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[tdalton]

Eventually they're going to have to get over all of the winks at the audience and get on with making something that stands up entirely on its own.  Yes, the occasional wink to the audience is OK, but they've really gone overboard with it in the Craig films, which is odd since this is supposed to be a reboot that's completely detached from everything that came before it.

 

The bigger problem is that the DB5 has featured as a key plot point in two of Craig's three films and is now poised to return for a third time in four films.  It's just going a bit overboard for me, especially now when a wink to the audience has served as a major plot point in all three of Craig's films thus far (winning the DB5 in CR, Fields drowning in oil in QOS, DB5 as a means of escape and weapon in SF). 

 

EON needs to start worrying about creating their own iconography in this new era rather than relying on what has come before.  Eventually they'll come to a point where there will be an audience who doesn't remember and/or doesn't care about what Connery and Moore's Bonds were doing back in the 60s and 70s and wont get and/or won't care about those winks to the audience.  Then, what iconography are they going to have to fall back on?

[thecasinoroyale]

A strong point tdalton and away from the rose-tinted glasses of the Craig era, that's a very good point about how much of a nod-and-a-wink they make the to previous 50 years when they wanted to "reboot" the character.

 

Enough of this drip-feeding about "Bond becoming the Bond we all know and love" because Craig never will be that persona of Bond. That was to reel people in, but we're here now and need something new and fresh. His Bond isn't a spin-off nod to the past - he's the new Bond and needs new traits to make his own without everything being compared to what has come before in little music motifs, in-jokes and props etc.

[Jim]

Yes, it's a very curious and well-made point, that. Having your reboot and eating it, to an extent.

 

 

A strong point tdalton and away from the rose-tinted glasses of the Craig era, that's a very good point about how much of a nod-and-a-wink they make the to previous 50 years when they wanted to "reboot" the character.

 

Enough of this drip-feeding about "Bond becoming the Bond we all know and love" because Craig never will be that persona of Bond. That was to reel people in, but we're here now and need something new and fresh. His Bond isn't a spin-off nod to the past - he's the new Bond and needs new traits to make his own without everything being compared to what has come before in little music motifs, in-jokes and props etc.

 

...gunbarrels...

[Harmsway]

EON can't win, can they? There's either too many callbacks or not nearly enough.

[Jim]

I'm sure they cry into their millions worrying about it.

 

It'll be fun to see it again, and it doesn't much matter in the long run, after all.

[Simon]

I take on board entirely all the iconography, the winks and nods.  To be sure, the familiarity of shared jokes and character knowledge is probably a part of what brings the larger audience back.

 

And we while accepted, at the time, the janitor whistling, and Veejay playing the theme, they were a one-offs in their own rights.  Veejay doesn't pop up in every movie doing the same thing.

 

What is more troubling me (it is a slow day...) is that, as someone above mentions, this is supposed to be a reboot, but a confusing reboot that really has not left its past alone.  And this together with an increasingly muddled referencing in terms of the DB5 and what it is supposed to mean in this new era - the 'reboot and eat it' analogy sums it up perfectly, and the meaning behind this phrase is that one Can't do both.

[glidrose]

Anybody else here baffled why discussion of a car has now taken up at least two pages of this thread? I honestly don't care if they use the same car, license plate, etc. I barely notice these things and I suspect few people will. Hell, I wish Bond would drive the Lotus he had in TSWLM. Love to see that car return. And I don't care if the producers want to wink and nod throughout these new films with references to the older films. Again, do many people really care?

 

I mean, c'mon. If you want something to kvetch about, start a discussion about the stainless steel deli Oberhauser fronts in SPECTRE.

 

That's right.

 

Oops, is this in the spoiler sub-forum? It is? Good!

[Harmsway]

The appearance of the Goldfinger DB5 in Skyfall strains continuity, but it doesn't break it.

FWIW, I think fans will generally applaud the use of the DB5 in SPECTRE. It's going to be a good moment.

[Simon]

Anybody else here baffled why discussion of a car has now taken up at least two pages of this thread? I honestly don't care if they use the same car, license plate, etc. I barely notice these things and I suspect few people will. Hell, I wish Bond would drive the Lotus he had in TSWLM. Love to see that car return. And I don't care if the producers want to wink and nod throughout these new films with references to the older films. Again, do many people really care?

 

Well, without wishing to point out the obvious, or to make you look stupid, you have kind of answered your own question.

 

Some care about the DB5, and are voicing it, while you don't.

 

You care about the Lotus, and voice it, while no one else does...

 

Horses for courses fella.  You could always just ignore this thread until it calms down or gets back on track, and go about your day.

[thecasinoroyale]

I think this is the most I've ever moaned about the Craig era. I feel like a traitor! 

[Matt_13]

I suppose it all comes down to how much we trust Mendes and co. to keep things on the up and up. The more I think about it the more I realize that they probably have a decent reason for it being back. It's always nice to see the car, but I do have to agree with tdalton on a point I myself have brought up several times: it's time for new iconography. Skyfall began that with the train entrance and the rooftop shot, but they need to start creating moments that will be honored at the end of the next 50 year period.

[Simon]

If nothing else, this should offer a question as to whether Dave Worrall wants to update his excellent Most Famous Car in the World book.

 

There is now probably more to write about, post the book's launch, than what was there to inspire it in the first place.

[Harmsway]

It's always nice to see the car, but I do have to agree with tdalton on a point I myself have brought up several times: it's time for new iconography.

The Craig era has been generally successful at exploring new territory. The Craig films are not endless nostalgia-fests, even if they do nod back to the past now and again.

The DB5's role in SPECTRE is minimal, so this discussion strikes me as being a little overblown. The DB10 has the spotlight.

[dirtymind]

Maybe the DB5 gets destroyed and that's why he's now driving the DB10.

[Vauxhall]

Maybe the DB5 gets destroyed and that's why he's now driving the DB10.

The DB5 was already destroyed, so it's probably far more likely Bond cajoles Her Majesty's loyal welders to recover what was left of the wreckage.

[univex]

We are in desperate need of some Mexico action! Seeing the Aston vs. Jag brawl for days and days produced some sort of cabin fever

(That being said, I fully agree with what Harms and Vaux said).

[marktmurphy]

I understand that we, the intensely interested forum members, would be able to explain anything away, given the time and the need to believe.

 

I believe I am trying to distance myself from this niche and perhaps see it from a general audience's point of view whose reaction will be one of,

 

'Didn't that get blown up in the last one, thingummyFall?  What the F***?  Fancy a pint?'

 

I feel like the Batmobile gets blown up occasionally. He just gets another one.

[x007AceOfSpades]

I don't see the problem with the DB5. It's an iconic piece of the Bond Mythis. The films are all make believe, and perhaps those cars are much more common in the Bondiverse. Just my $.02. I rather see 007 in DB5 than in any other car.

Couldn't have said it any better.

[tdalton]

The more I think about it the more I realize that they probably have a decent reason for it being back.

 

It's almost assuredly being brought back because it's a wink and a nod to the classic Connery films.  I can't imagine (or, at least I certainly hope not) that they're going to have the DB5 as an important plot point for three out of four films.

[Matt_13]

 

The more I think about it the more I realize that they probably have a decent reason for it being back.

 

It's almost assuredly being brought back because it's a wink and a nod to the classic Connery films.  I can't imagine (or, at least I certainly hope not) that they're going to have the DB5 as an important plot point for three out of four films.

 

The wink and a nod to the Connery films will always be the reason for the production team bringing it back, but I just hope in the context of this film being a direct sequel that they've included it for a decent reason, which with Mendes at the helm I'm confident they have.

[tdalton]

Maybe the way they bring it back is to infer that the end of Skyfall was all just a dream.  Dench's M didn't die and gets to ride off into the sunset of retirement, Bond's childhood home isn't destroyed, and, most importantly, the DB5 wasn't blown up.

[glidrose]

Anybody else here baffled why discussion of a car has now taken up at least two pages of this thread? I honestly don't care if they use the same car, license plate, etc. I barely notice these things and I suspect few people will. Hell, I wish Bond would drive the Lotus he had in TSWLM. Love to see that car return. And I don't care if the producers want to wink and nod throughout these new films with references to the older films. Again, do many people really care?

 
Well, without wishing to point out the obvious, or to make you look stupid, you have kind of answered your own question.
 
Some care about the DB5, and are voicing it, while you don't.
 
You care about the Lotus, and voice it, while no one else does...
 
Horses for courses fella.  You could always just ignore this thread until it calms down or gets back on track, and go about your day.

Thanks for misinterpreting my post. The issue isn't the DB5 in itself. It's the winks-and-nods-to-past-films and the continuity-errors-these-winks-and-nods-create debates I honestly don't fathom.

You may also want to try toning down the aggression. Thanks.

[Simon]

I am fine with the way it is poppet.

[Vauxhall]

Interesting from quantumofsolace: http://www.bbc.co.uk...-wales-31861644

Perhaps the lure of Bond isn't enough for everyone. I have a fair idea what they planned to film there, but let's see what, if anything, takes its place.

[Royal Dalton]

Yes. It looks very Adamesque in that particular shot, doesn't it.

[The Dove]

Reminds me of the United Nations council chambers at the beginning of LALD...

[Vauxhall]

Reminds me of the United Nations council chambers at the beginning of LALD...

Yes, indeed. If they plan to use a place like that, it must be for a large meeting of government heads or the like.

[The Dove]

Hmm... the fact that the Welsh government is refusing Bond permission to film there reminds me of something Terry Bamber said in the "From Script To Screen" documentary on the DAD UE dvd. When referring to the problems the production was having with the ice not freezing enough to film the car chase in Iceland, he said " We didn't let some mealy-mouth, Welsh minister stop us filming on the Thames (TWINE) and we're not gonna let the fact that the ice is not thick enough stop us filming on this!" LOL..So no worries, I'm sure the Bond team will find a suitable substitute location..

[stromberg]

Could be that this was intended to be the SPECTRE boardroom. Somewhat understandable that they don't want their parliament to be recognized as such.
 
I have a suggestion what to use instead, but I'm sure they're not going to get it:
 

 
This is as close as it gets to SPECTRE: it's the FIFA boardroom.

 

Looks familiar? Well...

 

[The Dove]

Love it! Now all we need is the late, great, Peter Sellers in a wheelchair! I wonder if those chairs are electrified like in Thunderball?