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MGM: 007 films to come out on a 3-4 year cycle


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#601 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 02:01 PM

I wonder why this actually has happened.

 

With CR it seemed that EON had a clear grasp on what they wanted to do with Bond.  Purvis & Wade even conceived the story with a sequel.  And judging from their plans (laid out in The Bond Archives) it would have made absolute sense and brought closure to that story.

 

Instead, it appears to me that EON caught the bug of "we can be legitmate now".  Haggis was, again, brought in because he was Oscar´s darling at that time.  And to add to that they decided that an arthouse director like Marc Forster should helm and therefore shape the whole thing.  

 

Granted, it was bad timing with the writer´s strike leading to the "lego bricks"-method (great image, Dustin!) for the first time.  But still, it seems that EON began to think about not just getting a great Bond film but delivering something that would garner them critical acclaim and respect.

 

That did not really happen, however, and instead Daniel Craig was reportedly the first one to bring in Sam Mendes.  That must have appealed to EON´s new "prestige thinking".  So he was given much more freedom - and with SKYFALL it seemed that this is the way to go.  Less EON influence, more acclaimed Oscar-director-creation.  

 

With SPECTRE, it seems that EON stepped back even more so, desperately waiting for Mendes to return and letting him decide, obviously, on how things should turn out.

 

It looks to me that they have moved themselves into a corner here.

 

The current other franchises only seem to be able to move forward because there is a firm producing hand that actually decides, plans, maps out and keeps the director in check.

 

Reminds me of the "old" EON.

 

But is EON still willing to do that?  Or does MGW rather step back and retire and does BB rather concentrate on other films that might add to her legacy as "not just" the producer of Bond films but of prize-worthy endeavours?



#602 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 03:31 PM

And SONY just committed to keeping the motion picture branch intact, laying out plans how to move on despite a major write-off year:

 

http://variety.com/2...oss-1201973089/

 

Judging from this, they might still want to keep Bond distribution rights.



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Posted 30 January 2017 - 07:06 PM

This Telegraph interview with Purvis & Wade is new to me. Anyone willing to cut/paste it as I can't get passed the pay wall?


Edited by DavidJones, 30 January 2017 - 07:06 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2017 - 07:14 PM

Given the acclaim the Craig era has gotten, in comparison to say Brosnan's run or Sony's other attempts at franchise work, I imagine they're keen to keep Bond. Just speculation.



#605 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 05:54 AM

This Telegraph interview with Purvis & Wade is new to me. Anyone willing to cut/paste it as I can't get passed the pay wall?

 

The denofgeek-article quotes the relevant passages here: http://www.denofgeek...challenge-ahead



#606 Dustin

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 06:30 AM

However, Sony adjusted the value of its film branch too. This indicates projected returns of operations are expected lower. On the one hand this makes it easier to be pleasantly surprised by the performance of the odd production - but it also limits the number and scale of the tent pole projects. Bond might just fit into that portfolio if the balance and returns are sensible enough.

#607 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 11:31 AM

It remains a puzzle why distribution rights for one of the most famous and consistent movie franchises are left on the table after a series of films in that franchise making those insane sums of money.

 

If Sony looses Bond it will put a dent into their operation, no matter what, at least reputation-wise.



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Posted 31 January 2017 - 11:41 AM



This Telegraph interview with Purvis & Wade is new to me. Anyone willing to cut/paste it as I can't get passed the pay wall?

 
The denofgeek-article quotes the relevant passages here: http://www.denofgeek...challenge-ahead
Honestly, I think writers overthink things way too much. If Bond 25 went out of its way to make political commentary, I'd be annoyed to be honest. We have enough preaching already. The world is split on these issues more than ever, and taking a position either way (bias is inevitable) would be most unwise. Especially if you were in disagreement with said representation. Bond doesn't have to be a perfect time capsule of the era, adding in every little detail to be 'truly authentic'. Just give me an entertaining film. The contemporary aspects take care of themselves. Dynamite's Bond comics routinely deliver the goods and that's where they should be looking.

#609 SecretAgentFan

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 12:40 PM

Seems like that would be the typical Bond approach: use a villain that cannot be mistaken for any political leader.

 

But it does create a situation in which Bond, as the UK government´s problem solver, becomes more anachronistic again, after the last years in which at least some attempts were made to connect the character to real life situations.



#610 Dustin

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 01:17 PM

I think there is little doubt about where 'the Bond-factory' is standing in general. But they will of course avoid any definite statement in their product, simply because they always did.

Not that this would make any difference though, should they be targeted...

Most likely BOND 25 and further entries will revert back into fantasy-spy territory.

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 01:45 PM

It remains a puzzle why distribution rights for one of the most famous and consistent movie franchises are left on the table after a series of films in that franchise making those insane sums of money.

 

 

Well said!



#612 Dustin

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 01:47 PM

Simply put: because the cake isn't divided into equal pieces.

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 02:26 PM

What Dustin said, MGM want far too large a cut considering how little they contribute - with Sony they actually had something to barter with to get that, the rest of the Spider-man film rights, so Sony were okay with it as they could weigh it up with the profits Spier-man films could (and indeed DID) bring in as a worthy trade off - MGM no longer have that bargaining chip (and Spider-man is no longer the golden goose for Sony it once was - hence the Marvel deal thy now have)



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Posted 31 January 2017 - 02:32 PM

Simply put: because the cake isn't divided into equal pieces.

 

True.  But still, I wonder, why nobody is rushing in and getting even the crumbles MGM allows to be collected.  This is Bond, after all, and while SONY got a bad deal, it still guarantees them a reliable sum of money which is better than... well, nothing.



#615 Dustin

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 03:06 PM

I think if we could listen in to the private musings of the studio top brass right now we would hear a damn frightened chorus. They always knew one day one of the big tent pole productions would tank. And they always knew it would happen at the worst possible moment. But nobody ever truly believed the worst possible moment would actually arrive.

Right now they are a big deal more anxious, for a whole army of reasons.

That too will change again - in time - but right at the moment they would give a lot to fast forward the calendar six months and see how the waters are by then.

I think it's reasonable to expect some kind of development this year, by hook or by crook. But right now signing a contract that will bind your company and its funds for a couple of years, with capital of between $ 250 and $ 500 million and returns we can't as yet solidly estimate? Phew...

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 03:58 PM

Agreed.

 

But especially in this climate - can there be a more fool-proof franchise than Bond?  (Apart from Star Wars and Marvel, of course, which are already taken.)

 

If SONY cannot dare to make promises anymore - they truly are scraping the bottom of the barrel -, WB going all in with the DC properties and the below expectations "Fantastic Beasts"-franchise, Disney occupied and set with "Star Wars" and "Marvel", right now it seems that Fox could be the most probable suitors since their X-MEN franchise is at an impasse and they are in need for another franchise.



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Posted 02 February 2017 - 08:15 AM

And here´s a more detailed account on Sony´s losses last year: http://www.hollywood...rly-loss-970901

 

Interesting: SPECTRE gets singled out for being responsible for the much better year before.

 

Sony does need Bond, it seems, even under the not so great distribution deal it brightens Sony´s prospects.



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Posted 05 February 2017 - 12:31 AM

 

 


This Telegraph interview with Purvis & Wade is new to me. Anyone willing to cut/paste it as I can't get passed the pay wall?

 
The denofgeek-article quotes the relevant passages here: http://www.denofgeek...challenge-ahead
Honestly, I think writers overthink things way too much. If Bond 25 went out of its way to make political commentary, I'd be annoyed to be honest. We have enough preaching already. The world is split on these issues more than ever, and taking a position either way (bias is inevitable) would be most unwise. Especially if you were in disagreement with said representation. Bond doesn't have to be a perfect time capsule of the era, adding in every little detail to be 'truly authentic'. Just give me an entertaining film. The contemporary aspects take care of themselves. Dynamite's Bond comics routinely deliver the goods and that's where they should be looking.

 

 

Agreed. To quote Dr. Evil "Oh hell, let's just do what we always do. Hijack some nuclear weapons and hold the world hostage. Yeah? Good!"



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Posted 25 February 2017 - 12:02 AM

Potentiality interesting development...

https://hmssweblog.w...y-post-reports/

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Posted 25 February 2017 - 01:24 PM

Potentiality interesting development...

https://hmssweblog.w...y-post-reports/

 

Made even more interesting by the Wall Street Journal which is reporting that talks have broken down on a deal between MGM and a Chinese company.

https://www.wsj.com/...wood-1487965450



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Posted 25 February 2017 - 05:23 PM

Well that's just typical.



#622 Napoleon Solo

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Posted 25 February 2017 - 06:47 PM

The Chinese talks probably explain why no Bond 25 distribution deal. MGM's Gary Barber, from his perspective, had something much bigger on his mind. Now, the Chinese have gone away (per The Wall Street Journal).

MGM's next investor call (scheduled sometime in the second half of March) might be interesting. 



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Posted 25 February 2017 - 07:32 PM

Absolutely.

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Posted 26 February 2017 - 01:40 PM

Oh, boy.  MGM in freefall again - dragging Bond with them...



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Posted 27 February 2017 - 10:57 AM

I would love to hear what sort of machinations are being considered by Eon to get out from under the MGM dead weight.

 

I wonder if in fact anything can be considered outside of the 'Can Eon offer to buy themselves out?' scenario.  Is everything else wrapped up so tight that not even a 'Failure to make good' clause could be brought about to release them?

 

It does make me believe Cubby was so big hearted to have forgiven Harry for this debacle with his invite to Harry for the FYEO premiere.  I would be seething still.



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Posted 27 February 2017 - 11:28 AM

I guess MGM would have to go bankrupt so others could attempt to buy their Bond rights.  Other than that MGM will hold on to Bond as long as they can because... there is nothing else there which could get them more money.



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Posted 27 February 2017 - 12:38 PM

Feel very sorry for Eon really.  Must be gut wrenching to have this hanging over them, especially since now, all other loose ends have been tidied up with regard to NSNA, SPECTRE, Blofeld, Casino Royale et al.



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Posted 27 February 2017 - 12:44 PM

It really is the "gift" that keeps on giving...



#629 Professor Pi

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Posted 27 February 2017 - 05:34 PM

This is similar to how the six year gap in the early 90s started ...



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Posted 27 February 2017 - 05:40 PM

I'm trying to shake the feeling that Craig with go the way of Dalton.

 

 

 

(Albeit with twice as many films under his belt...)