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Bond 25 & 26 a two parter?


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#1 ChickenStu

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Posted 10 August 2015 - 06:27 PM

I think it would be an interesting note for Daniel Craig to go out on, An epic two parter. Not like Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace more in the vein of the last couple of Harry Potter and Hunger Games movies and the upcoming Avengers films.

 

A suggestion I have is base the first part on unused material from Fleming's The Man With The Golden Gun. Have it begin with Our Man being brainwashed by some rotters who want him to take out M. In the first part of the story he's basically like The Terminator stalking M with the intent of putting a bullet in his brain. M, Moneypenny and Q meanwhile try to work on a cure for him to bring him out of it. In the first part of the story - Bond is essentially the villain. The first part ends with him holding a gun to M's head - just before Q manages to bring him out of it somehow.

 

Part 2 begins with Our Man recuperating and determined to go after the people who did it to him - uncovering a shady scheme to brainwash top agents into doing the enemy's dirty work on their own soil. That would be an interesting way to do a two part Bond

 

Release Part 1 of the story in Summer 2017 and Part 2 for Christmas 2017. Don't make audiences wait a whole year to see how it pans out, just six months. Naturally make the films back to back. 

 

If Daniel Craig's time in the role is indeed coming to an end - this would be a great and original way (by Bond standards at least) to end his tenure. 

 

What do we think? 



#2 bond_azoozbond

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Posted 10 August 2015 - 06:44 PM

I like it and I agree for more strange ideas with Craigs bond .. The only suggestion I would do is to release the first part in Christmas 2017, and the second part in Christmas 2018 ..

#3 ChickenStu

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Posted 10 August 2015 - 06:52 PM

Nah, don't make audiences wait a whole year for the story to play out. Question is, who would direct this monster? 



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Posted 10 August 2015 - 07:15 PM

For director:  Christopher Nolan.

 

As for Part I -- It would be the BOOK version of YOLT, with Blofeld pretending to be Shatterhand.  It need not be Japan, but the rest would work.  At the end, Bond is successful -- we think -- but in shock and lacking memory.  I think that to make the 2nd part viable and worthy, it would turn out that Blofeld somehow survived the Shatterhand -Part 1 and is around for the big wind-up.  In effect, SPECTRE becomes part 1 of a trilogy.

 

TMWTGG was more of a novella, not up to part with Fleming's prior Bond novels.  The story was made faithfully enough the first time it was filmed.  I don't think the follow-up to Shatterhand need be a TMWTGG re-telling, though, as many have noted, there are many sequences throughout the novels yet to be used to good effect.



#5 Guy Haines

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Posted 10 August 2015 - 08:31 PM

I don't think a remake of TMWTGG including the shock beginning is necessary. Once Bond has tried and failed to kill M he handed over to Sir James Molony and in no time at all he's back to being Bond and is so successful at it he's even offered a knighthood in the end.

I never really found that plausible in the novel - from brainwashed victim to restored agent in no time at all, and I can only assume that some revising of the manuscript of the novel needed doing and for obvious reasons wasn't done. (Even the movie SF didn't have Bond completely firing on all cylinders!)

I would, however, like to see the scene at the start of the novel incorporated into a new Bond film, as I mentioned in another post earlier.

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 12:16 PM

I'm not talking about doing a remake of The Man With The Golden Gun just use that bit of story material and expanding it. You know - like the way they used bits of Live And Let Die and a character from The Hildebrant Rarity in Licence To Kill. 



#7 Guy Haines

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 02:20 PM

Actually, I didn't think you were suggesting that either, but I agree with you that the opener from the novel TMWTGG would be an interesting way - to put it mildly! - to end Craig's tenure as Bond.

Or alternatively it could be a rather controversial way of introducing a new actor in the role!

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 03:27 PM

New mission, new locations, new allies, new women and new enemies.

Has worked pretty well for the last 50 years.

#9 Guy Haines

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Posted 12 August 2015 - 04:18 PM

Not quite new enemies though - SPECTRE figured in the 1960s more than once, Blofeld appeared three times - four if you count NSNA, six if you throw in the faceless appearances in FRWL and TB, seven if you count the man in the wheelchair in FYEO)

And possibly Blofeld will re-appear in a film called Spectre.

That said, I think I know what Mr_Wint is getting at. Perhaps a two parter finale for Craig should be a grand one-off rather than a template for the future.

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 04:54 PM

Or alternatively it could be a rather controversial way of introducing a new actor in the role!

 

Actually - I had an idea for a movie that I even considered writing as a spec script and sending to EON... a story about Bond being framed for a non sanctioned killing, fired from the Secret Service and sentenced to life in prison. After being sentenced he's on his way to be incarcerated when he turns the tables and escapes from custody.

The story is about him proving his innocence and finding the real culprit - all the while the Secret Service are hunting him. 

THAT I think would be the perfect story to introduce a new actor into the role. 



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Posted 20 August 2015 - 05:51 PM

ChickenStu, I think you have a great idea there - Bond as the fugutive, on the run from his own side, but still in the sights of the villains who have set him up. And as for those villains?

Well, lets say SPECTRE - supposedly beaten in the last two Craig movies, but a couple of films down the line re-formed, and not just out for retribution but also wanting to neutralise the one man who could stop that organisation before it re-started.

Alternatively, an old enemy from the Cold war era - would have to be pretty old by the 2020s though? Or some radical faction put out of business by Bond?

Either way, you couldn't call this scenario of yours "just another Bond story."

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 07:21 AM

On reflection, parts of this scenario have been done before in LTK - Bond the "rogue agent" having resigned and with his own side after him. Elements of that emerged in QoS also with the "capture or kill" order. But I wouldn't say his own side were trying too hard to get him - in LTK M says Bond has "got to be stopped" yet it seems MI6 is unaware, or not caring, the Q just happens to be "on holiday" in the same place as Bond. And in QoS M gets her orders from the government to stop Bond, but in the end defies them herself by letting him get on with it.

For this scenario to work his own side would have to be against him almost from the outset, as well as the bad guys, with no "let Bond be Bond" excuses from M and so on.

You could combine a "Bond as fugitive" scenario with another that sometimes pops up on sites like ours - I've suggested it sometimes myself - a "rogue element" within MI6 out to eliminate Bond, perhaps because he was on the brink of putting them and their schemes in jeapody - possibly without even realsing it. They could be the ones who set him up, in cahoots with the villains who want revenge.

Bond as conspiracy thriller? It may yet work, and I repeat I rather like this "fugitive" idea!

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 07:35 AM

On reflection, parts of this scenario have been done before in LTK - Bond the "rogue agent" having resigned and with his own side after him. Elements of that emerged in QoS also with the "capture or kill" order. But I wouldn't say his own side were trying too hard to get him - in LTK M says Bond has "got to be stopped" yet it seems MI6 is unaware, or not caring, the Q just happens to be "on holiday" in the same place as Bond. And in QoS M gets her orders from the government to stop Bond, but in the end defies them herself by letting him get on with it.

And it also sounds an awful lot like DAD. "The same person who set me up there has set me up again, and now I'm going aftah him..."

I can already see the tagline for this one: "This time it's personal..." :D



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Posted 21 August 2015 - 08:08 AM

Indeed. I'd overlooked DAD, which did include a one woman rogue element in Miranda Frost.

But if Bond's own side was genuinely after him, convinced he'd turned villainous - as opposed to what usually happens in these instances, when 007 has "gone rogue", M & co. go through the motions of stopping him but don't really try too hard - then this scenario suggested here could work.

In fact, wasn't there that "double" for Bond in the Raymond Benson novel "Doubleshot", who the Union syndicate uses to frame Bond for a terrorist incident?

And speaking of Raymond Benson - and going off topic a bit - this whole kerfuffle about Bond and the villain having a link from the past in the SPECTRE movie. Mr Benson has tried that already in Never Dream Of Dying - Bond and the Union chief Le Gerant being actually related by virtue of Bond's marriage to Tracy. So the Bond-&-villain-are-linked idea - done in a different way by Benson, but it has been done before, in print at least.

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 08:27 AM

Agreed.

 

And if BOND 25 is indeed Craig´s final entry, he should get the "Garden of Death"-scenario, going after Blofeld and killing him.  Then start BOND 26 with a new actor and a regular mission.



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Posted 21 August 2015 - 08:36 AM

Agreed.

I like the idea of the Garden of Death scenario for Craig's final film. Doesn't necessarily have to be in Japan - South America, or somewhere in Africa, perhaps? - but if Blofeld does return in SPECTRE and survives there ought to be scope for a proper final confrontation in Bond 25. The Craig movies have, imho, woven themes from the classic films into a new series of movies for the present day, and rounding off Craig's tenure in this way would be apt.

As for Bond 26 - and it's been mentioned before - the opening could introduce a new Bond a a very controversial way by using the opening scene from the novel of TMWTGG. It would upset some, but it would definitely be different!

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 10:08 AM

I like the idea of the Garden of Death scenario for Craig's final film. Doesn't necessarily have to be in Japan - South America, or somewhere in Africa, perhaps?...

Australia?



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Posted 21 August 2015 - 12:10 PM

Australia - or New Zealand? The former featured, is passing in John Pearson's "biography" of Bond as the place Irma Bunt had vanished to, carrying on with Blofeld's biological researches. Also featured in Raymond Benson's first Bond novel.

New Zealand - nice scenery and greenery, so why not.

But why not a villain with an artificially sustained garden of death in a place you would least expect it - say like the DAD Palace of Ice, or somewhere in Northern Canada - or even the Antarctic.

I'm letting my imagination run slightly wild here, but then again, so di Mr, Fleming at times!

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 01:48 PM

Bond as conspiracy thriller? It may yet work, and I repeat I rather like this "fugitive" idea!

 

I'm glad - and I think it needs to be saved for a new actor's first one. This would be the perfect story to introduce a new actor as Our Man. 

 

The story I had in mind begins with Our Man sent to arrest a dictator - but is shot. His injury is life threatening and debilitating and he has to learn to walk and talk again. Miraculously he makes a full recovery and is re-instated into the Service.

During his time recuperating, the villain who shot him has supposedly defected and has asked for Our Man to go in and get him out. Only once there Bond is set up to look like he kills the guy. He has a motive after all - as this guy was responsible for putting him in traction. 

Our Man is fired, sentenced to life in prison for murder - but escapes and goes on the run to prove his innocence and find out the truth behind the conspiracy.

A plot element I thought of introducing is 008 is sent after him. 008 is a female agent and whilst hunting our man she too begins to doubt his guilt. And of course, he boinks her. 

The climax of the story is Our Man finding out the bad guy's death was faked and he uncovers a conspiracy that leads right into the heart of MI6. In the final act he breaks into the building with the evidence and makes his way to the evidence room with 008's help. I thought we could have some interesting action sequences here of him hiding in vents and taking out security guards with tranquilliser darts. 

This story would be perfect for breaking in a new actor.



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Posted 21 August 2015 - 03:19 PM

 

I like the idea of the Garden of Death scenario for Craig's final film. Doesn't necessarily have to be in Japan - South America, or somewhere in Africa, perhaps?...

Australia?

 

 

Only if Blofeld is played by George Lazenby :P

 

Seriously speaking, I'd be very disappointed if the Garden of Death didn't make an appearance in Craig's final outing.



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Posted 21 August 2015 - 05:11 PM

ChickenStu - one thing I like about your scenario is the introduction of 008.

008 has been mentioned a few times - "008 can replace you" - but never seen.

Wouldn't it be interesting if this replacement was a woman? As capable if not moreso than Bond? And 008 has been sent out not so much to replace Bond as eliminate him?

The more I consider it, the more it might work, and the 008 reference would resonate with long time Bond fans. Whether they would like it is another matter.

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Posted 21 August 2015 - 07:25 PM

Wouldn't it be interesting if this replacement was a woman? As capable if not moreso than Bond? And 008 has been sent out not so much to replace Bond as eliminate him?

You mean Bond's Equal™? A Bond Woman, Not a Bond Girl™?

 

I can already hear them groan...



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Posted 21 August 2015 - 07:33 PM

I had no problem with Judi Dench as M and would have no problem at all with a female Double O agent in a future Bond film - something that was hinted at in the SF pre title credits scene with Eve, but, given that Q was being re-introduced it didn't take much, as the film progressed, to work out who Eve would really turn out to be.

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Posted 22 August 2015 - 05:40 AM

Wouldn't it be interesting if this replacement was a woman? As capable if not moreso than Bond? And 008 has been sent out not so much to replace Bond as eliminate him?

The more I consider it, the more it might work, and the 008 reference would resonate with long time Bond fans. Whether they would like it is another matter.

 

...And 008 could be played by Natalie Dormer.

 

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Posted 22 August 2015 - 06:34 AM

 

Bond as conspiracy thriller? It may yet work, and I repeat I rather like this "fugitive" idea!

 

The story I had in mind begins with Our Man sent to arrest a dictator - but is shot. His injury is life threatening and debilitating and he has to learn to walk and talk again. Miraculously he makes a full recovery and is re-instated into the Service.

During his time recuperating, the villain who shot him has supposedly defected and has asked for Our Man to go in and get him out. Only once there Bond is set up to look like he kills the guy. He has a motive after all - as this guy was responsible for putting him in traction. 

Our Man is fired, sentenced to life in prison for murder - but escapes and goes on the run to prove his innocence and find out the truth behind the conspiracy.

A plot element I thought of introducing is 008 is sent after him. 008 is a female agent and whilst hunting our man she too begins to doubt his guilt. And of course, he boinks her. 

The climax of the story is Our Man finding out the bad guy's death was faked and he uncovers a conspiracy that leads right into the heart of MI6. In the final act he breaks into the building with the evidence and makes his way to the evidence room with 008's help. I thought we could have some interesting action sequences here of him hiding in vents and taking out security guards with tranquilliser darts. 

This story would be perfect for breaking in a new actor.

 

 

Sorry - don´t want to stall your enthusiasm - but the beginning of your idea is SKYFALL all over again.  

 

And it´s impossible to pull off your idea about someone having to learn to walk and talk again - and then being reinstated as a fully functional agent.  Those injuries you´re talking about will prohibit that.

 

And sending a female agent after him... c´mon, not a Jinx-scenario again, please.

 

And the conspiracy at the heart of Mi6... um... SPECTRE?

 

 

I´m absolutely convinced that any actor following Craig should be a very different Bond, with his own strengths and tics.  EON will have to offer something different, not a "we´re giving you Craig 2" because that can only fail.  That´s why Moore was exactly right after Connery.



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Posted 07 September 2015 - 01:30 AM

I'd love to see a two-parter, but only if it was good. The reason being simply because a Bond movie every 3-4 years is not enough for me. Maybe if they did some TV specials, that would help to pass the time between movies.



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Posted 07 September 2015 - 07:31 AM

And if BOND 25 is indeed Craig´s final entry, he should get the "Garden of Death"-scenario, going after Blofeld and killing him.  Then start BOND 26 with a new actor and a regular mission.

I still think this is the likely course of action. They've just established SPECTRE and Oberhauser, so there has to be some sort of payoff. 



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Posted 07 September 2015 - 08:42 PM

A two parter is an intriguing idea, but it really has to have a truly engaging story.



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Posted 09 September 2015 - 12:49 AM

The final scene of SPECTRE is Bond driving up to a lake in the Aston Martin. Getting out, he is looking over its tranquil beauty when he receives a phone call.

Taking out his mobile he answers. A voice asks him if he is James Bond.

He answers with a yes, and is promptly shot in the leg.

Crawling away in pain Christoph Waltz comes and stands over him.

In a menacing voice he says, "The name's Blofeld... Ernst. Stavro. Blofeld."

Cut to Black.



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Posted 09 September 2015 - 07:36 AM

I really hope they don't do the two-parter fad.  To me it's never been done well yet.  In fact, I kind of dread it.  The Harry Potter two-parter was kind of embarrassing.  I love getting a new installment each time and I don't see Bond scripts juicy enough to be 4 and a half hour epics.  Especially Purvis and Wade scripts. 

 

It's mainly that I have zero confidence that they would be great.  If the first half isn't great, then it's already a double letdown.  I'm just too nervous and too god-fearing to live in a world where I think they could pull it off. 

 

I'm also not ready to live in a world where I have to decide whether it counts as one entry or two.