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#151 Guy Haines

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 10:09 AM

I didn't see the script. I was aware of leaks but took them all with a pinch of salt. What intrigued me from the outset though was how Oberhauser became head of SPECTRE, hence my frequent attempts the square that particular circle on the "Who is Oberhauser?" thread. What happened in the movie, as I've already commented on, was something I should have seen coming but didn't. It was quite clever. It meant that the villain was who he said he was in the end - but that Bond was right as well in his identification, at least initially, even if he was proved wrong about what he thought he knew of Oberhauser's fate up to this adventure.

 

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 10:33 AM

I saw this at 8pm last night, then walked outside, stood thinking for 15mins then walked back in for the 11:10pm showing. Got into bed at 2:25am and in woke for work at 6:40am. I'm done. BUT apologies this is so long, but if I cant vent my review here on a Bond site I've nowhere else to vent it!  :)
 
'SPECTRE' (2015)

Overall this film, personally, was more enjoyable than ‘Skyfall’. While it has strong points and weak points, as all the Bond films do, this felt like it was Craig’s first “classic” James Bond. Yes, we don’t need to repeat the nostalgia of the past, but we can’t deny there is a winning formula audiences want to see from their 007 regardless of the actor of the era. And those elements are there more so than before; the established mission, a memorable villain and henchman, the Bond girls, the car chase, the stunts, the action, the Vodka Martini.

THE CAST:

• Daniel Craig finally shows us his established James Bond 007 here. Teased over 9 years and so close to getting there in ‘Skyfall’, here in ‘SPECTRE’ he uses everything he’s learnt before to be a Bond we cheer for, laugh with and feel for. It’s like the past incarnations of Connery, Moore and Dalton come through Craig’s performance. He is more laid-back, witty and confident in situations, but also still a cold-blooded assassin who is vulnerable. Some moments you may see as striking for his interpretation, like for instance his Bond is still reckless and at times a loose cannon and a heavy drinker, but then this is something new and an established character since 2006. Craig has that swagger to Bond many will have a hard time to replace if and when the time comes to replace him, because he’s so comfortable now in the role that he’s made 007 a real character on a real journey, and this story, I feel, thankfully ties up a lot of the journey itself started in 2006 for him to either now continue with new paths forward or to call it a day. I hope he stays for a couple more at least.

• Léa Seydoux climbs up the Bond girl ranks of the Craig era to sit comfortably behind Vesper Lynd. She can act, which is important and not just there for purpose. And even with her background in the story, she’s not thrown into action like Camille was in ‘Quantum Of Solace’. She’s emotionally vulnerable, and her personal issues work well in the overall context. However, her development is under-cooked and with the events that play out, never convinces me of her journey with Bond is anything like it was with Vesper Lynd. There is obviously a romance brewing, but it didn’t feel very natural, and at times their actions felt forced by their surroundings, to “make the best of it” before time ran out so to speak. But I’d certainly like to see more of her as she is beautiful, very grounded and, as said, a very good actress alongside Craig.

• Christoph Waltz, the man you now see was born to play a deliciously sly and cunning Bond villain doesn’t let the team down as Franz Oberhauser. Yes; he is sadly under-used even more than Javier Bardem in ‘Skyfall’, but the difference is his presence is felt during this film when he’s not on screen. He’s a threat, and he has power. The film’s action ripples out from his center, and Oberhauser is always looming over this story even when he’s not present. “You came across me so many times yet you never saw me” rings more true now.

Waltz doesn’t play him as camp, not at all. He is a man who has pretty much got what he wants; he is confident, laid-back and in control. He’s clever and merciless and very dangerous. Waltz isn’t physically intimidating, but then not all the best villains are; it’s how they come across on screen and he comes across wickedly brilliant – super dialogue that makes so much sense in the context of the story, linking everything in the Craig era to the nefarious SPECTRE organisation perfectly. He makes this film for me and is my favourite villain of the Craig era to date, and in anyway shape or form I hope we somehow see him again in the future.

• David Bautista is our evil henchman. Enough said. No meak and mild goon here trying to talk tough and look scary with a gun, no. This henchman is the real deal, and much like Jaws, Oddjob and Red Grant he holds his own against 007 and is set on one thing – killing James Bond. He is physically imposing; a silent killer with a deadly touch who says more with his actions than with words. The train fight teased between Hinx and Bond is one of the best fights in the Bond series and certainly in Craig’s run. It’s brutal, violent and we really see Bond take a beating to the point where it looks like he’s outmatched.

• Monica Bellucci is very under-used, but she plays her part and fits into the story well; without her Bond wouldn’t have much to go on, and she looks wonderful in (and out) of her dress. Her role was also not as straight-forward or concluded as I expected also, which was nice.

• Ralph Fiennes, Ben Whishaw and Naomi Harris blew me away with their roles as the solid MI6 team. They got the most laughs from the audience with the wry dialogue, wit and overall performances. Comfortably set from ‘Skyfall’, they make a more convincing intelligence unit; relationships are solid and thankfully they’re not thrown into the action as much to make them just like Bond. They have their own weapons; knowledge and personal skills which are used brilliantly. Very likeable and thankfully all with expanded roles, especially Whishaw, who brings easy humour to the classic Q-Branch scenes with 007. Llewelyn would be proud.

• The other cast like Andrew Scott, Rory Kinnear, Stephanie Sigman and Jesper Christensen are all crucial to this puzzle. None of them are discarded and all sizzle on screen to help form the allies and villains around Bond and his world at MI6. Great talent on screen, probably one of the best since ‘Casino Royale’.

THE LOCATIONS

For each location used, director Sam Mendes and cinematographer Hoyte van Hoytema expand on what makes each one come alive. The jaw-dropping Day Of The Dead celebration in Mexico City. The architecture of Rome. The frozen plains of Austria. The sun-baked landscape of Morocco. The playground of British Governments in London.

There's no globe-trotting for 2 hours, but a few select choices that are fully used to deliver a rich experience, which each setting lending to the narrative. The cinematography delivers just as much here as it did in ‘Skyfall’, maybe not as picturesque Roger Deakins, but still letting you see and appreciate these gorgeous locations and what they all offer to us as viewers and to Bond traversing them.

THE MUSIC:

The soundtrack was the factor that didn’t shout out much to me. Thomas Newman returns and already seems to have struck up a comfortable rapport with Mendes in using music to narrate their interpretation of James Bond. Lots of familiar cues return from ‘Skyfall’ both for drama and action, which isn’t a bad thing as it gives the film a sense of familiarity and presents us with new themes for certain “Bond moments”. Yes, the James Bond theme is there but again not used very much, and when it does it’s in the, what I personally feel, over-used and over-the-top blaring brass motif.

The main theme by Sam Smith, “Writings On The Wall”, is certainly not one of the most welcomed songs in the series and certainly no Adele. However, I will admit that the edited down version mixed with the gorgeous title sequence won me over. The lyrics and music make so much sense watching the very eerie sequence by the talented Daniel Kleinman. Shadows of Craig’s earlier films come back to haunt us (Vesper is done hauntingly beautiful) and the deadly tentacles of the SPECTRE octopus control all we see on screen. It’s the best of the Craig era, and of the past 30 years I’d say.

THE ACTION:

Yes! We have action! No! It’s not over-done. And I can tell you we've seen all the sequences teased in the trailers. And thankfully there isn’t much CGI on the whole, except for some background work and explosions.

• The pre-title sequence opens with a seemingly one fluid take lasting a good 5 minutes taking us through, up and around the vibrant Day Of The Dead festival in Mexico City for an explosive chase that turns into a dizzying spectacle on and inside a helicopter over a plaza full of people. It’s one of those breath-taking sequences where you forget to breathe due to the thrills on screen. There is always something happening on screen; fitting music and gorgeous costumes bring the festival to life and its nothing short of brilliant. The helicopter battle, blending CGI and practical effects, is simply chaos. Good chaos, of course. 3 corkscrews and dozens of other twists and turns show that the Bond team certainly know how to give us something original after 53 years!

• Rome gives us a city that looks stunning at night, and home to the Bond Aston v Hinx Jaguar car chase. I feel this was a little disappointing as it never hit a high-note. It is very well staged of course, but it’s more like a controlled street race rather than a vicious chase, and there’s a few too many comedic moments that don’t really add anything.

• Austria is a setting you can’t help but mirror to ‘On Her Majesty’s Secret Service’, but events soon help you forget. A great plane chase against Land Rovers goes up, over and across dangerous mountains and hamlets, through trees and barns and causing the hair-raising stunts you’d expect. Again, the team offer something never seen before and this only adds to the enjoyment.

• Morocco looks stunning on camera and gives us the Hinx v Bond train fight. This is a fight that, as said before, for me must go down as one of the best. It’s brutal, nasty and the modern day Bond v Jaws from ‘The Spy Who Loved Me’ fused with Bond v Grant from ‘From Russia With Love’. Add to this the spectacle of Oberhauser’s lair in a loving nod to Ken Adams' hollowed out volcano from ‘You Only Live Twice’, and you have a setting that offers plenty of bang and surprises for your buck.

• London, a staple in these Craig films to continue to development of Whitehall and British Intelligence features as strongly as ever with its grand buildings, iconic landscape overlooking the River Thames and the ghostly shell of the former MI6 building in ruins. With the river and Vauxhall the focus for most of the explosive finale, it certainly helps you see London in a new dangerous light.

THE CREW:

All of the above is due to a crew that know their audience and know the Bond they want to offer us. While it may not be the Bond for everyone, it certainly is the Bond for the masses who pulls in over $1b at the box-office age 50 years old. Now aged 53, the franchise show no signs of stopping. Sam Mendes puts his ‘Skyfall’ stamp over this, with a comfortable look and feel with a crew who showcase everything needed from costume, to set design and editing to make this a sharp looking film full of suspense, drama and romance. It’s a continuing story on the whole, and so it’s nice to have a family who started this new “era” back in 2006 and newcomers since 2012 all here for the ride.

"I think you’re just getting started." - Moneypenny mutters to Bond in an early scene set in his surprisingly grim London flat. In one way James Bond is getting started finally, but in some ways he’s also coming to an end of his journey; Daniel Craig’s journey that is.

THE FILM:

As said, on the whole this has good and bad points. I didn’t find a problem with the pacing at all compared to ‘Skyfall’, and some may say the personal links don’t work but in the wider scheme of things they do, and thanks to the acting talent it all comes across in a way that just makes sense. Nothing is shoe-horned in.

Well, almost nothing. The relationship between Bond and Swann, the crux of this story and the basis of the title song itself, felt rushed and under-developed. I didn’t invest in their outcome as much as I did with Bond and Vesper in ‘Casino Royale’. Granted, Eva Green really owned her part and Léa Seydoux does hers convincingly, but on the whole I couldn’t buy it. Words are said and actions taken that come across as nothing but the result of rash decisions and forced hands. And this leads to my other main irk; the finale. Once we hit London we get into a more familiar “race against time” scenario to stop the evil plan, but once a certain button is pushed (literally) it loses its way for me personally.

It gets a little noisy and a little under-whelming and happy with the CGI. I’d have preferred the finale to take place in Morocco between Bond and Oberhauser, but for sentimental value to link everyone and everything it had to be London. And the closing few minutes didn’t sit with me at all – I don’t know how to take it or what to make of where it’s going now, and I didn’t really want the things I don’t feel we need; blaring brassy James Bond theme and a big nod to the 1960s again. If anything, can we move on from that aspect as well as the personal agenda now? It’s the one thing I can’t stand now; it’s too much a sickly nod to the past.

It’s been done. Let’s move on. But, saying that, I don’t know where they will move on to with the ending of this as. Watching it a second time however, a certain character coupled with a certain few shots that he sees makes me think we may have another personal vendetta in Bond 25.

OVERALL:

So on the whole, a fitting return to more of the welcome 007 traits of the past presented for a modern generation. It's up there with 'Casino Royale' and probably my favourite Craig-era Bond film for sure. Not my favourite of the 24 films, but now right in the Top 10 for definite.

It’s funny, it’s emotive, it’s brutal and nasty (the sound of drills echoes in my mind). I only hope we can have more from this current family of Bond cast and crew because they’ve ended one journey but started another that I want to see progress. This is solid entertainment, and it’s finally found the right combination of new and classic elements to make something fresh.

But to take the journey with or without Daniel Craig? I honestly can’t answer that like I could of at the end of the previous 3 films. I don’t know what will happen now, which both excites me and leaves me feeling nervous as to where this established 007 universe will now go.



#153 Harmsway

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 11:28 AM

Too tired to think properly, but overall - I loved it. Left the cinema feeling even more "full" than I did after SKYFALL. Fewer plot holes, a overriding sense of fun, and probably the most openly funny scenes in a long time. This is one of the good ones.

More in the morning.

I eagerly await your detailed thoughts.

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 11:42 AM

Watching it again later this afternoon. It doesn't blow away on first go, sure, but I think this will be a grower (plus I won't have the script in the back of my mind so much haha)

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 12:07 PM

 

Too tired to think properly, but overall - I loved it. Left the cinema feeling even more "full" than I did after SKYFALL. Fewer plot holes, a overriding sense of fun, and probably the most openly funny scenes in a long time. This is one of the good ones.

More in the morning.

I eagerly await your detailed thoughts.

Yes, so do I :) Specially since I know that if you loved it, I´ll love it as well. 



#156 Guy Haines

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 01:05 PM

A few more random jottings.

 

The villain's plot. On the face of it not much of - certainly not involving stolen V-bombers, hijacked spacecraft, biological warfare or orbiting lasers. But relevant to the world today and I'd argue that it provides a link to original Fleming source material;

 

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The romantic element - I can't help thinking this is a work in progress. Bond and Madeleine seemed to me to be still in the getting to know you stage, rather than the full on romance of Bond and Tracy or Bond and Vesper.

 

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Max Denbigh - I think Andrew Scott deserved a mention on the poster because his character clearly drives one part of the film's plot. One doesn't find out until near the end whose side he's on - our side, the villain's or his own - but Scott creates a dislikeable character from the outset, the kind of management-speak type who airily dismisses the old ways that many of us have encountered in real life.

 

Mr White - not exactly a reformed character 

 

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 01:19 PM

My only issue with the romantic element you mention, Guy, is that I worry whatever happens, it always seems to come down to making things personal for Bond now. He always acts to fulfil his own vendettas, and it's a nice coincidence the people involved are nefarious types. I'd hate for Bond 25 to continue, however it could, with yet more "personal"  themes like some big soap opera set in the espionage world.

 

It's like 'Jaws 19' - "This time it's really, REALLY personal".



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Posted 27 October 2015 - 01:29 PM

Well, they could bring B. and Swan for the PTS, have Bond dispatch the first after the latter gets tragically killed. Then you could start the film with a depressed Bond wanting a simple assignment to get him on his feet. He would go on said assignment with the lightest of attitudes and then, near the end, he would find out his nemesis is really alive and is the mastermind behind the new conundrum. 

 

Or something of the sorts. Hey, I´m a writer but not of the genre. I suppose they could do way better. Or worse.



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Posted 27 October 2015 - 01:32 PM

I think it would be best not to kill Swann. Craig's tenure is already saturated with death. There are more interesting ways to split them up.

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 01:35 PM

I do know what you mean, Casino.

 

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The "it's personal" line can't really go on forever - for one thing if the writers want to keep Bond grounded in some kind of reality they must realise that in real life secret agents and spies don't work against adversaries based on grudges (From what I've read about real life espionage agencies, the grudges are largely internal and desk bound!)

 

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 01:41 PM

I think it would be best not to kill Swann. Craig's tenure is already saturated with death. There are more interesting ways to split them up.

I actually agree with this. But why should the writers be worried about splitting them up? It´s not as if Bond married Tatiana or Honey, or Pussy Galore, or... even if they did went of into the sunset together, right?

Bond could easily be found in another good company when the 25th starts its PTS. Even bound to a desk job in Mi6, bored and in need of a proper mission. Looking at the trees from his office window - very Fleming, this.



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Posted 27 October 2015 - 01:43 PM

In my mind, the interesting road, the road not yet taken, would be to have Bond/Swann/Bloferhauser back in the next one. Let the relationships develop rather than simply moving on to the next thing.

But that's just me.

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 01:45 PM

In my mind, the interesting road, the road not yet taken, would be to have Bond/Swann/Bloferhauser back in the next one. Let the relationships develop rather than simply moving on to the next thing.

But that's just me.

That could easily be a way to lure Mendes back as he is very precious about his characters/actors. 



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Posted 27 October 2015 - 01:46 PM

The Bond/Swann romance - they should've left the hotel scene as it is in the script (and NOT have cut the "have you ever been in love" exchange on the train) as they provide a much needed middle point for their relationship progress......

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 01:50 PM

Made me miss Vesper more TBH and what she shared with Bond. (Her inclusion in the opening titles actually haunts me - such a striking image with the music)  *shudder*

 

And Guy, I feel that...

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 02:13 PM

In my mind, the interesting road, the road not yet taken, would be to have Bond/Swann/Bloferhauser back in the next one. Let the relationships develop rather than simply moving on to the next thing.

But that's just me.

I agree. I'd be wanting Blofeld to return, along with Bond and Swann.

 

In my mind, Swann is the Craig era Tracy, or very well could be. But that doesn't have to automatically equal her death. I agree Craig's tenure is already saturated with death, especially with Vesper being relatively fresh - three films ago. Perhaps Swann lives to see another day but simply says goodbye to Bond, ala Gala Brand. Realising this life is simply not for her, and she can't go on living it. Blofeld could come close to offing Swann in Bond 25, but it's not exactly essential. Because if SPECTRE is anything to go by, Blofeld has already inflicted a lot of pain on Bond's life.



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Posted 27 October 2015 - 02:19 PM

Made me miss Vesper more TBH and what she shared with Bond. (Her inclusion in the opening titles actually haunts me - such a striking image with the music)  *shudder*
 
And Guy, I feel that...

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I agree about Waltz. Underused - how often has that happened in Bond films though? Maybe "less is more"?
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In my mind, the interesting road, the road not yet taken, would be to have Bond/Swann/Bloferhauser back in the next one. Let the relationships develop rather than simply moving on to the next thing.
But that's just me.

I agree. I'd be wanting Blofeld to return, along with Bond and Swann.
 
In my mind, Swann is the Craig era Tracy, or very well could be. But that doesn't have to automatically equal her death. I agree Craig's tenure is already saturated with death, especially with Vesper being relatively fresh - three films ago. Perhaps Swann lives to see another day but simply says goodbye to Bond, ala Gala Brand. Realising this life is simply not for her, and she can't go on living it. Blofeld could come close to offing Swann in Bond 25, but it's not exactly essential. Because if SPECTRE is anything to go by, Blofeld has already inflicted a lot of pain on Bond's life.

I agree with the idea you suggest. Madeleine actually leaving Bond because she can't stand his way of life,

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Might be a bigger wrench for Bond in the next film than losing her via another more predictable route.

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 02:46 PM

My only beef is that the "romance" aspect of the film seems rushed, and everything seems to be done because of the situations around them, ie: the things said and done seem to be said and done only because of outside pressure. Still. Two very good actors in Craig and Seydoux so I'll happily see what happens next.

 

But....

 

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 02:51 PM

I saw SPECTRE at 8pm last night and in my opinion it was Daniel Craig’s best Bond. As a life-long Bond fan, I’ve always felt like there was something missing since the Brosnan era. Craig’s films from CR to Skyfall were always worthy of being stand alone films that could have survived outside of the franchise. However, SPECTRE provided me with what I felt was missing; the true and traditional Bond format.

 

SPECTRE boasts a strong opening scene, colourful locations, beautiful women, an excellent villain, action-packed car chase, gadgets and the relationship with Bonds co-workers was explored. This is the formula for a James Bond film.

 

Craig’s previous films lacked one or more of these ingredients but SPECTRE provided all of them. The relationship/partnership he formed with Lea Seydoux’s character made the film what it was. Reminiscent of the classics such as Goldeneye, Dr. No, Live and Let Die and The World is Not Enough. The female character that inspires Bond to do what he does, and a strong woman who can work alongside him, make for cinematic excellence. As far as I’m concerned the James Bond franchise created this format, and they are the only ones worthy of continuing to do it justice.

 

If Craig doesn't return and fulfil his contract of a 5th film, then it would be the perfect film to end it all on. They have brought it back to the beginning with more traditional Bond flair - and that's what I missed the most. 


Edited by Surrie, 27 October 2015 - 03:28 PM.


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Posted 27 October 2015 - 03:44 PM

Welcome to CBn, Surrie! :)
 
Glad you liked....LOVED....'SPECTRE'.



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Posted 27 October 2015 - 04:00 PM

Welcome to CBn, Surrie! :)
 
Glad you liked....LOVED....'SPECTRE'.

 

Thanks for the welcome! I joined a few years back but had not posted until today - you might say Spectre stirred up some old feelings for Bond!



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Posted 27 October 2015 - 04:20 PM

The film has so many great things about it, but I must admit I am left somewhat disappointed. The film certainly doesn't measure up to Casino Royale and Skyfall levels. I'll rewatch the film in the Spring, and I'll probably feel a lot more positive about it. Setting out a few thoughts down here, many of which seem harshly critical will help in that process of coming around to it.

 

The action is the best we've seen in at least a few films. The car chase, particularly, though perhaps zeitgeist following, rather than trend-setting, is beautifully shot against beautiful backdrops. The addition of the phonecall and a few humorous elements break up the rhythm and allow it to get two bites of the cherry in turns of suspense. The opening shot beguiles the mind. Though I spotted what I thought was a subtle CGI blend at the doorway, I can't think how the remainder was achieved. The train fight was another strong moment, though it seemed too casually disregarded. The use of Bond's colleagues to set up multiple, intercut scenes led to one of the most exciting finales in the series.

 

Whatever MI the team are now (Originally MI7, then MI6, now apparently merely 'the 00 section'), they are great. Fiennes works wonderfully as the older retired agent called back into service, Naomie Harris proves she was a fantastic choice as Moneypenny, and I'm delighted the character is at last scripted with a personal life of her own. Kinnear as Tanner seems unfairly sidelined by the media build up, but then he is by the film as well. The producers clearly saw what a hit they had with Ben Whishaw's Q in Skyfall, and thus he becomes the secondary hero. If public reaction is anything to go on, through his small amount of screentime he has already morphed into the British icon Desmond Llewellyn became.

 

The plot makes little sense. SPECTRE as an organisation are the fantasy of a conspiracy theorist- they deal in pharmaceutical companies, water companies, intelligence networks, plot terrorist attacks, and plan everything out in meetings of around fifty members around a huge table. Never is a motivation made clear for any of this, nor is the reason why they fear the little man who sits at the far end of the table, the son of a ski instructor. He never even makes a demonstration of his power over them. Unlike in Thunderball where Blofeld fries an agent for embezzlement, it's unclear why Oberhauser wants or allows one of his agents to be chillingly murdered in front of him. It can be said that the 'Special Executive for Counter Terrorism, Revenge, and Extortion' was always a nebulous, never accounted for secret society, but their motivation was always clear, and in the post-2006 era, where everything is supposed to be less silly, I expect explanations. Especially in a film of this length.

 

Also, and much more obviously left unexplained is how exactly Oberhauser was related to the previous villains. I'll be fair, we can take it as read that Quantum's agents are Spectre's agents. But Oberhauser says he killed M, that Silva was him. But, really? At what point did Oberhauser help Silva? In what way was Silva anyone's puppet? Why does the previous M seem to know about Spectre agents, but not do anything? It's left for the audience to puzzle over, perhaps to stop them wondering at what point Oberhauser said to his henchmen "Do me a favour, print off some pictures of these old associates of Bond and blu-tack them up for me would you? I'm going to stand looking into middle distance behind this glass."

 

Hmm... Oberhauser. Sorry to say, not a fan of Waltz. A Bond Film depends on a really great villain. It's one of the reasons Quantum of Solace feels the rejected Craig film, with Greene by far the weakest central villain when compared with Le Chiffre and Silva. I find it hard to believe so many can give this man their total obedience. If 'a Dark Bond' was what was wanted, someone with the presence of a Bond was needed. Look through all those dream cast lists, who's too old now? Fassbender, Elba, Isaacs? Dr Swann meanwhile was brilliantly played, and was a good character, though one who diminishes unnecessarily at the end of the film. Whereas Casino takes time to develop the relationship between Bond and Vesper, the 'love' is too sudden. An extra scene or two would have paid dividends. Bautista seemed to be the villain responsible for all the threat in the film, and is dispatched all too soon. Monica Belluci was almost a cameo in the end, but a welcome one.

 

There's a sense we've seen these things before- and not with Connery or Moore, but in the last three films. We have a denouement in a sterile facility in the middle of the desert which explodes dramatically, just like Quantum of Solace, there's a fight atop a glass skyscraper, as in Skyfall, an opening footchase through crowded streets where Bond refuses to give up his quarry, just as in Casino Royale. The new M yet again under political pressure, Bond bedding a terrorist's wife to gain information, a hall full of world monitoring computer banks, a strapped to a chair torture scene, a meeting of a shadowy cartel in a high class cultural venue, ancient buildings collapsing around Bond, and even a callback to 'I know where you keep your gun', albeit with M instead of Bond. Mendes's directorial touches, such as his out of focus shots, or moody misty landscapes so fresh in the previous film seem overused now.

 

Even when we're not seeing 'The very best of Daniel Craig's Bond', there's a couple of pieces which seem unoriginal. Andrew Scott's character is not entirely unlike his Sherlock counterpart, and it feels like writers may have taken inspiration from that series for a few dialogue moments. And yes, I'll mention the Fast and Furious style chase scene again. Not that this is to say I didn't enjoy most of these moments. A few here and there I would have loved. I just felt I wanted new things, not old. It's also the first time I've not seen anything new from Craig. I'm not saying he's phoning it in, because he definitely isn't. But the film has less emotion in it, with just the conversation with White and the 'Switch it Off' scene standing out. Of course, this is part of the character's evolution, towards cold, unthinking blunt instrument. Not sure it needs to be that blunt.

 

Thomas Newman's music continues to grate. His tactic appears to be to fill every possible moment with those suspense strings, to keep the audience constantly on edge. He rarely allows the audience a few seconds of silence, which badly affects the pace of the overlong film. Switching off your brain, you can ignore unexplained plot points. What you can't do is stop sensing the music, and thus this is my least favourite aspect. If Mendes goes I'd wish to see a return to more thematic material of the John Barry style, either back with David Arnold or moving on to Michael Giacchino.

 

Finally I disliked the tendency towards science fiction, with smart blood, portable scanners that sense DNA from men who died thirty years ago, security services who use giant ticking clocks at the top of glass buildings. The torture scene, though reliant on a simple technique, is made needlessly mechanical, and seems more unpleasant as a result (unpleasant being not necessarily a good thing in an escapist movie). For a globe-trotting adventure there were too many scenes set in dull white rooms, and no moments where our man was able to revel in any of the luxury Fleming would lay on for his hero. Since Skyfall with its richly coloured casinos, grand bazaars, bright city lights and red padded doors in the briefing room, Bond seems to have plummeted into a harsh, sterile world. And sterile is the one thing Bond shouldn't be.



#173 seawolfnyy

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 05:01 PM

From what everyone has said, the film appears to be about 80-90% similar to the script, which is nice. There's still a little surprise left haha. When I read the script, I did get some of the feelings that I've read here that it doesn't do anything new. I think what made Skyfall so great was, rather than being formulaic, it flipped the script. Mathis was right. The heroes and villains got all mixed up. With Spectre, it seems to be back to Bond as usual. Not a bad thing, I should add, just maybe not the leap that Skyfall was. That said, still can't wait to see it. I'm having dreams about that Day do the Dead scene. 10 more days in España.

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 06:22 PM

With Spectre, it seems to be back to Bond as usual. Not a bad thing, I should add, just maybe not the leap that Skyfall was. That said, still can't wait to see it. I'm having dreams about that Day do the Dead scene. 10 more days in España.

 

Tbh I don't think SPECTRE's failure to innovate is a bad thing - but if you're not going to innovate, you have to be damn entertaining and pacey. The PTS does all these things, in that it breaks Bond ground with an amazing opening shot, but otherwise just commits to a very familiar, streamlined setpiece that's done brilliantly.

 

The rest of the film is too dragged out yet too flimsy to justify its running time.



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Posted 27 October 2015 - 06:37 PM

In my mind, the interesting road, the road not yet taken, would be to have Bond/Swann/Bloferhauser back in the next one. Let the relationships develop rather than simply moving on to the next thing.

But that's just me.

 

If that happens, I pray they put in Bunt as well. I was actually discussing this with a friend last night after he saw the flick (as I read the leaked script a while back) and came around to the idea of the next film potentially picking up some time after SPECTRE's end, long enough for Bond / Swann's relationship to have blossomed only for a tragedy to take place potentially at the hands of Bunt / Bloferhauser or both of them. Swann's departure could lead directly into the title sequence and voilà, a potentially new (less obvious) storyline could begin. Although considering how this film worked out, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to a YOLT-styled film taking place.

 

As for the film itself, from everything I've heard (and seen) it seems like a step in the right direction. The whole "I'm so stubborn and serious" James Bond of the past decade has grown a little tiresome. It's neat that they are trying to freshen things up a bit by bringing in more of the "classic" elements we all know and love and tossing them into the stew.



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Posted 27 October 2015 - 06:51 PM

Just thought I'd chime in having now seen the film twice:
 

I certainly wasn't disappointed, but I wasn't blown away either. I was utterly satisfied, thoroughly whelmed - nowhere near the levels of delight I had after Casino Royale or Skyfall, but certainly not a bad time in the cinema. 
 
Throughout the Daniel Craig era, there's been niggling complaints from people that the films had become too serious, that they missed the gadgets and the puns and the larger-than-life criminal masterminds, that there was a sense of FUN missing from the franchise. SPECTRE brings all of that stuff back in force. This is the Classic James Bond at the top of his game and Daniel Craig is just as suited to the role as ever. He has far more of a sense of humour in this outing, but none of his jokes fall flat.
Christoph Waltz plays 'The Christoph Waltz Character' and if you liked him the other three times he did that, you'll like this just fine. Lea Seydoux and Monica Belucci are both quite good. Ben Whishaw, Ralph Fiennes, Rory Kinnear and Naomi Harris are all great and I hope that they stay on even if Dan The Man hangs up his tux. Sam Mendes once again proves that he's probably the best visual director the franchise has ever had. The opening sequence is absolutely incredible.
 
Crucially, the film isn't as good as Skyfall or Casino Royale, the script isn't nearly as tight and feels very Brosnanny in more than a few ways, the acting isn't as powerful, it's often very silly and the song is crap, but overall it's a very nice blend of Craig grit and the kind of old-fashioned entertainment that people miss from the days of Connery/Moore/Brosnan. Not a classic, but still a strong entry. Somewhere between a 3/5 and a 4/5 for me. 
 
Daniel Craig is the best James Bond ever.

Edited by Gothamite, 27 October 2015 - 06:52 PM.


#177 Harmsway

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 06:57 PM


In my mind, the interesting road, the road not yet taken, would be to have Bond/Swann/Bloferhauser back in the next one. Let the relationships develop rather than simply moving on to the next thing.

But that's just me.


If that happens, I pray they put in Bunt as well.
Bunt appeared in the John Logan drafts.

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Posted 27 October 2015 - 06:58 PM

It's finally time. Seeing it in 3 and a half hours! *controls breathing*



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Posted 27 October 2015 - 07:15 PM

 

 

In my mind, the interesting road, the road not yet taken, would be to have Bond/Swann/Bloferhauser back in the next one. Let the relationships develop rather than simply moving on to the next thing.

But that's just me.


If that happens, I pray they put in Bunt as well.
Bunt appeared in the John Logan drafts.

 

 

Well, that's certainly interesting enough. Hopefully they took her out as to not blow their entire Spectre wad in one fell swoop.



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Posted 27 October 2015 - 07:31 PM

Hopefully they took her out as to not blow their entire Spectre wad in one fell swoop.

Given how development unfolded, I think it's more likely she was cut because her role in the film no longer made sense. I don't think Spectre was designed with any sort of long-term plan in mind.

 

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