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[antovolk]

Whilst out and about today I've bought my copy at my local newsagents.

Haven't had a chance to do anything but glance at it, but I'm struck by one thing - the magazine appears, in a marginal notes section "SPECTRE files #" to link everything that has gone before in the Craig/Bond era to SPECTRE the organisation.

Now it may be that the article writer has simply had a lapse of memory about "Quantum" - but if this is right, everyone Craig's Bond has battled up to now has been working, in some way, for SPECTRE, and Quantum was always part of it.

Not much longer to wait to find out.

These SPECTRE files are by Purvis & Wade, therefore legit.

[JCRendle]

I've bought it, but the price has really gone up. I used to buy Empire every month - it's a good quality Movie mag, but over the last couple of years I've only bought a select few (including the SPECTRE ones) as its too expensive otherwise.

[Shrublands]

Whilst out and about today I've bought my copy at my local newsagents.

Haven't had a chance to do anything but glance at it, but I'm struck by one thing - the magazine appears, in a marginal notes section "SPECTRE files #" to link everything that has gone before in the Craig/Bond era to SPECTRE the organisation.

Now it may be that the article writer has simply had a lapse of memory about "Quantum" - but if this is right, everyone Craig's Bond has battled up to now has been working, in some way, for SPECTRE, and Quantum was always part of it.

Not much longer to wait to find out.

 

When you have a better look, you'll see that all that info for the "SPECTRE files" comes from Purvis & Wade.

Now, isn't that interesting?

 

EDIT - Antovolk, I didn't see that you had already covered this before I posted.

[PPK_19]

My favourite bit is the interview with Waltz.

Empire: "Now let's talk about your role, as much as we can".

Waltz: "We can't"

On to the next question!

[Shrublands]

By the way, just mentioning what is contained in the "SPECTRE files" could be called a gigantic spoiler by some.

Perhaps a moderator could/should move this thread to the spoiler section.

[Vauxhall]

Done. Loads of spoiler info in the article, including lots of dancing around the Blofeld question.

[Guy Haines]

I agree with moving this to the spoilers part, but by now, a month or so before release, even the film makers seem to be dropping a few heavy hints, save about ESB aka YKW (You Know Who)

The "SPECTRE Files #" snippets mentions the screenwriters - curiously no mention of Paul Haggis and John Logan - and a summary of a particular character from the Craig films. Is the summary their commentary on these characters or just acknowledging the screenwriters involvement? Puzzling.

[Harmsway]

Which "particular character"? Vesper?

[Guy Haines]

Which "particular character"? Vesper?

Not just Vesper. The hashtag goes through more than one character, from more than one Craig film.

Best to draw your own conclusions.

[Harmsway]

Someone wanna scan those bits? I'm curious.

[PPK_19]

"Nothing in this magazine can be reproduced in whole or in part without the written permission of the publishers."

 

Please scan your written permission from the publishers.

Edited by Jim, 25 September 2015 - 05:33 AM.
Please don't do this and - others - please don't encourage it.

[Shrublands]

The way I read it,  Purvis & Wade are being quoted about the various characters and their involvement with Spectre.

[Harmsway]

Thank you for the pics. Are there any referencing Skyfall?

[Tiin007]

Once again, I ask: what is Quantum? A subcategory of SPECTRE? Maybe not the name of the organization, but the name of something else?

[The Shark]

So wait... has Quantum been retconned out of existence and replaced by SPECTRE, or was Quantum just an intergovernmental body of SPECTRE, necessary to keep its many tentacles coordinated?

[Harmsway]

It sounds as though Quantum was a cell or project of SPECTRE.

[Tiin007]

It sounds as though Quantum was a cell or project of SPECTRE.

 

Certainly a possibility. I really hope that they at least address this in some fashion, although I fear that they will not. 

Also, if Quantum was merely a cell of SPECTRE, I would hope that much of the "theatrics" in the dialogue of previous films was in fact referring to SPECTRE, and not just their smaller cell known as Quantum. For example, White's statement that "we have people everywhere," and M's claim to the minister that it is "one of the most powerful organizations"-- I really hope that these are referring to SPECTRE as a whole, as I have a hard time believing that just a tiny tentacle of it was what all of our characters got so worked up over.

[Shrublands]

The way I see it, Quantum was a Spectre initiative. A cartel of powerful politicians, heads of industry, etc working for corrupt ends. Only people involved such as Greene and Mr White knew they were being controlled by an even more sinister organisation, Spectre.

[JCRendle]

Careful @PPK_19, I'm sure CBn frowns upon uploading magazine scans because of previous troubles - isn't it in the T&C?

[Jim]

Careful @PPK_19, I'm sure CBn frowns upon uploading magazine scans because of previous troubles - isn't it in the T&C?

 

Frowned.

[Messervy]

Done. Loads of spoiler info in the article, including lots of dancing around the Blofeld question.

 

Thanks! I was afraid of just that.

I'll get my copy, but read it only after I've seen the movie.

[OHMSS Spion]

Anyone know if this is out in the U.S. yet? Or will it be U.K. only?

[MajorB]

I'm in the US, and I've found that the UK mags show up at my local Barnes and Noble several weeks--even a month--after they hit the stands over there.

[Guy Haines]

The way I see it, Quantum was a Spectre initiative. A cartel of powerful politicians, heads of industry, etc working for corrupt ends. Only people involved such as Greene and Mr White knew they were being controlled by an even more sinister organisation, Spectre.

The plots of CR and QoS were both about, if you will financial or economic crimes - raising money for terrorism, playing the stock market, cornering the market in a commodity. Maybe "Quantum" was the hedge fund of SPECTRE?

(That said, Greene claimed, before he was left to a "fate worse than a fate worse than death" that he'd told Bond all he knew about Quantum. Either he was holding back something - SPECTRE - or he didn't really know who he was working for, because in this new movie, according to the summer trailer, 007 hasn't heard of SPECTRE until Madeleine Swann lets slip the name.)

[Tiin007]

 

The way I see it, Quantum was a Spectre initiative. A cartel of powerful politicians, heads of industry, etc working for corrupt ends. Only people involved such as Greene and Mr White knew they were being controlled by an even more sinister organisation, Spectre.

The plots of CR and QoS were both about, if you will financial or economic crimes - raising money for terrorism, playing the stock market, cornering the market in a commodity. Maybe "Quantum" was the hedge fund of SPECTRE?

(That said, Greene claimed, before he was left to a "fate worse than a fate worse than death" that he'd told Bond all he knew about Quantum. Either he was holding back something - SPECTRE - or he didn't really know who he was working for, because in this new movie, according to the summer trailer, 007 hasn't heard of SPECTRE until Madeleine Swann lets slip the name.)

 

 

Yes, but we are not told what this "Quantum" is. Greene never says it is the name of the organization.

[Twingolot]

May be it was only the name of SPECTRE's operations in Bolivia...

[Harmsway]

Yes, but we are not told what this "Quantum" is. Greene never says it is the name of the organization.

"Quantum" is only mentioned by name twice. Once by Greene, at the end, and once during the opera scene ("I'm not certain this project is worth Quantum's time" or something very close to it is uttered as Bond listens in). In conjunction with the "Q" pins at the opera, it's definitely suggested that it's a group of people.

I doubt Spectre will answer these questions directly, but it seems that the obvious resolution would be to treat Quantum as a Spectre project, a plan to infiltrate governments and control resources. Bond found out about it and slowed its progress.

[stamper]

P&W in Empire says Greene was in charge of Spectre operations in south america. Quantum was just a sub for it. 

 

it all makes so much more sense.

[DamnCoffee]

[Image deleted - see earlier post]

Edited by Jim, 26 September 2015 - 12:37 PM.
No obvious authority to reproduce - see earlier post

[Guy Haines]

It sounds as though Quantum was a cell or project of SPECTRE.

 
Certainly a possibility. I really hope that they at least address this in some fashion, although I fear that they will not. Also, if Quantum was merely a cell of SPECTRE, I would hope that much of the "theatrics" in the dialogue of previous films was in fact referring to SPECTRE, and not just their smaller cell known as Quantum. For example, White's statement that "we have people everywhere," and M's claim to the minister that it is "one of the most powerful organizations"-- I really hope that these are referring to SPECTRE as a whole, as I have a hard time believing that just a tiny tentacle of it was what all of our characters got so worked up over.

The SPECTRE formerly known as "the organisation" - M only knew it as that, although we can assume that Bond briefed her about he'd found out at the end of the QoS assignment.

Greene? Well he say's he's told Bond everything he wanted to know about "Quantum". Either he lied - or he genuinely knew no more than he told Bond. "Need to know" and all that. Greene might not have known that Quantum was a subsiduary of SPECTRE - if indeed it was.

White - I suspect that in the new film we'll learn that he knew very well who he was working for, ultimately.