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[thecasinoroyale]

Mm. I'm not sold he is Blofeld to be honest. And in the pictures, I'm fronted with more questions:

 

1) Why hasn't the man at the head of the table got 2 "minders" like everyone else at the sides has.

 

2) Waltz, in the official picture', certainly is at the side. There is a man on the door behind him like there is with everyone else in the overhead shot, behind the 2 "minders". I am 90% confident Waltz is not at the head of the table that we can't see.

 

3) The chap at the head of the table doesn't seem to have a headphones. Waltz does. I would have thought if he was heading, he wouldn't have the headphones and they would be for those listening.

 

4) A reveal may be for dramatic effect for Bond to see it's a person from his past etc, not necessarily for our benefit for a big 'Blofeld' style reveal from the shadows. Bond sees it's Oberhauser and a few pieces of the puzzle fall into place for him, not us.

 

 

He may well be "head" of a certain section or even a #2 figure. Early days I know, and it's just my theory, but at present I don't think he's the head.

[sharpshooter]

The teaser clearly indicates that Waltz is Ernst Stavro Blofeld. So that's what they want us to believe, for now.

I think so, too. Blofeld's face is usually hidden before his big reveal.

[Vauxhall]

The teaser clearly indicates that Waltz is Ernst Stavro Blofeld. So that's what they want us to believe, for now.

I think so, too. Blofeld's face is usually hidden before his big reveal.

Indeed. His face is also hidden in the funeral scene. Waltz has his back to the camera, and I imagine that's all we see throughout that sequence.

[x007AceOfSpades]

Mm. I'm not sold he is Blofeld to be honest. And in the pictures, I'm fronted with more questions:

 

1) Why hasn't the man at the head of the table got 2 "minders" like everyone else at the sides has.

 

2) Waltz, in the official picture', certainly is at the side. There is a man on the door behind him like there is with everyone else in the overhead shot, behind the 2 "minders". I am 90% confident Waltz is not at the head of the table that we can't see.

 

3) The chap at the head of the table doesn't seem to have a headphones. Waltz does. I would have thought if he was heading, he wouldn't have the headphones and they would be for those listening.

 

4) A reveal may be for dramatic effect for Bond to see it's a person from his past etc, not necessarily for our benefit for a big 'Blofeld' style reveal from the shadows. Bond sees it's Oberhauser and a few pieces of the puzzle fall into place for him, not us.

 

 

He may well be "head" of a certain section or even a #2 figure. Early days I know, and it's just my theory, but at present I don't think he's the head.

 

Mm. I'm not sold he is Blofeld to be honest. And in the pictures, I'm fronted with more questions:

 

1) Why hasn't the man at the head of the table got 2 "minders" like everyone else at the sides has.

 

2) Waltz, in the official picture', certainly is at the side. There is a man on the door behind him like there is with everyone else in the overhead shot, behind the 2 "minders". I am 90% confident Waltz is not at the head of the table that we can't see.

 

3) The chap at the head of the table doesn't seem to have a headphones. Waltz does. I would have thought if he was heading, he wouldn't have the headphones and they would be for those listening.

 

4) A reveal may be for dramatic effect for Bond to see it's a person from his past etc, not necessarily for our benefit for a big 'Blofeld' style reveal from the shadows. Bond sees it's Oberhauser and a few pieces of the puzzle fall into place for him, not us.

 

 

He may well be "head" of a certain section or even a #2 figure. Early days I know, and it's just my theory, but at present I don't think he's the head.

1.) Waltz IS at the head of the table and NOT on the side. In the teaser trailer, when we first are in the SPECTRE meeting room, it's clear or at least presumed BOND is just arriving. If you look at the person in the overhead shot, the background behind them is clearly different then the sides. It's an indication that Waltz is at the head, just the opposite side of the overhead shot we've seen.

2.) See 1.)

3.) So any head of a major organization isn't allowed to have headphones.

4.) Nothing to add.

[thecasinoroyale]

Mm....my brain is telling me something else so just means I'm more eager to see the next trailer!

 

Until I see a white cat I'm not sold on the Blofeld thing now...

 

 

...actually, crikey, if you turn the brightness up on that official picture and the teaser really high...well....ok I'm sold!

 

 

[x007AceOfSpades]

Because Blofeld really needs a white cat to be, well, Blofeld....

[thecasinoroyale]

That'll convince me more than his position at a table right now. I'm certain this is all for Bond's sake and his revelation, not ours. It's just to obvious it's not going to surprise many people which is what I thought they would want to do with this return of SPECTRE.

[Guy Haines]

The headphones - yes, I agree with royaldalton, for translation purposes. And if all the boardroom members have them, might be a neat way of inflicting a nasty punishment on some SPECTRE member who has failed. I'm thinking LALD or - and ESB did it in this film, FYEO.

 

As for the reveal of Blofeld - the whole thing is being set up, I think, to have us convinced it is ESB in the shadows. Another trick? Another bit of "retro-familiarity", such as the Aston Martin DB5? And then later we find out that the figure at the end of the table really is Franz Oberhauser, and that the name isn't an alias? I wouldn't be at all surprised.

 

One other point - the teaser certainly gives the impression, and I know that won't please everyone in our forums, that Spectre is as much a film about James Bond as a "James Bond film". My own view is the "psychological" stuff doesn't bother me as long as the film delivers in all the other Bond film departments.

[thecasinoroyale]

This could be a real espionage thriller I'm hoping, much like early days of the Conner era; investigation, clue deduction, sinister threats on a global scale, unknown enemies...that's what I love and hope to see more of, with the trademark action of course.

[Vauxhall]

Another bit of evidence to show that Waltz is sat at the other end of the table to what we see from above - look at which direction everyone at the table is looking.

[Vauxhall]

Fairly decent shot-by-shot analysis of the teaser trailer by IGN: 

http://uk.ign.com/ar...-rewind-theater

 

I think they've got a couple of things wrong, but not too bad.

[thecasinoroyale]

Nice to lots of positive reaction and features on the teaser around social media in the last few days.

[stromberg]

Another bit of evidence to show that Waltz is sat at the other end of the table to what we see from above - look at which direction everyone at the table is looking.

Well, they're all looking towards someone who's seated at the end of the table. Which doesn't necessarily that it is whoever is played by Waltz  

 

What gives it away is the positions of the chairs on the wall. On the short ends (I assume it's the same in the one we don't see), the chairs are positioned underneath the square panels. On the long sides, the are positioned between them. Also, there are chairs on the left and right behind Waltz. In the last shot of the trailer, you can see that the guy on the right is sitting on one of them. He's standing in the still they released, but you can catch a glimpse of the one on the left in that still. All this is not the case on the short end we can see in the trailer. There's no chairs and no men standing behind the guy on that end - unlike with anyone else seated on that table.

 

This looks very much like a trial to me. The Soviets did it that way, as described in one of the Frederick Forsyth books: you go to a meeting and on the way, you get held up for a few moments by someone. And when you enter the room, all seats on the table are occupied, except for the on on the end of the table - the culprit's chair. And then you know what's going to happen: someone usually dies.

[Robinson]

Indeed. BTW - Nice to see you around Robinson. Cheers.

 

 

Thanks Bryce, it's good to be seen. Have been lurking, in the forums for months and I'm loving the conversations, photos and analysis I'm reading here.

 

Hope to post more, when I'm not doing the parent and husband thing! 

[thecasinoroyale]

Agh - parenting and husbanding. Always gets in the way of what's important I find!

[quantumofsolace]

What did we learn from the SPECTRE teaser trailer

http://www.denofgeek...-teaser-trailer

[Bryce (003)]

 

Indeed. BTW - Nice to see you around Robinson. Cheers.

 

 

Thanks Bryce, it's good to be seen. Have been lurking, in the forums for months and I'm loving the conversations, photos and analysis I'm reading here.

 

Hope to post more, when I'm not doing the parent and husband thing! 

 

Yes, that sort of thing does get in the way of being a secret agent. Cheers!

[SecretAgentFan]

By the way - I just saw the German version of the teaser - and boy, how bad is that translation?  

 

Instead of "you´re a kite dancing in a hurricane" Mr. White says "you´re a toy in a hurricane".  And Waltz´ delivering of his lines in the final moments of the trailer - so deliciously evil and menacing in the original version - are almost weepy and friendly.  I really hope they will take more care with the dubbing of the film.

 

Another reason why I watch movies in their original language...

[JCRendle]

Didn't Waltz dub himself in the German trailer?

[thecasinoroyale]

"A toy in a hurricane"? That just sucks all meaning from that line and Bond's predicament, sort of. That's really odd.

 

 

Had to go and watch it of course, it does sound a little like Waltz in German...

[AFarewelltoArms]

Yes, Waltz dubbed himself in the german trailer. And in my ears he sounds appropriate sinister there.

 

On the whole the original may have a greater impact, but i liked the german version nonetheless. It's not one of these trailer-dubbings they put hastily together so often. And they didn't use the german word for "kite" because it's the same than the word for "dragon".

 

Could be kind of missleading for the audience. A Bond movie with Smaug in it :-)

[JCRendle]

And they didn't use the german word for "kite" because it's the same than the word for "dragon".

 

Good premiere post! Welcome to the forum.

 

Thanks for the clarification. Surely there would be more appropriate phrases they could have used, instead of toy.

 

"You are a leaf, dancing in a hurricane" "You are a balloon, dancing in a hurricane" "You are a moth..." etc.

[SecretAgentFan]

Exactly.  For my ears, the German version completely messed up the sinister atmosphere of the teaser.  But of course that kind of thing very often happens in German versions of previews.  The final dubbing will be better.  Hopefully.

[JCRendle]

I could imagine "You are a butterfly, dancing in a hurricane" "I may be a butterfly, but I still sting like a bee"

[thecasinoroyale]

Haha...nice.

 

 

And welcome to our slice of 00-heaven, AFarewelltoArms. 

[Guy Haines]

Christoph Waltz sounded sinister enough in English. Whether he's Oberhauser or, er, someone else he says he's not, that trailer leaves me in no doubt he's playing the villain of the piece.

 

And Jesper Christensen gets the best lines in the teaser trailer, imho - we'll have to see what else he has to say for himself in the rest of the film. In a few moments, in CR, QoS and now Spectre, he's created an enigmatic character - he's not on for long, we don't know who is really is, but he's there at key moments in the first two films, and most likely the third he's in.