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[HildebrandRarity]

Did you perhaps miss something at first? Not paying attention? Brain off first time? Which one is it?

Never changed your mind on anything HR?

I think Zencat has!

Well, do be a good bloke and write a revised review.

Honestly, I'd like to see a new review from you and will read it in all good conscience.

What say you?

[dee-bee-five]

Oh, by the way, totally off subject, but has anyone noticed a significant change in my signature line? Hint, look at the number!

Doesn't this deserve a thread of its own...? Congratulations.

[HildebrandRarity]

Oh, by the way, totally off subject, but has anyone noticed a significant change in my signature line? Hint, look at the number!

Congratulations!

Ditto! Boy or Girl? And, now that you've had your six, you done or you continuing with God's work?

[Daddy Bond]

Oh, by the way, totally off subject, but has anyone noticed a significant change in my signature line? Hint, look at the number!

Congratulations!

Ditto! Boy or Girl? And, now that you've had your six, you done or you continuing with God's work?

Thank you, and my wife is six 1/2 weeks along, so I don't know yet. But everything is going fine. If it's a boy, that will be four boys and two girls. If it's a girl, we'll have the Brady Bunch.

[DLibrasnow]

Oh, by the way, totally off subject, but has anyone noticed a significant change in my signature line? Hint, look at the number!

Congratulations

[_JW_]

Does Casino Royale polarise fans, though? With the exception of those few remaining CraigNotBonders, I'm under the impression the film is pretty much universally praised by fans. I'd put Casino Royale firmly in From Russia With Love/Goldfinger territory - a solid, gold hit.

Eh... maybe it's just me then. I'm not a CraigNotBonder, but I'm not high on CR either.

I recognize that it's your opinion, and perhaps it is only because of my lukewarm stance toward CR that I say this, but I feel that saying the film is in the FRWL/GF territory already is a tad presumptuous. Maybe if folks are still raving about it in twenty years time I'll agree with you .

[O.H.M.S.S.]

I would gave Die Another Day a 2/10, the lowest of all Bond movies. It was the first Bond movie I saw at the movies. I thought: Ian Fleming must be turning around in his grave.
But everybody has his own opinion of course.

[QOS007]

Im with O.H.M.S.S
the only movie that is worse is License to Kill

[Colossus]

I like DAD so pile on the ice palaces if you can spare it dammit.

[BlackFire]

I never took the time to read your review.. sorry, but I finished reading and I must say I agree with you 100% ..Accept it people, the CGI was 'good' for that time because times were changing, it was Pierce Brosnan 2001, not Sean Connery or Moore.

Even Madonna's song was cool for the time.. techno or semi electro or the hell the type is, sounded good.

Edited by BlackFire, 30 November 2008 - 02:56 AM.

[MkB]

I hereby predict that, in some years, we'll have a similar weird review thread "QoS: THE WORST BOND MOVIE EVER?" coming up regularly, and we'll ask ourselves: WTF?

[JimmyBond]

Accept it people, the CGI was 'good' for that time because times were changing, it was Pierce Brosnan 2001, not Sean Connery or Moore.

Good for the times? Lord of the Rings (and Harry Potter) were pulling off effects that looked much much better. The CGI in DAD was crappy no matter how you look at it.

[O.H.M.S.S.]

James Bond does NOT need CGI. Please let it never happen again.

[jamie00007]

The CGI was not good for the times. FAR from it. Most movies at the time were way more advanced (look at LOTR for example) The CGI was about level with any B grade action movie at the time (I would say that the crashing plane was WAY below the level even for them) but I expect better from a Bond movie.

I hate that they used CGI to begin with, but the fact that it was so poorly done makes it worse. Its a Bond film, couldnt they have afforded something a little better? Was ILM too busy?

[Gothamite]

I agree with whoever said that DAD worked as a 'last hurrah' to the 'sci-fi silliness Bond' films. We now have Bond back where he should be, in realistic, gritty thrillers and while QoS wasn't a masterpiece, I still don't have any qualms as to the direction of the franchise. Therefore, I can enjoy DAD for what it is: a fun, leave-your-brain-at-the-door swansong for the Bond I grew up with. With a better script and the surfing scene left aside, the movie would sit a lot less tentatively on my top 5 list. But as for the rest of the CGI? Why not? It's Pierce and he makes it work.

[Publius]

Makes one wonder if all those vigorously defending Quantum of Solace now will still be as adamant about their beliefs in 10 years from now?! Who knows.

Probably. I still feel the same way about CR, and the Daltons, and OHMSS, and FRWL, etc. My first impression is generally very reliable, even though I'm always extremely open to changing my mind.

As for DAD, I must be in the minority, because when I saw it I had only seen the other Brosnans in their entirety and this one almost made me swear off Bond movies altogether. It was being convinced to see TLD that hooked me on the series, the rest of which I insisted I see in order, fortunate because I was able to start strong with what are still some of my favorites.

[David_M]

I just want to say it's awesome that after 6 years this thread is still going strong. There's a perverse pleasure in this being one of the longest-lived threads on the internet while the film itself has pretty much vanished from public consciousness.

Well, that's not totally fair. Probably 20 years from now, the filmmakers will still be defending their latest excesses by saying, "Hey, it's not like we put an invisible car in it!"

[Dr.Mirakle32]

As ridiculous as the film is, I completely admire it for what it is: a modern day, big-budget throw-back to the big, borderline sci-fi, extravaganza Bonds like MOONRAKER, DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER and YOLT. Overall, it is my second favorite Brosnan after GOLDENEYE, and I still enjoy it for what it is.

It may have to do with it being my first Bond in a theater, but I'm watching it on Blu Ray, and I really don't understand why snobbier fans can't have fun with it. There's a time and a place for the "gritty" Bond like LTK, CR and QoS, but there's also the time and place for the fun, goofy Bond like DAD.

By the way, it makes for a great double feature with CR, as they both are the epitomes of the two kinds of cinematic Bond, despite sharing many visual similarites. One could even watch CR first and DAD second; the former is Bond's "realistic" first mission, and the latter is his outlandish last (the fact that Judi Dench is in both really connects the two.)

Edited by Dr.Mirakle32, 17 December 2008 - 04:42 AM.

[Quincy]

I believe Ebert said this as well. Though GF is his fav, he said DAD was the "best".

[00Twelve]

This thread's not leaving anytime soon, so I might as well muse here.

I was thinking today about how cool it might have been for DAD to have been a much more faithful adaptation of Moonraker, and how there would still have been plenty of room for homages.

I don't mean an entire rehaul, but I would have loved to have seen the bridge game with Graves. It might have been interesting to watch the dynamic knowing that Graves knew exactly who Bond was while Bond was oblivious to Grave's identity. And there could have been a similar shot to Connery's iconic intro that would have served as a much nicer homage to DN than Ms. Berry's hip-jerking intro. It would have been fun to have seen Broz attempt Connery's "Bond, James Bond" in the same way, from behind a plume of cigarette smoke. Meh?

I think a weaselly Krebs type would have made for a more iconic henchman as well. A nasty little beast of a man who was dedicated to his leader unto death and not a physical match for Bond. Graves was enough of a physical match anyway.

Not really being a Jinx fan to begin with, there's also the oft-mentioned wish for Ms. Frost to have been Ms. Brand with no betrayal (but there'd have HAD to have been some nookie in the end for such a tribute piece). The scene in the book on the beach between Bond and Brand is one of my favorite "icebreaking" scenes in the canon.

As for the globe-hopping, there's still room for all that, what with the gene therapy and such. The location wouldn't have had to have been Dover as in MR, but the cliffs made that a pretty iconic locale (ahem, EON?). The car chase could have been in the film as well, with plenty of opportunity for all the crazy gadgetry.

Anyway, I'm just waxing poetic on what could have been. DAD is what it is, and unfortunately we probably won't see any more viable adapted material from MR that still hasn't made it onscreen.

[Jim]

This thread is older than one of my children and, given the way he behaved in yesterday's truly pathetic school Nativity play, I am beginning to prefer it to him.

[Gothamite]

This thread is older than one of my children and. given the way he behaved in yesterday's truly pathetic school Nativity play, I am beginning to prefer it to him.

The funniest and most perversely feel-good post I've read on a web forum in a long while.

Thank you for lifting my spirits, kind sir. Even if it's for all the wrong reasons.

[DaveBond21]

There's a perverse pleasure in this being one of the longest-lived threads on the internet while the film itself has pretty much vanished from public consciousness.

I am not sure about where you are, but here in Australia, when Die Another Day is on TV, it gets a big fanfare and good TV adverts for it, all week leading up to the Friday night.

[Jim]

Ah, regular as clockwork, a bumping of this thread. In future, I shall use it to note the passing of the seasons.

[00Twelve]

Why wait on the future? Doesn't this herald the coming of summer for the northern hemisphere?

[Jim]

Why wait on the future? Doesn't this herald the coming of summer for the northern hemisphere?

'Tis true - the lark ascends, the swallows fly high, the fields are bounteous with wildflowers and Zencat's DAD thread gets an airing - ah, summer's lease.

That line about the tedious inevitability of an unloved season springs to mind; but I like summer, and I like this thread. It makes me laugh.

[DaveBond21]

Why wait on the future? Doesn't this herald the coming of summer for the northern hemisphere?

'Tis true - the lark ascends, the swallows fly high, the fields are bounteous with wildflowers and Zencat's DAD thread gets an airing - ah, summer's lease.

That line about the tedious inevitability of an unloved season springs to mind; but I like summer, and I like this thread. It makes me laugh.

In 2509, we will all be dead, civilisation as we know it will have ceased to exist, the ice caps will have well and truly melted, and an alien race will control the Earth. but zencat's Die Another Day review will still be here.

[Tarl_Cabot]

Mercy.

[Tybre]

Why wait on the future? Doesn't this herald the coming of summer for the northern hemisphere?

'Tis true - the lark ascends, the swallows fly high, the fields are bounteous with wildflowers and Zencat's DAD thread gets an airing - ah, summer's lease.

That line about the tedious inevitability of an unloved season springs to mind; but I like summer, and I like this thread. It makes me laugh.

In 2509, we will all be dead, civilisation as we know it will have ceased to exist, the ice caps will have well and truly melted, and an alien race will control the Earth. but zencat's Die Another Day review will still be here.

I wonder what they'll make of it.

[Colossus]

DAD BEST BOND!!! Nourish it well, give it a chicken. Make sure it's strong. Then we'll give it and then it will.... tell us everything.