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#211 plankattack

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 07:07 PM

 

The leaks are being linked according to the Telegraph, to this "Guardians Of The Peace" outfit - believed to be backed by North Korea. Is it all down to a recent Sony film making fun of the North Korean leader - or is it their belated revenge for DAD? :)

 

(And I seem to remember that the "dear leader"'s dear old dad was the biggest Bond fan for yards around in downtown Pyongyang - probably the only Bond fan for yards around there!)

 

Now it all makes sense. It's revenge for DAD! Join the queue, I say, 'cos I've still got an axe to grind about the invisible car.....



#212 Hockey Mask

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 07:16 PM

 

 

The leaks are being linked according to the Telegraph, to this "Guardians Of The Peace" outfit - believed to be backed by North Korea. Is it all down to a recent Sony film making fun of the North Korean leader - or is it their belated revenge for DAD? :)

 

(And I seem to remember that the "dear leader"'s dear old dad was the biggest Bond fan for yards around in downtown Pyongyang - probably the only Bond fan for yards around there!)

 

Now it all makes sense. It's revenge for DAD! Join the queue, I say, 'cos I've still got an axe to grind about the invisible car.....

 

The tidal wave made the invisible car look classy!



#213 Guy Haines

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 07:17 PM

I can't be the only one who appreciates Bond who joined the dots when "Hacking", "Sony", "Bond film" and "North Korea" all appeared in the same report. ;) Never mind that more recent comedy about the Democratic People's Republic's own version of "Number1" - DAD didn't exactly show the place in a favourable light!



#214 Matt_13

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 07:28 PM

(I'm not going to lie though - this has been one of the best threads to be killing off time at work today!)


You're not kidding :P

Glad I haven't read the content yet. The discussion of its implications has been entertaining enough.

#215 Marcin

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 07:28 PM

If films like TMWTGG, MR, TND, TWINE and DAD did not kill the franchise, then there is no way that a movie directed by the best director ever to work on a Bond film could do that. I trust Sam Mendes about making the right story choices much more than I ever would trust 99% of Bond fans. (By the way, had not the franchise already turned into a joke on several occasions (MR or DAD) before being resurrected?)


At this point I must admit that I'm one of a few people who actually like TWINE :).
Anyway I know you're right. Like I said, that was my first thought, exaggerated, surely.
Nevertheless, I fear that IF it's in the final version of the script (again, I am aware that it can be completely different), the Bond franchise will be in very different position it's today.

#216 Hockey Mask

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 07:44 PM

TWINE > TND & DAD



#217 Bryce (003)

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 07:45 PM

"Much Ado About Nothing" springs to mind at this point.

 

Catching up on all of the speculation here. Firstly, I wan't to say how much I appreciate everyone minding the rules and keeping it all vague in reference to the leaks and not posting any links.

 

To just "read you in" for some of the newer members, we had a an issue back with DAD in 2002. Late summer, some script pages and storyboards got out. The ended up linked here and there was a ton of speculation. Two days later, our own Admiral (all of a fine chap of 17) was served with a cease and desist notice and threatened with legal action. The forums were immediately shut down. All was peaceably resolved, but the MGM Lion swatted us pretty good.  The fact was that, unlike what appears to be the case here, the pages were actual shooting script pages that are in the film along with storyboards of the Aston/Jaguar chase.

 

So, matters like this make the Team a bit edgy.

 

The whole Sony debacle is it's own mess, but has little to do with Bond really. What's been really cool is that more than the concerns over our beloved hero and his newest adventure, is the undeniable passion we all have the series and 007.

 

Bond fans at their best. For those of you that have lifted the lid on this particular Pandora's box and fretted yourself, well, your choice. 

 

I'm not worried. We'll get the goods and some damn great ones at that.



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Posted 11 December 2014 - 07:58 PM

I hear that Pandora Box will be played by Lea Seydoux. 



#219 YOLT

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 08:06 PM

Having bad movies ( tastes differ ) is a different thing, betraying the writer and creator of a franchise is different. 



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Posted 11 December 2014 - 08:21 PM

I hear that Pandora Box will be played by Lea Seydoux. 

 

Okay...Points for that one. I'm still laughing.  :laugh:



#221 Vauxhall

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 09:17 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and suggest that some people will hate SPECTRE, some will like it and others may even love it. Same as SKYFALL, same as QUANTUM OF SOLACE and the same as the 21 other films. :)



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Posted 11 December 2014 - 09:41 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and suggest that some people will hate SPECTRE, some will like it and others may even love it. Same as SKYFALL, same as QUANTUM OF SOLACE and the same as the 21 other films. :)

Hear, hear. Bold statement there.  :P



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Posted 11 December 2014 - 09:46 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and suggest that some people will hate SPECTRE, some will like it and others may even love it. Same as SKYFALL, same as QUANTUM OF SOLACE and the same as the 21 other films. :)

Yep.



#224 DamnCoffee

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 11:08 PM

Encouraging words from Craig for those who think the script isn't up to scratch...

 

 

 

The 46-year-old performer, who’s playing James Bond for the fourth time in the eagerly awaited new film, expects “SPECTRE” to be better than the 2012 hit ‘Skyfall’, which made more than $1.1 billion at the overall film industry.

 

Craig talking about the movie revealed ”We’ve got an amazing cast and, I think, a better script than we had last time.”

 

The title of the new Sam Mendes-regulated film identifies with the Special Executive for Counter-brainpower, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion (SPECTRE), which is headed by notorious malevolence virtuoso Ernst Stavro Blofeld, the scarred super-scalawag whose association had noticeable impact in the ‘Dr. No’ and “Thunderball” motion pictures.

 

In any case, Daniel has declined to affirm or deny bits of gossip that Christoph Waltz – who is playing a character called Oberhauser – will truly be playing Bond’s old foe Blofeld, saying individuals would need to ”wait and see”.

Craig added: ”We started something in ‘Skyfall’, it felt like a beginning of something. This feels like a continuation of that. We’re going to put all of those elements in, and much more.”

 

 

 

 

I did have a bit of a glance at the content but I must stress, as other people have said already, that this was from a very early stage of development, I did have a bit of an odd feeling at first too, but most if not all the notes on that email would've been corrected in future drafts. I'm confident that Mendes and the team can come up with something to rival Skyfall. Maybe Mendes, Broccoli and Wilson were all unsatisfied with Logans efforts as well, it makes a lot of sense since Logan left over creative differences, and Mendes is now selling his share of Penny Dreadful. Which was, ironically, dreadful. Maybe Logan was just a bit of a one hit wonder with Bond. His work on Skyfall was great enough, but apart from the base of the story none of his other ideas made it into the final draft, the script had a pretty heavy rewrite so every reservation one has about those notes that make Spectre seem a bit melodramatic and undercooked should really take into account that they probably will not appear in the final film. This is no Quantum of Solace. At least they entered production with a final script. They all seemed pretty happy about announcing Spectre. Did anyone else not see Barbara Broccoli positively bursting with excitement when Mendes was talking? They all seem pretty confident with the direction they're taking. I do want that gunbarrel back at the start though, seeing Craig swagger along that screen and opening the film would be pure magic. Fingers crossed this time. 


Edited by DamnCoffee, 11 December 2014 - 11:11 PM.


#225 Call Billy Bob

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 11:36 PM

I do want that gunbarrel back at the start though, seeing Craig swagger along that screen and opening the film would be pure magic. Fingers crossed this time. 

THIS. If nothing else, I want THIS.



#226 DamnCoffee

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 11:45 PM

There is one thing that is bugging me though...

 

Massive Spoilers!

 

Spoiler


Edited by DamnCoffee, 11 December 2014 - 11:47 PM.


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Posted 11 December 2014 - 11:47 PM


I'm not worried. We'll get the goods and some damn great ones at that.

My thoughts exactly. I haven't read the leaks, and don't plan to. I will wait to see the finished product.



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Posted 11 December 2014 - 11:49 PM

They could have another Craig outing after this. SPECTRE lulling Bond into a false sense of security. However it runs the risk of re-using the same concepts seen after the PTS of Skyfall. I'm not sure how many more times they could do that. 



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Posted 11 December 2014 - 11:59 PM

I've read the leaks and I have to say that the reveal about SPECTRE (if it stays) is absolutely Lee Tamahori code-name-theory atrocious. In a glass half full sense though there is no mention of invisible cars, windsurfing or Halle Berry cameos so I can still see at least 3/4ths of the movie being quite good.

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Posted 12 December 2014 - 12:12 AM

I've read the leaks and I have to say that the reveal about SPECTRE (if it stays) is absolutely Lee Tamahori code-name-theory atrocious.

Preach.



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Posted 12 December 2014 - 12:32 AM


I've read the leaks and I have to say that the reveal about SPECTRE (if it stays) is absolutely Lee Tamahori code-name-theory atrocious.

Preach.

I've thought about this and what really bothers me about it is how it would also retrospectively trash Skyfall. I thought we were supposed to see the relationship between Bond and Silva and M as a nuanced and ambiguous one. If this SPECTRE reveal is true, I dont think that was really the case. In Mendes' world i guess everyone is driven solely by mommy and daddy issues.

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Posted 12 December 2014 - 12:36 AM

Regarding the ending, while it sounds like a wrap up to the Craig-Era, keep in mind films like Dirty Harry had what looked like a neat finish to the characters story before he returned in Magnum Force and a number of other sequels. An 'ending' isn't an ending in a series like Bond. How many times has Bond ridden off into the sunset with the girl only for him to be back for duty on screen a few years later.



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Posted 12 December 2014 - 12:50 AM

Yes, the Oberhauser mentioned in these all-caps emails sounds like the same Monte Cristo archetype as Silva. It's weird that they'd reuse exactly the same trope in the very next film. But I suppose it's just the logical climax of the Anakinization of James Bond. Whatever supervillainy might be going on anywhere in the world, it must eventually be traced back to some "dark secret" in Bond's childhood. It's a narrative fad that you see everywhere in recent franchise-based cinema, from Harry Potter to Star Wars to the Matrix. Every protagonist is the Chosen One. 


Edited by Fairbanks, 12 December 2014 - 12:51 AM.


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Posted 12 December 2014 - 01:30 AM

After reading all the replies in here and spending a good ten to twelve hours actually thinking the plot notes over, I'm still divided. I'm going to tell myself that Logan's first draft was rewritten by P&W and that necessary changes were done. My only concern more than anything was the ending. If that still stays intact, then I don't even know. If Craig stays on for one more, than it's not a problem. If not, it's a bit of a situation. It'll be two Bond films (Skyfall & Spectre) dwelling on the "You're too old for this line of work" and similar themes, so going with a younger actor is a bit funny. That then points to the door Franchises always go through when they usually back themselves into a corner: REBOOT. Bond needed a fresh start and a reboot was completely necessary and Casino Royale turned out to be quite the film! However, I don't think I could handle yet another Bond reboot (should that be the next step). Especially with EON backing themselves into a corner with Craig's Bond and the character's age (if you catch my drift.). As far as I'm concerned, Spectre is the fourth and final film in the Craig era. Again, I'm going by those old plot notes back in March & May, but I can see this being a send off film for Craig, tying up every loose end.

 

They could have another Craig outing after this. SPECTRE lulling Bond into a false sense of security. However it runs the risk of re-using the same concepts seen after the PTS of Skyfall. I'm not sure how many more times they could do that. 

Pretty much what I thought. While it made sense, or at least somewhat made sense with Skyfall, they're pushing it with Spectre and if it goes onto Bond 25, should Craig stay on, then I don't know what else to do.

 

I'm going to go out on a limb here, and suggest that some people will hate SPECTRE, some will like it and others may even love it. Same as SKYFALL, same as QUANTUM OF SOLACE and the same as the 21 other films. :)

Hear, hear. Bold statement there.  :P

 

Well said! :)



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Posted 12 December 2014 - 01:33 AM

They could have another Craig outing after this. SPECTRE lulling Bond into a false sense of security. However it runs the risk of re-using the same concepts seen after the PTS of Skyfall. I'm not sure how many more times they could do that. 

 

Well, if there's one thing that EON is good at, it's overusing certain narrative themes in their films.  If Bond 25 somehow turns out to be a completely non-personal film, it'll be the first time in over 30 years that we've seen such a Bond film.  They've completely run that narrative element, as well as the whole trust issue element, completely into the ground and then some.



#236 sharpshooter

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Posted 12 December 2014 - 01:39 AM

At the end of Skyfall, when M asks if Bond's ready to get back into work, he replies "with pleasure." That reply tells the audience Bond is up for the fight. He's eager.

Spoiler

 

Who knows.


Edited by sharpshooter, 12 December 2014 - 01:48 AM.


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Posted 12 December 2014 - 01:48 AM

I read all the spoilers and I have to agree that IF this is the direction they are going in, I'm not happy.  It's terrible.  For God's sake can we finally just get a Bond film where Bond actually goes on a mission to defend the national security of Great Britain?!  I'm so bloody tired of the plot always having to involve Bond's past or someone in it.  And I don't want to hear, "well that's how the series use to be."  Bull****!  At some point in the series, people are going to be wanting a good old fashion Bond movie.  When I left the theatre after watching Skyfall, I heard people say, "It was good but I'm ready for a regular Bond film, where are the gadgets and I want the gun barrel to come back."  I couldn't agree more.  And that ending, IF true is absolutely terrible.  It's been done in another movie that I've seen from the 70's and 80's.  I mean why would they have him do that anyway?!  Why do these current movies have to connect as well?  If these notes are true of the script, I really have to wonder why they are taking Bond in this direction.  They might as well just have Bond be a farmer in Bond 25, but have him battle the natural elements and pests in order to save his crops.  That's how crazy to me those leaked spoilers sound.



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Posted 12 December 2014 - 01:50 AM

At the end of Skyfall, when M asks if Bond's ready to get back into work, he replies "with pleasure." That reply tells the audience Bond is up for the fight. He's eager.

Spoiler

 

Who knows.

Agreed



#239 EyesOnly

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Posted 12 December 2014 - 01:50 AM

Is everyone generally happy/pleased/satisfied with Craig's Bond films? Are people happy with the direction its gone in and where it will possibly go?



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Posted 12 December 2014 - 01:51 AM

As mention already.......mendes did not look concern about the Sony hack which had a chance to some info on Bond related stuff would they really have a press conference like if they knew bad stuff could possible leak  out? .....I am sure this is nothing but early draft ideas........I sure EON is laughing at oh those believe in these stuff