, Matthew Perry, Robbie Williams, Ewan McGregor, Dylan McDermott, Daniel Dykes, Adrian Paul, Hugh Grant, Jude Law, Goran Visnjic, Timothy Dalton, Orlando Bloom, Rob Lowe, Tom Hanks, Colin Salmon, Ben Cross, Rupert Everett and Geoffrey Moore

[Loomis]

From your list, crashdrive, I'd reluctantly have to choose Hugh Jackman. I don't think he'd be perfect for the role by any means, in fact I don't much care for him as an actor, but for some reason I'm convinced that a certain amount of "star power" will be required to follow Brosnan (yes, I know that none of the five Bond actors to date was particularly famous prior to taking the role, but I feel it would be very jarring to have an unknown in his late 20s or early 30s take over from Brosnan). Choice number two would be Clive Owen. As for "None of the above", I'd suggest Hugh Grant. As you put it in another thread, crashdrive, it's a case of selecting the richest man in the poorhouse.

[kevrichardson]

I am unable to see what is so great about Huge Jackman . I did not fine "X-Men" that great of a film. I do not see him as a Bond. The Only thing that prevents Northam is age , will Roger Moore was will over 40 when he became Bond.

[crashdrive]

If I were in charge, I'd probably pick Hugh Jackman as well. Again not perfect by any means, but good enough to continue the franchise and probably an actor audiences would accept.
I absolutely love Clive Owen, but I'm afraid he's just not the right type. He's even more a departure from the Bond persona than Dalton.
As for Hugh Grant is just too well-known. Audiences wouldn't believe Hugh as an action hero. He's just too posh for the part. He played tougher roles in 'Extreme Measures' and 'Bridget Jones' Diary', but still was too much the typical stumbling Englishman. Also he would be too expensive, wouldn't sign for three films and will be 47 when Bond 22 starts rolling.
My second choice is a tie between Jeremy Noprtham, Gerard Butler & Dominic West. I love Davenport but he has to age at least five years before he can get his hands on a Bond film. I'm sure he'll be perfect candidate in the future.

[kevrichardson]

Dalton was not a departure from the Bond persona. Hugh Grant is similar too casting Roland Coleman as Bond. What's the deal with the age thing , if that was the outlook then Moore would have never replace the younger(28 yo) Lazenby.

[crashdrive]

Originally posted by kevrichardson
Dalton was not a departure from the Bond persona.  Hugh Grant is similar too casting Roland Coleman as Bond.  What's the deal with the age thing , if that was the outlook then Moore would have never replace the younger(28 yo) Lazenby.

What do you mean Dalton wasn't a departure? He was far more sensitive than his predecessors. Also he wasn't a womanizer. Connery, Lazenby and Moore were.

Well, if you look at the people EON have approached they are always in their late twenties to early fourties. Moore was an exception, because he was EON's choice in 62 and became available after his show 'The Persuaders' cancelled. Also they needed a name after the Lazenby debacle. If EON really can't find a good candidate in 2007, I'm sure Northam will get an offer.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by crashdrive

What do you mean Dalton wasn't a departure? He was far more sensitive than his predecessors. Also he wasn't a womanizer. Connery, Lazenby and Moore were.
Well, if you look at the people EON have approached they are always in their late twenties to early fourties. Moore was an exception, because he was EON's choice in 62 and became available after his show 'The Persuaders' cancelled. Also they needed a name after the Lazenby debacle. If EON really can't find a good candidate in 2007, I'm sure Northam will get an offer.

Dalton get's a bad rap for every thing that was wrong with Bond in the late 1980'a . "TLD" had only one female interest for a reason . It was called "AID" , a decision was make to limit Bond's bed hopping. Well it worked for this one film. Bond does not alway need to jump from bitch to bitch . A little character development is also useful. I feel that this is one reason that "Casino Royale" gets a bad press. It has only one women , who oddly enough Bond falls in love with . Prior to "rejecting her". I know all the reason why Moore became Bond in 1973. He was a major international star . Lazenby was just a ****ing pussy. Let call a spade a spade. The famous played mind games with him. Had Dalton made a third Bond in 1992 , it would have given him more of a chance to be a "Romantic Leading Man". I.E. bed more babes , "LTK " was a start. The two chick were hot , right?

[Trueman Lodge]

I think it would be a grave mistake to let Hugh Grant be James Bond, he's just not right. I think that there is one person who people have forgotten about. Dougray Scot could be a very good James Bond. He's done action in Mission Impossible 2 and he is about the right age.

I also think there is a strong likelyhood, that there will not be a star name taking over the role after Pierce Brosnan.

[crashdrive]

Originally posted by kevrichardson
Dalton get's a bad rap for every thing that was wrong with Bond in the late 1980'a . "TLD" had only one female interest for a reason . It was called "AID" , a decision was make to limit Bond's bed hopping. Well it worrked for this one film.

It's not like Aids has been cured, still Brosnan brought back the womanizer quality of Bond, which I think is one of his key characteristics. Dalton however was too sensitive. He's not believable as the womanizer, so I think that's a big departure. I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing (I happen to like Dalton), but he wasn't liked by the general movie-going audiences. They love Brosnan however. I seriously doubt EON will hire another 'Dalton' (read: Owen) and instead hire an actor who is more like the other Bond actors (read: Jackman).

Originally posted by Trueman Lodge
I think that there is one person who people have forgotten about.  Dougray Scot could be a very good James Bond. He's done action in Mission Impossible 2 and he is about the right age.

Scott has said in interviews he declined an offer to play Bond, because he feels there is only one true Bond; Connery. Although I like Scott, I don't think he's handsome enough to play Bond. Yet my first choice is Dominic West, go figure

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by crashdrive

It's not like Aids has been cured, still Brosnan brought back the womanizer quality of Bond, which I think is one of his key characteristics. Dalton however was too sensitive. He's not believable as the womanizer, so I think that's a big departure. I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing (I happen to like Dalton), but he wasn't liked by the general movie-going audiences. They love Brosnan however. I seriously doubt EON will hire another 'Dalton' (read: Owen) and instead hire an actor who is more like the other Bond actors (read: Jackman)

I never read anything to support your theory that Dalton was against Bond' womenizing. Why take the role then . Christ look at all the moral mumbo-jumbo that Patrick McGoohan put himself through . Bond is the supreme male fantasy. Womenizing is a part of it. Plus Bond at least treates women as if there are important , have feelings and need love . Unlike Raymond Chandler or Mickey Spilliane ( you know " i smacked a broad in the teeth , and she enjoyed it.) . Dalton is a question mark , since i recall all the reviews of "TLD" . Which were good ,and "LTK" tested very well among audiences in 1989. The film (LTK) was "poorly" marketed . And had to go against a large number of "blockbuster' films that year. Just look at a partial listing . "The Abyss" ( James Cameron) "Batman" (Tim Burton) , Do the Right Thing(Spike Lee) , Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (Steven Spielberg) , Born on the Fourth of July (Oliver Stone) , Casualities of War (Brain De Palma) . This was some great films against a Bond film which even the producers had no idea as to how to market , yet even titled . Remember it was original called "License Revoked" . But it was changed .

[crashdrive]

Ask any casual Bond fan who do they like the least and you'll find Dalton's name is always the first (or second; hello Mr. Lazenby) to come up. Not because he did a bad job (I liked him), but because his portrayal of Bond was different from the rest. I know every Bond makes the part his own, but there are more simularities between Connery, Lazenby, Moore and Brosnan than Dalton. Physically he looked perfect, but he's more like Ian Fleming's Bond. The Bond of the big screen is far more larger than life.

Clive Owen, more so than Dalton, would be a departure from the image we have of Bond. He doesn't have the looks (something Dalton did have) or the sexual charisma (I don't think Dalton had that, although he did make up with it with acting ability and the will to do most of his own stunts).

Look this is not a discussion about the merrits of Dalton. I love Dalton. He was always my favorite Bond actor after Connery. But it's a fact that his portrayal of Bond was a lot more different than Brosnan's.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by crashdrive
Ask any casual Bond fan who do they like the least and you'll find Dalton's name is always the first (or second; hello Mr. Lazenby) to come up. Not because he did a bad job (I liked him), but because his portrayal of Bond was different from the rest. I know every Bond makes the part his own, but there are more simularities between Connery, Lazenby, Moore and Brosnan than Dalton. Physically he looked perfect, but he's more like Ian Fleming's Bond. The Bond of the big screen is far more larger than life.
Clive Owen, more so than Dalton, would be a departure from the image we have of Bond. He doesn't have the looks (something Dalton did have) or the sexual charisma (I don't think Dalton had that, although he did make up with it with acting ability and the will to do most of his own stunts).
Look this is not a discussion about the merrits of Dalton. I love Dalton. He was always my favorite Bond actor after Connery. But it's a fact that his portrayal of Bond was a lot more different than Brosnan's.

That's the problem !!! We are interested in the causal Bond fan. The idiot who grew up thinking that Roger Moore was the only James Bond in the world. These are the same ****ing idiot's who the producers cater too . under the belief that they are the only one's buying movies tickets . They are the reason the thread have prolonged debates as to if "FRWL" style film would work today. Dalton never had the chance that Brosnan gotten , better scripts , directors . He had John Glen ,granted he directed one of the best Bonds "FYEO" . Still he was no Martin Campbell or Michael Apted . I loved Richard Maibaum , yet he was finished by the time of "Octopussy" . Michael Wilson from what i understand has been forbidden to write Bond scripts by MGM.

[JimmyBond]

Well gee, the 'casual fan' are the ones that insure we'll have films every other year. Their are just not enough hardcore fans to allow Eon to only cater to us. The casual fan is the one that they worry about first.

[crashdrive]

Originally posted by kevrichardson
That's the problem !!!  We are interested in the causal Bond fan.

Dalton is just a completely different actor than the other Bond actors. He doesn't have that sexual magical quality we have discussed before. Same with Owen. Although they are both fine actors, who can be physical when it comes to actionscenes, they do not fit the quintessential Bond image. Dalton at least looked the part and due to the fact that his sensitivity was largely replaced with rage in 'Licence to Kill', his natural acting ability came to good use. Owen however is not so fortunate in the looks department.

EON cares about what the casual fans want, but it's not all they care about or else they would have never given the role to Dalton after the succes of the Moore Bond films. It was obvious then they wanted to go a different direction. With Brosnan, they're travelling the right direction. Why change course? That's why it's fairly obvious an actor like Hugh Jackman will probably be the actor EON is going to pursue.

[kevrichardson]

Dalton was the finest actor to in habit the role of James Bond. I fine all this "****" about his rage in "LTK" to be trash. After 13 years of Moore ,Dalton re-charged the series. Owen just does not have the ability to bring Bond to life. Dalton was handicapped by poor scripts and directions. Plus in the case of "LTK" which is a seminal Bond, poor marketing. "LTK" was the film which returned the realistic Bond to the cinema.

[crashdrive]

Originally posted by kevrichardson
Owen just does not have the ability to bring Bond to life.

My point is, if MGM wasn't happy with the boxoffice of the Dalton Bond films (although I agree this wasn't his fault), they would think twice before letting an actor like Owen, who has a simular acting style, take over the role from one of the most popular and succesfull Bonds, which is Brosnan.

[kevrichardson]

Originally posted by crashdrive

My point is, if MGM wasn't happy with the boxoffice of the Dalton Bond films (although I agree this wasn't his fault), they would think twice before letting an actor like Owen, who has a simular acting style, take over the role from one of the most popular and succesful Bonds, which is Brosnan.

MGM only has it's poor management to fault. "LTK" was a poorly marketed film. I don't consider Clive Owen in the league of Dalton as a actor. Brosnan is good as Bond , and the search for a replacement will be very hard . We agree onthis point , Owen is not Bond material.

[Johnson Galore]

It's not sad! Look how successfully this series has been transitioned over and over again. There is a great new Bond out there and it may not even be one of the names that gets thrown around on this list all the time. 1 more for Brosnan- max! He's in Octopussy territory right now and we don't want to have to see him in AVTAK- territory, do we?