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[Toxteth_OGrady]

Does this give a hint as to the release date?

http://jamesbondthes...e-date-for.html

[sharpshooter]

That would be the best case scenario. I just hope there's more going on behind the scenes that nobody knows about.

[Dustin]

I certainly agree releasing the book at roughly the same time as the film couldn't hurt. But as for any deeper knowledge of IFP on the matter... I think it's probably more guesswork than anything else. 2018 still seems like a possible year for a Bond film. And if they manage to get one off the ground it's likely to be released late in the year. So we might as well wait a few months with our book. Seems perfectly reasonable.

The reason could also simply be that Horowitz is just a very busy writer with a tight schedule. If he doesn't start until autumn 2017 he probably also doesn't want to be in a hurry to deliver his book.

In any case there should at least be a little development within the next three months on the MGM front, otherwise I doubt they will be able to make it in 2018.

[DaveBond21]

I certainly agree releasing the book at roughly the same time as the film couldn't hurt. But as for any deeper knowledge of IFP on the matter... I think it's probably more guesswork than anything else. 2018 still seems like a possible year for a Bond film. And if they manage to get one off the ground it's likely to be released late in the year. So we might as well wait a few months with our book. Seems perfectly reasonable.

The reason could also simply be that Horowitz is just a very busy writer with a tight schedule. If he doesn't start until autumn 2017 he probably also doesn't want to be in a hurry to deliver his book.

In any case there should at least be a little development within the next three months on the MGM front, otherwise I doubt they will be able to make it in 2018.

 

Very good point. If we're going to get a October-November 2018 release for the next movie, then work needs to start now; principal photography in the next few months, and an announcement in November (just 10 months away). It doesn't seem likely right now. I hope I am wrong.

 

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[Dustin]

You could no doubt arrange some things behind the scenes. But without knowing a studio and without knowing a budget...you get ever so far before you arrive at a wall. And this you can only break with a detailed plan. Even for a script you have to have roughly an idea what amount to spend on stunts and set pieces. For this kind of thing, even though you've got a very experienced team of producers, you'd still need a set of executives to sign for the 'go'.

[SecretAgentFan]

I´m not sure but - was a new Bond novel ever published in the same month as a film was released?  I seem to remember that there was always some time between those two events.  In that regard, pushing the new novel to October 2018 seems to indicate that they do not think a new film will be out then.

 

That does not have to mean that BOND 25 will not appear in 2018 at all.  But what if the powers that be have decided to put Bond back into summer to distance its release from the Star Wars bonanza that now regularly will dominate December and cut into the repeat business for November-Bond?

 

A surefire summer hit has become rarer - unless it´s a Marvel film - which might be another argument for moving Bond into summer again.

 

I´d bet on that, actually.

[Dustin]

This is a good idea, haven't looked at it this way. It would make Bond stand out a little more. But then a summer release of BOND 25 seems not very realistic unless a lot starts happening very soon.

[SecretAgentFan]

Yes, therefore it probably appears more credible that BOND 25 will come in summer 2019, with the novel just a little reminder that there is such a thing as James Bond in October 2018.

 

Or could it actually be - with release patterns changing - that BOND 25 will be released in February or March 2019?  Seems that this window is always producing one big action film.  This year it is probably LOGAN.

[Dustin]

Have received this morning one of these newsletters that recently have to chew on pretty much thin air and little else; they argued very convincingly that 2018 from experience seems almost certainly a year without a Bond by now. Previously major announcements were made ten months before actual shooting began. Since we hear absolutely zero news it stands to reason that's because there is nothing new, in no direction, way, shape or form.

Under that premise 2019 seems the next best bet.

[SecretAgentFan]

Sad but probable.

[DavidJones]

I've believed autumn 2019 will be it since Spectre came out, so it will be a pleasant surprise if it happens earliwer.

[SecretAgentFan]

It sure looks more credible at this stage.

 

Hmm, maybe EON really is waiting for MGM to collapse... 

[Toxteth_OGrady]

Naomie Harris signs up for a new project (which sounds absolutely awful).  No idea how this will affect her participation in Bond 25 (if at all)

 

http://www.gamespot....v/1100-6447264/

[SecretAgentFan]

No problem.  Since a) there is no Bond movie to collide with it and even if production for BOND 25 started in a year, Harris´ scenes would probably be filmed within a few days that could be squeezed in any schedule.

[Tiin007]

I'd actually prefer Harris to be busy with another film while Bond 25 is filming. That way, Moneypenny's screentime can be reduced to what it was in the days of yore. 

[sharpshooter]

Give up on waiting for Bond movie news. I have.

[DavidJones]

Give up on waiting for Bond movie news. I have.

I have too. The Bond films are no longer an active franchise, really. They make a film every so often, like Sherlock do.

[Professor Pi]

I was really hoping for a November 2018 release since Marvel hasn't claimed that spot yet.

 

Let's see, between SPECTRE and the next Bond movie we will have seen an entire Star Wars trilogy, and a few "stories."  We will most likely have another Indiana Jones movie before Bond 25.  There will have have been two rebooted Star Trek movies by then, another Mission Impossible movie and most likely another movie from that other spy with the initials JB. 

 

During the years from Skyfall to SPECTRE, there was the entire Hunger Games franchise.  In 2008 while EON was filming Craig's second movie, the Marvel Cinematic Universe was born and within less than a decade took the top spot from Bond among all time grossing movie franchises.  By the time Bond 25 starts filming, the MCU will have tied the number of movies put out (25), and far exceeded it before the next 007 is released.  If Harry Potter hasn't surpassed Bond, JK Rowling's Wizarding World has as a franchise with its latest entry.  With the DCEU counted, Batman will have surpassed Bond by the time B25 comes out.  Given that the Avengers has $3B with just two movies, they too will overtake Bond by 2019.  While EON debates how to distribute and who to portray Bond, Jurassic Park/World, Fast and Furious, and Pirates of the Carribean might overtake them as those franchises are all actively in production.

 

Under Craig we've had gaps of 2 years, 4 years (2x counting DAD to CR), and 3 years.  Now it's looking like the next gap will be 5 years.  This is what the 90s felt like, Bond fans.

[S K Y F A L L]

Back from the dead. 

 

Hello everybody. 

 

Wish I could like all these wicked posts. Been saying for years this franchise needs help badly. The gaps IMO have become like stains on the series and I have been losing my interest for 007. I joined another forum 'the force .net' unfortunately the 007 thread there is a joke. Anyway I'm still hoping for a Nov 2019 release for Bond 25. Then they can end Craig's tenure and take even more time off to get their sad little act together for all I care. To leave the fans in the dark for this long is just disrespectful IMO. Bond 25 better be the best film ever made. 

[DaveBond21]

I was really hoping for a November 2018 release since Marvel hasn't claimed that spot yet.

 

Let's see, between SPECTRE and the next Bond movie we will have seen an entire Star Wars trilogy, and a few "stories."  We will most likely have another Indiana Jones movie before Bond 25.  There will have have been two rebooted Star Trek movies by then, another Mission Impossible movie and most likely another movie from that other spy with the initials JB. 

 

During the years from Skyfall to SPECTRE, there was the entire Hunger Games franchise.  In 2008 while EON was filming Craig's second movie, the Marvel Cinematic Universe was born and within less than a decade took the top spot from Bond among all time grossing movie franchises.  By the time Bond 25 starts filming, the MCU will have tied the number of movies put out (25), and far exceeded it before the next 007 is released.  If Harry Potter hasn't surpassed Bond, JK Rowling's Wizarding World has as a franchise with its latest entry.  With the DCEU counted, Batman will have surpassed Bond by the time B25 comes out.  Given that the Avengers has $3B with just two movies, they too will overtake Bond by 2019.  While EON debates how to distribute and who to portray Bond, Jurassic Park/World, Fast and Furious, and Pirates of the Carribean might overtake them as those franchises are all actively in production.

 

Under Craig we've had gaps of 2 years, 4 years (2x counting DAD to CR), and 3 years.  Now it's looking like the next gap will be 5 years.  This is what the 90s felt like, Bond fans.

 

For me, the early 90s were worse, because I honestly believed that there would never be another Bond movie. It felt like it was a 1960s-80s thing and that it was all over. I was very happy when I heard they were coming back in 1994.

[Simon]

Someone above bleats on and on about numerous other franchises that have achieved swathes of goodness over comparatively little time compared to how often a Bond film is released in the present day..

 

MCU and Hunger Games and Harry Potter all have, or had, an almost finite period of time to get their product out there and into the world.  Movies were made back to back and an audience that was swiftly made, and kept for a duration, has now also been lost as, of the aforementioned, Hunger Games and Harry Potter have come to an end.

 

Back in the 60's when Bond was a brand new thing, these films too came out every year.

 

I do wonder why people persist in comparing a 50+ year old series of films with something that happened, beginning to end, in the last decade...  By way of contrast, Indiana Jones and Mission Impossible films are less prolific, and yet they manage to find an audience every few years...

 

And as to whether something is 'considered relevant', if the world press continue to speculate as to the next Bond film, or who plays Bond next, I daresay it all is still relevant.  And by this, I mean the wider paying public as opposed to eight Bond fans on a message board.

[Tiin007]

I was really hoping for a November 2018 release since Marvel hasn't claimed that spot yet.

 

Let's see, between SPECTRE and the next Bond movie we will have seen an entire Star Wars trilogy, and a few "stories."  We will most likely have another Indiana Jones movie before Bond 25.  There will have have been two rebooted Star Trek movies by then, another Mission Impossible movie and most likely another movie from that other spy with the initials JB. 

 

During the years from Skyfall to SPECTRE, there was the entire Hunger Games franchise.  In 2008 while EON was filming Craig's second movie, the Marvel Cinematic Universe was born and within less than a decade took the top spot from Bond among all time grossing movie franchises.  By the time Bond 25 starts filming, the MCU will have tied the number of movies put out (25), and far exceeded it before the next 007 is released.  If Harry Potter hasn't surpassed Bond, JK Rowling's Wizarding World has as a franchise with its latest entry.  With the DCEU counted, Batman will have surpassed Bond by the time B25 comes out.  Given that the Avengers has $3B with just two movies, they too will overtake Bond by 2019.  While EON debates how to distribute and who to portray Bond, Jurassic Park/World, Fast and Furious, and Pirates of the Carribean might overtake them as those franchises are all actively in production.

 

Under Craig we've had gaps of 2 years, 4 years (2x counting DAD to CR), and 3 years.  Now it's looking like the next gap will be 5 years.  This is what the 90s felt like, Bond fans.

 

Brilliantly put. 

 

And I'd argue that perhaps this is the downside of Bond remaining a family business, rather than the property of a big corporation. 

 

I really think Disney could do wonders for Bond. 

[Professor Pi]

Don't get me wrong, I like all those franchises.  But most of them I see the movies just once.  James Bond is the only one where I consume the movies, soundtracks, books, dvds, blurays, posters, and various collectibles.  It's also the only one whose movies I watch repeatedly.  Plus, as a franchise decades long old, it's one of the few that has become sort of a companion in life.  I remember which ones I saw in high school, on dates, with my wife and her son, the last one my mom saw, the last one I took my dad to, the ones I've seen with the same friends through the years, and recently, the preview showings the night before.

 

Star Wars can have gaps because it finishes its story arcs, same for Star Trek and MCU characters.  Likewise, the franchises set in other times and worlds.  But Bond is of the moment, always set in our present world.  So when EON does not or cannot commit to Bond every 2-3 years, I can't help but feel abandoned, disappointed, and let down by what historically was a dependable presence in life every few years.  It's the one franchise I expect to outlive me.

[SecretAgentFan]

Getting no news on BOND 25 is frustrating for us fans, definitely.

 

But, really, it´s early 2017.  It´s still possible to get news for the next film corresponding to the - in the Craig era not unnatural - three year-cycle, with a production start date in December and a release date in November 2018.

 

Of course, I am jumping at every scrap of rumour on the internet, too - but let´s remind ourselves all: if someone gets quoted on some website that they did not hear about any movement on BOND 25...

 

... it does not mean anything.

 

 

BOND is a franchise that has survived for more than 50 years now.  It is an established commodity and a major and strong source of making big time money.  It will not be abandoned.

 

Right now, it just has two real impediments to overcome:

 

- MGM having to give the next distributor a bigger cut of the revenues

 

- Daniel Craig agreeing to return as Bond

 

 

Both problems will be solved, one way or the other.  And while I would prefer Bond films to come every two years like they did in their first two decades, I can see the reasoning behind the idea of making them more of an event.  

 

I do believe that EON would have preferred a situation where a distributor is firmly in place and a main actor is eager to play Bond again and again.  It´s just not how things turned out.

[Dustin]

Indeed.

In all of this we mustn't forget that the current situation isn't Eon's fault. Nor do they have the necessary leverage to change a lot about it. Eon want to do successful and entertaining films and they no doubt want to continue doing them. A large part of this frustrating doldrums is due to the fact huge productions in the Bond class nowadays need a year and more in preparation if you operate on Eon's scale. It still is possible things may move soon. And once they do they probably will move at a steady pace.

Once more, if things had just been a little different - no Sony leaks for example - then we probably would already know about BOND 25. But even as is, with no signs of progress showing, the situation is still worlds away from that after LTK. Back then legal shenanigans grounded 007 for years - and it could just as well have been for much longer than it did. Nothing today looks even remotely this dire.

[DavidJones]

I hope Disney buy it. I think they will be much better organized and maybe have scripts developing in the background while a film is being shot.

[SecretAgentFan]

Disney, if actually asked, would only be part of the distribution process.  They would not develop scripts - this is EON´s domain.

[Hockey Mask]

I like to think EON has extended the first olive branch toward Disney with the Mickey Mouse line in SPECTRE.

[SecretAgentFan]

While the Telegraph interview has been debated here before, Den of Geek picked up on it, quoting the Telegraph interview with Purvis & Wade today, saying that Purvis effectively retired from writing for Bond: http://www.denofgeek...challenge-ahead

 

It certainly remains an interesting question: Would it be likely that Wade alone continued?  Doubtful, I believe, since they still work as a team on other projects.  In any event, it seems that they only reluctantly came back to concoct a kind of workable script for SPECTRE (they had previously announced after SKYFALL that they would not come back).  

 

Also, if one gets the impression from SPECTRE that the film is full of individual scenes but not one really coherent story - this is exactly how the script was shaped.  According to Purvis they wrote scene after scene and the powers that be only decided afterwards what they wanted, and that it was Mendes who decided on that.

 

This is a highly troubling process of working - and it displays a total lack of vision, an atmosphere of chaos, probably in fear of having to film and deliver something.

 

No wonder why anybody involved does not want to go back to work on BOND 25 after that.

 

But the question that arises is this: if nobody had a clear idea of what SPECTRE should be about, revealing a creative bankruptcy behind the scenes, is it possible that this still is an ongoing problem?

 

Judging from that it appears that the real crisis the Bond franchise is in right now does not just derive from the search for a distributor or a main actor unwiling to commit.  The real crisis seems to be that EON does not know how to proceed.

 

The last time they were in this rut they decided to reboot completely.

 

But there is no going back to a previously unfilmed Fleming novel anymore.  So...  with the reliable writing duo probably out for good, EON has the chance to get a real fresh start now.  

 

I just hope that they will stop going to acclaimed filmmakers like Mendes who at least was not inspired to deliver a throughly engaging story in SPECTRE (and, let´s face it, even SKYFALL was rather strong in moments than in a logically sound story).

 

It´s high time that great storytellers should be put in charge, with a director who wants to serve the story - not the other way round.

[Dustin]

Well, so far about character arcs and greater vision. Most fans seem to be better equipped in that department than the actual Bond-factory. Not that this surprises me, I've argued for some time that the event horizon in the Bond-verse extends precisely to the premier night. Everything beyond that happens very much just as the whimsy takes them.

Still, somewhat sad this resembles now building something with lego bricks - where you decide what exactly it's going to be as you go along. It's understandable how in the end nobody feels really happy with the result. Even though it still is a smashing success in monetary terms.