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[Guy Haines]

Well, I have a treatment I sketched out on my free time, and it starts like this:

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Bond and Madeleine are traveling, the way Bond and Vesper intended to do, and they've essentially gone off the grid for a few months.
The PTS finds them celebrating on the French Riviera when an assassin interrupts their romantic reverie. Bond kills the assassin. Shortly after the encounter, Bond finds that MI6 has frantically been trying to get in touch with him: Blofeld escaped containment in the Falklands, and Bond and Madeleine are now the target of a manhunt thanks to an enormous bounty placed on their heads by Blofeld.

Good start, Harmsway.

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I hope if we do have a Bond-v-Blofeld grudge match it doesn't involve the death of Madeleine, because it's too obvious and it's been done before. Your idea of them both having to fight ESB sounds good. Could end with the ultimate wrench - Blofeld defeated but Bond can't leave his former life behind and Madeleine can't live with him because of it.

I'd prefer it if

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Bond leaves Madeleine, knowing she'll never be safe with him, and goes off to end things once and for all (perhaps, knowing she'd never leave him willingly, he departs secretly after bringing her to a safe place of some kind).
Perhaps, if it ends with Bond's presumed death, Madeleine greets the news with tears. Meanwhile, Bond awakes on a beach with no memory of his life, finally free of his cursed life.

Yes, I think I like that idea as well;

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the only way Bond will escape his way of life and his past is to have no recollection of it. Its the sort of ending I can imagine the current team writing and Sam Mendes directing. The only downside is the "death of Bond" has been done before, within memory of audiences in SF. On the other hand - the ending - cut from a tearful Madeleine to a wood panelled office in Whitehall, Tanner, Moneypenny and Q in attendance, and M at his desk reviewing an obituary, and an earlier one involving a mission gone wrong in Istanbul years before. With a sense of grim finality he says "You only die twice."

[thecasinoroyale]

I just hope Bond 25 is Craig's last. I think he's given us everything he can as 007 now without getting stale, in the old "personal / rogue" line of service his Bond works in. End up nicely in Bond25 with Mendes for one final outing and go out with a bang to pave the way for a little less of the personal streak for whoever takes on Bond #7.

[Guy Haines]

I just hope Bond 25 is Craig's last. I think he's given us everything he can as 007 now without getting stale, in the old "personal / rogue" line of service his Bond works in. End up nicely in Bond25 with Mendes for one final outing and go out with a bang to pave the way for a little less of the personal streak for whoever takes on Bond #7.

It would be an interesting way to introduce a new Bond though if 25 ends with Bond having lost his memory - and 26 starts with someone - SPECTRE? - having re-programmed Bond to kill M. Just like the start of Mr Fleming's final full length Bond novel. You could even have the line from the MI6 people in the book when Bond 7 turns up; "Who is it?" - "Another one who says he's James Bond!" ;-)

[sharpshooter]

I'd prefer it if

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Bond leaves Madeleine, knowing she'll never be safe with him, and goes off to end things once and for all (perhaps, knowing she'd never leave him willingly, he departs secretly after bringing her to a safe place of some kind).

Perhaps, if it ends with Bond's presumed death, Madeleine greets the news with tears. Meanwhile, Bond awakes on a beach with no memory of his life, finally free of his cursed life.

 

 

I like that. 

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Also, with Bond waking to no memory of his past life, it comes full circle to Skyfall - the first of Mendes' films. There, Bond was believed dead and came back to active service. With his memory gone, for the time being anyway, he doesn't have the compulsion to return.

 

And I think it could also go back to CR. As Bond says, "you do what I do long enough, there won't be any soul left to salvage. I'm leaving with what I have left." Which means since CR, Bond's soul has been whittled away. Losing his memory gives Bond a fresh start in a way. 

 

I also think it'd be quite bold, and melancholic for the audience. Leaving this well known icon of British cinema confused and alone. Again treating Bond as a human being we care about. 

[SecretAgentFan]

I wonder...

 

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... whether one of the first rumors - Penelope Cruz as an "older" Bond girl - was actually a real consideration.  Either for a female Blofeld - or for the role that went to Monica Bellucci?  The connection to Javier Bardem would definitely be there.  Also, I wonder whether she could still appear in a future Bond.  Since Irma Bunt is not in SPECTRE, I Could imagine her being a major player in BOND 25, maybe actually becoming the big female villain going where Elektra didn´t.  She could be the one getting Blofeld out of prison.  With both being a deadly couple the relationship between Bond and Madeleine could be an interesting mirror.

[Guy Haines]

I wonder...
 

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... whether one of the first rumors - Penelope Cruz as an "older" Bond girl - was actually a real consideration.  Either for a female Blofeld - or for the role that went to Monica Bellucci?  The connection to Javier Bardem would definitely be there.  Also, I wonder whether she could still appear in a future Bond.  Since Irma Bunt is not in SPECTRE, I Could imagine her being a major player in BOND 25, maybe actually becoming the big female villain going where Elektra didn´t.  She could be the one getting Blofeld out of prison.  With both being a deadly couple the relationship between Bond and Madeleine could be an interesting mirror.

This I also like;

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and can see going from bad to worse, if thats possible, between Bond and Blofeld. Supposing Blofeld's consort is glamourous, as suggested. And for safety's sake, Bond has left Madeleine to confront his nemesis? Given the OHMSS precedent - in love with Tracy, but, er, all those lovely ladies in the clinic - do we honestly think Bond won't try to turn the villainess in his usual way? With Blofeld fuming on the sidelines ready to kick the cat? ;-)

[SecretAgentFan]

 

I wonder...
 

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... whether one of the first rumors - Penelope Cruz as an "older" Bond girl - was actually a real consideration.  Either for a female Blofeld - or for the role that went to Monica Bellucci?  The connection to Javier Bardem would definitely be there.  Also, I wonder whether she could still appear in a future Bond.  Since Irma Bunt is not in SPECTRE, I Could imagine her being a major player in BOND 25, maybe actually becoming the big female villain going where Elektra didn´t.  She could be the one getting Blofeld out of prison.  With both being a deadly couple the relationship between Bond and Madeleine could be an interesting mirror.

This I also like;

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and can see going from bad to worse, if thats possible, between Bond and Blofeld. Supposing Blofeld's consort is glamourous, as suggested. And for safety's sake, Bond has left Madeleine to confront his nemesis? Given the OHMSS precedent - in love with Tracy, but, er, all those lovely ladies in the clinic - do we honestly think Bond won't try to turn the villainess in his usual way? With Blofeld fuming on the sidelines ready to kick the cat? ;-)

 

 

It definitely would be typical Bond.  Then again - Bloferhauser is not really a match, is he?  I´d rather see Bond actually face a woman who is immune to his charms, Fiona-like.

 

Either way, an Irma Bunt that is highly attractive would be a great way to re-invent the character, IMO.

[Guy Haines]

I wonder...
 

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... whether one of the first rumors - Penelope Cruz as an "older" Bond girl - was actually a real consideration.  Either for a female Blofeld - or for the role that went to Monica Bellucci?  The connection to Javier Bardem would definitely be there.  Also, I wonder whether she could still appear in a future Bond.  Since Irma Bunt is not in SPECTRE, I Could imagine her being a major player in BOND 25, maybe actually becoming the big female villain going where Elektra didn´t.  She could be the one getting Blofeld out of prison.  With both being a deadly couple the relationship between Bond and Madeleine could be an interesting mirror.

This I also like;

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and can see going from bad to worse, if thats possible, between Bond and Blofeld. Supposing Blofeld's consort is glamourous, as suggested. And for safety's sake, Bond has left Madeleine to confront his nemesis? Given the OHMSS precedent - in love with Tracy, but, er, all those lovely ladies in the clinic - do we honestly think Bond won't try to turn the villainess in his usual way? With Blofeld fuming on the sidelines ready to kick the cat? ;-)

 
It definitely would be typical Bond.  Then again - Bloferhauser is not really a match, is he?  I´d rather see Bond actually face a woman who is immune to his charms, Fiona-like.
 
Either way, an Irma Bunt that is highly attractive would be a great way to re-invent the character, IMO.

No, our villain is not a match;

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and without wishing to delve too deep, I wonder if that was also at the heart of Oberhauser's jealousy of Bond - that even when he knew him with his dad those two winters, Bond was always superior, even though younger, at everything and Oberhauser hated him for it? Blofeld fuming as Bond seduces his female accomplice might be typical

[Aziz Fekkesh]

I saw "SPECTRE" last night and quite liked it. As far as a two-parter is concerned, I think it's an interesting idea, but with all of the cross-film-woven-threads-origin-stories in the last four films I'm ready for a good old stand-alone Bond film that's neither sequel nor prequel. (I have to confess to being a little weary of how-he-got-the-DB5 explanations - what's next? an essay contest?) Most of the pre-Craig Bonds completely ignore events from the prior films anyway. Moneypenny's souvenir request to the recently widowered Bond in DAF comes to mind: "A diamond? In a ring?"

 

Sorry. Bit grumpy. Wanted to enjoy the movie more than I did.

[seawolfnyy]

I really don't like the 2-parter idea. My thought is that Craig will only be around for one more film anyway and who would want a two-part film with Bond being played by two different actors? I think there's enough story left for Craig's Bond to finish his journey. I did like Spectre, but kind of felt like it lost it's way. Oberhauser will return I think and possibly Madeleine too. Though, I'd like to see her survive. I could see a scenario where she breaks Bond's heart by telling her that she can't be a part of his life even after he saves her. I think it'd be a nice change-up from the usual, hero pushing the love interest away to protect her. One scenario I could see is Bond deciding to go after Oberhauser/Blofeld and being forced to leave Madeleine behind.

[casinoroyale75]

I think it will be essentially a 2 parter. Bond seems to tap into the essence of the Fast and Furious movies lately...maybe just me though.

[Bucky]

I know they will not do it, but I would like them to do a 2 parter where Bond only has a minor role in the first part since he is enjoying retirement with Madeleine. Irma Bunt could be the villain in 25 with a thunderball like scheme but her demands would be for the release of blofeld. M tries to get bond's help but he doesn't want to have anything to do with that life anymore. Needless to say the remaining 00s are not successful, blofeld is released, and it ends in tragedy for bond. This would then be followed by a pretty faithful adaptation of yolt for Craig's final film.

[freemo]

I'm not as into the idea of two parters, cliffhangers, bridges, or ongoing "story arcs" as other seem to be.

 

What I actually like about the Craig Bonds - and about how the "era" has ultimately been put together - is both how each film adds to whats come before, and how each film has it's own specific statement to make, adding a new floor to the building, a new layer to the mythos, and building upwards and outwards, rather than along some dreary "story arc" straight line.

 

CR = the "Bond Begins" single.

CR + QoS = the "Love Knot" duology.

CR + QoS + SF = the "Bond and M" trilogy.

CR + QoS + SF + SP = the "Spectres" quartet.

 

Notice how the Craig Bonds always manage to feel like both endings and new beginnings? I think I like that.

 

Have no idea what the next one will be. My guess is something along the lines of Bond, unable to say away, returning to this world "like a moth to a flame", but my guesses about where this era will go next have never been right yet. Someone suggested the next film could end with Bond and Madeline simply parting ways, and close with the image of Bond recieving a Christmas card from her and putting up on the fireplace mantle of that sparse Chelsea flat. CR + QoS + SF + SP + B25 = the "half monk, half hitman" quintet? I can see that.

[Professor Pi]

I feel like a lot of Bond films already come in pairs with a character or actor that links them--Sylvia Trench, the DBV, Charles Grey, JW Pepper, Jaws, General Gogol, Felix Leiter, Valentin Zukovsky, Rene Mathis.  I know the Die Another Day script originally had Wai Lin returning, but Michelle Yeoh wasn't available.  And OHMSS/FYEO make a great double bill despite being 12 years apart.  Skyfall and SPECTRE work well together being about mother and father figures.  Sure hope Bond starts gardening soon!

[DisneyGets007]

Rather than two parters;

I'd rather see The Martian War story for a three parter, but here are my suggested titles for the next Bond films (SPOILERS):

'The Great Martian War: Apocalypse Now'
'The Great Martian War: An Escape Alien'
'The Great Martian War: The Mystic Invasion'

[Jim]

Rather than two parters;
I'd rather see The Martian War story for a three parter, but here are my suggested titles for the next Bond films (SPOILERS):
'The Great Martian War: Apocalypse Now'
'The Great Martian War: An Escape Alien'
'The Great Martian War: The Mystic Invasion'

Eh?

[tdalton]

Clearly this will be the next Craig era homage to the past: Moonraker 2: The Great Martian War.

[AMC Hornet]

Rather than two parters;

I'd rather see The Martian War story for a three parter, but here are my suggested titles for the next Bond films (SPOILERS):

'The Great Martian War: Apocalypse Now'
'The Great Martian War: An Escape Alien'
'The Great Martian War: The Mystic Invasion'

Are you paying attention EON?

When Disney takes over, this is what the new fan base wants!

I have no title suggestions of my own to make - I'm of the old fan base, and clearly on my way out...

[Tarl_Cabot]

I think it would be an interesting note for Daniel Craig to go out on, An epic two parter. Not like Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace more in the vein of the last couple of Harry Potter and Hunger Games movies and the upcoming Avengers films.

 

A suggestion I have is base the first part on unused material from Fleming's The Man With The Golden Gun. Have it begin with Our Man being brainwashed by some rotters who want him to take out M. In the first part of the story he's basically like The Terminator stalking M with the intent of putting a bullet in his brain. M, Moneypenny and Q meanwhile try to work on a cure for him to bring him out of it. In the first part of the story - Bond is essentially the villain. The first part ends with him holding a gun to M's head - just before Q manages to bring him out of it somehow.

 

Part 2 begins with Our Man recuperating and determined to go after the people who did it to him - uncovering a shady scheme to brainwash top agents into doing the enemy's dirty work on their own soil. That would be an interesting way to do a two part Bond

 

Release Part 1 of the story in Summer 2017 and Part 2 for Christmas 2017. Don't make audiences wait a whole year to see how it pans out, just six months. Naturally make the films back to back. 

 

If Daniel Craig's time in the role is indeed coming to an end - this would be a great and original way (by Bond standards at least) to end his tenure. 

 

What do we think? 

why not? Avengers and JLA are doing the same thing. I wish they did this in 2007. That woulda been awesome to have 2 007 films in 2007. 

[univex]

Have no idea what the next one will be. My guess is something along the lines of Bond, unable to say away, returning to this world "like a moth to a flame".

 

Actually, "The Moth and the Flame" would be a wonderful title. I can see the titles with the hawkmoths and the fire