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[1q2w3e4r]

Those are early versions.

The plot this time is not "personal".

At the same time it is not a "regular" mission.

Something bigger than Bond.

No Austin Powers anymore.

Won't say more.

Stay calm. They know what they're doing.

I'd say it's pretty personal, you don't agree?

 

I think we're likely to find Oberhauser is Blofeld at this point unless they decide on a change during production.  I don't think this would be an issue and it would place Oberhauser as a "Largo" type character within the SPECTRE universe.  The issue would be his placement and actions throughout the film prior would possibly make that tricky?

[Glockenspiel]

It was previously reported and widely expected that Waltz would be playing the historic head of SPECTRE, Ernst Stavro Blofeld.
But Waltz asserted in this recent interview his character was Oberhauser and that was all. "The character is called Franz Oberhauser." Adding: "That’s a fact. I can guarantee."
But what about a Blofeld reboot? Like Darth Vador in Star Wars 3? Just an idea...
At the end of SPECTRE, after an accident or a brutal fight, Oberhauser appears bald and with a scar... just before the end-titles...
What do you think?

[JCRendle]

At the end of SPECTRE, after an accident or a brutal fight, Oberhauser appears bald and with a scar... just before the end-titles...
What do you think?

 

Blofeld doesn't need to be bald and with a scar, this was just one interpretation. In Diamonds are forever, Charles Grey played Blofeld with a full head of hair. Blofeld also had hair (and a beard) in the unofficial Never Say Never Again, played by Max von Sydow,

 

 

And before the bald and scarred Donald Pleasence interpritation, Jan Werich was hired for the role in You Only Live Twice - he filmed for five days, and his look was very different...

 

[1q2w3e4r]

It was previously reported and widely expected that Waltz would be playing the historic head of SPECTRE, Ernst Stavro Blofeld.
But Waltz asserted in this recent interview his character was Oberhauser and that was all. "The character is called Franz Oberhauser." Adding: "That’s a fact. I can guarantee."
But what about a Blofeld reboot? Like Darth Vador in Star Wars 3? Just an idea...
At the end of SPECTRE, after an accident or a brutal fight, Oberhauser appears bald and with a scar... just before the end-titles...
What do you think?

I think he could be both Oberhauser and Blofeld. 

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

Oberhauser is blofeld in a general sense but he isn't Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

[x007AceOfSpades]

Oberhauser is blofeld in a general sense but he isn't Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

Pretty much what I think.

[Guy Haines]

I've always thought that if Blofeld was going to be reintroduced in the reboot era then - as with Q and Miss Moneypenny - he wouldn't necessarily appear complete with bald head, Mao/Nehru suit or even white cat. For one thing, Mike Myers has done that caricature to death with Dr Evil. It's possible one could see younger audiences, not necessarily acquainted with the Blofeld of the 1960s laughing out loud if Christoph Waltz or whoever suddenly appeared on screen looking like that - hanging on the character's every word waiting for the moment when he demands "one MILLION dollars!"

 

The octopus symbol gives the game away that the film Spectre isn't just titled that way because somebody liked the word. For fans like us, we know it features a new interpretation of an old adversary, for new fans they'll soon realise what SPECTRE is. The mystery remains - who is the head of SPECTRE? Keeping us guessing about whether Oberhauser = Blofeld or Oberhauser <> Blofeld hints that, possibly, SPECTRE rebooted might not resemble in every way the same organisation we fans recall from the 1960s, beyond the name and the octopus. I'll be, well, disappointed if ESB doesn't show up in Spectre, or a follow up, but not entirely surprised now.

 

On the other hand - and I still think more likely - the name "Franz Oberhauser" may well be being used in the same way that "John Harrison" was in the last Star Trek film, and in the end a familiar villain will be revealed from behind the Oberhauser mask.

[AMC Hornet]

Or Monica Bellucci plays a rebooted Octopussy, now head of SPECTRE, hence the octopus motif in the teaser poster...

[1q2w3e4r]

Obserhauser= Blofeld and is the head of SPECTRE, it's his back story that's been re-imagined/tweaked from that of Fleming's novels.

[Guy Haines]

Both intriguing ideas above. I suspect the one from 1q2w3e4r is nearer the truth. The trick about the Craig era films has been to remake the series without remaking individual films, save for the obvious example of CR - and that was making an Eon Bond film out of the story, whereas the previous film from 1967 had been an overblown spoof. I can understand why the producers have been reluctant to remake previous Bond movies - there would be the inevitable comparisons involved, especially with the so called classic films from the earliest days.

 

So, in remaking the series in this way changes can be made to all kinds of things. Q, Moneypenny, the new M - and new items added - Kincade and Bond's backstory at Skyfall for example. When the rights to Blofeld and SPECTRE finally became available, we might have expected a return, or rather re-invention of both in this new version of Bond. And therefore we shouldn't be surprised if there are changes above and beyond a new actor in the role.

[glidrose]

At the end of SPECTRE, after an accident or a brutal fight, Oberhauser appears bald and with a scar... just before the end-titles...
What do you think?

Or he could be so facially and vocally disfigured that recasting the part in the next film becomes that much easier if Waltz chooses not to return. 


 

Oberhauser is blofeld in a general sense but he isn't Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

Pretty much what I think.

Ditto.
 
 

On the other hand - and I still think more likely - the name "Franz Oberhauser" may well be being used in the same way that "John Harrison" was in the last Star Trek film, and in the end a familiar villain will be revealed from behind the Oberhauser mask.

Except why use a fairly well-known Fleming-canon name like Oberhauser?

[1q2w3e4r]

That's the twist on it.

[Blofeld's Cat]

For what its worth an anagram of Oberhauser is "hero abuser".

 

Make of what you want.

 

 

 

 

 

 

*tongue in cheek*

 

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

I'd be willing to bet one (1) viewing of ´67 Casino Royale that the name Ernst Stavro Blofeld won't be mentioned in the film.

[1q2w3e4r]

I wouldn't go banco on that.

[Guy Haines]

Why use the name Oberhauser? On 2nd October this year, on the thread concerning Austrian locations for what was then Bond 24, when none of us knew who would be cast beyond Daniel Craig and the "MI6 backroom staff" actors, I speculated on whether a character named Oberhauser would appear - simply because of the Austrian backdrop and the short story Octopussy, with its Austrian setting, at least in flashback.

 

Well, lo and behold. And I think the name is being used to provide a twist, as commented above, and a link, however tenuous between this film and original Fleming source material. That's why, I think, the character being played by Christoph Waltz carries that name, a character we assume is the main villain. And in interviews he's really making audiences and readers think, possibly re-think their assumptions about this movie and his character. If this character had been given a name like, say "John Harrison" we might immediately assume its a cover for someone else. Some of us here have already made that assumption, me included. But we may well be proved wrong.

 

As for the new film ending with Oberhauser facially disfigured - I wonder. It would making re-casting for Bond 25 easier, and it might provide a link - as these reboot films sometimes rather oddly do with the original films from 1962-2002, if that disfigurement was down one side of the face, including the eye. The only problem is I can think of another film character with a similar disfigurement who was holding forth on YouTube only a few days ago.

[JCRendle]

For what its worth an anagram of Oberhauser is "hero abuser".

 

Make of what you want.

 

 

 

 

 

 

*tongue in cheek*

 

Anagrams of badguy names? That's heading into Doctor Who territory

[AMC Hornet]

As for the new film ending with Oberhauser facially disfigured - I wonder. It would making re-casting for Bond 25 easier, and it might provide a link - as these reboot films sometimes rather oddly do with the original films from 1962-2002, if that disfigurement was down one side of the face, including the eye.

Leaked dialogue from the script for Bond 25:

 

Bond: I'm going to kill you!

Blofeld: You idiot! You made me, remember? You dropped me into that vat of chemicals. That wasn't easy to get over, and don't think that I didn't try.

Bond: I know you did... You killed my parents.

Blofeld: What? What? What are you talking about?

Bond: I made you, you made me first.

Blofeld: Hey, bat-brain, I mean, I was a kid when I killed your parents. I mean, I say "I made you" you gotta say "you made me." I mean, how childish can you get?

Bond: This all sounds so familiar...

[Call Billy Bob]

 

As for the new film ending with Oberhauser facially disfigured - I wonder. It would making re-casting for Bond 25 easier, and it might provide a link - as these reboot films sometimes rather oddly do with the original films from 1962-2002, if that disfigurement was down one side of the face, including the eye.

Leaked dialogue from the script for Bond 25:

 

Bond: I'm going to kill you!

Blofeld: You idiot! You made me, remember? You dropped me into that vat of chemicals. That wasn't easy to get over, and don't think that I didn't try.

Bond: I know you did... You killed my parents.

Blofeld: What? What? What are you talking about?

Bond: I made you, you made me first.

Blofeld: Hey, bat-brain, I mean, I was a kid when I killed your parents. I mean, I say "I made you" you gotta say "you made me." I mean, how childish can you get?

Bond: This all sounds so familiar...

 

You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?

[Guy Haines]

"I have given a name to my pain and it is Bond.......James Bond"

 

Incidentally, "hero abuser" - you don't think that's the cryptic clue mentioned in the all too brief synopsis released last month do you?

[Twingolot]

"I have given a name to my pain and it is Bond.......James Bond"

 

good one

[Logie]

For what its worth an anagram of Oberhauser is "hero abuser".

 

Make of what you want.

 

 

 

 

 

 

*tongue in cheek*

 

Also: "a bro he rues". Hmm.

[Vauxhall]

Also: "a bro he rues". Hmm.

Nicely done!

[Trevelyan 006]

There is a reason they are playing Oberhauser's details so close to the chest. They continue to keep tightly-lipped, advising Waltz to do the same.

 

It is that simple. We know who he is. What else could they possibly need to hide if otherwise?

[Guy Haines]

I agree with Trevelyan006. It all smacks of the "John Harrison" character in the last Star Trek film - a major villain re-introduced but hidden behind a cover name. I've considered all the alternatives but the problem I have is the film's title. SPECTRE appeared in the 1960s films, but it didn't much matter if "that man" was named, or appeared behind a screen, or up front as in YOLT. In fact they could have made the first two Bond films without SPECTRE at all if they had liked.

 

But this film is actually titled "Spectre", with all the connotations involved. It would seem to me a bit strange to have that as the film's title without Blofeld turning up somewhere in it. I noticed also that on 4th December last year, Sam Mendes introduced the cast members and the names of their characters, with one exception - Christoph Waltz, described only as the most important cast member in this film after Daniel Craig. Why not introduce him as "Franz Oberhauser", which he is now telling all and sundry he is playing? I think it's a tease to keep the media and the fans interested. Playing a character we all think we know the real name of, but the actor involved and the film makers going out of their way to say otherwise.

[glidrose]

Ernst Stavros Blofeld anagrams include

 

-Bond Flavors Trestles

-Bond Forestalls Res TV
-Bond Feral Stress Volt

-Bond Fears Vest Trolls

[glidrose]

Here's another theory. Remember that Miranda Frost was originally named Gala Brand in DAD? The powers that be felt that as she wasn't Fleming's Gala Brand, there was no point using the name. Perhaps that's why there will be no Blofeld - assuming that there is no Blofeld in the film. Without getting into spoilers, let alone Sony leaks, let's just say that this isn't Fleming's Blofeld. Not by a longshot.

[tdalton]

If it isn't Fleming's Blofeld then one has to wonder if it's also not Fleming's SPECTRE as well.  Which then, if one applies that same logic, why then would they bring back SPECTRE?

[JCRendle]

If it isn't Fleming's Blofeld then one has to wonder if it's also not Fleming's SPECTRE as well.  Which then, if one applies that same logic, why then would they bring back SPECTRE?

 

Maybe it's McClory's SPECTRE

[AMC Hornet]

I doubt he'll even get a mention.

 

I'm not going to over-think this. I want to be surprised.