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[Blofeld's Cat]

Assuming that Waltz is really playing Blofeld could it be that he is actually the son of Bond's boyhood sking instructor, Hannes Oberhauser!?

[Trevelyan 006]

I really hope the writers didn't go in for that close a connection...

[Jim]

My daddy loved you James more than he loved me, therefore I established a massive crime syndicate to avenge myself on you on the off-chance you ended up working for the British government and not, say, a binman.

Before you ask, I haven't seen the script.

[Blofeld's Cat]

Yeah, this sort of massive coincidence/connection is best left to spy shows on TV.

[Guy Haines]

Or - Christoph Waltz really is playing Blofeld and the "Oberhauser" name and connection is a sprat to catch a mackerel - the mackerel in question being Bond.

 

It isn't as if Blofeld hasn't used aliases before. The book Thunderball mentions one, "Serge Angstrom" - which might also have made a decent villainous cover name and may yet. Then he was the bogus aristocrat, the Count De Bleauville (or De Bleauchamp in the movie). Going back to the books we have Guntram Shatterhand in You Only Live Twice.  You could even count Blofeld's hi tech impersonation of Willard Whyte in DAF. Blofeld is a character who changes shape and names, so it wouldn't surprise me if Oberhauser=Blofeld.

 

One thing isn't resolved, if I'm right about the above - we're assuming the Waltz character is Oberhauser junior, son of Bond's father figure Hannes. Would son and heir have been around whilst Bond was mentored by dad? In which case, when Bond encounters Oberhauser the second in this film - might he have an inkling that this man isn't the genuine article?

 

(Having said that, it took Blofeld a little while to work out that Sir Hilary Bray, in the film OHMSS, was the same chap who demolished the volcano rocket base in YOLT! Maybe he was having a supervillain "senior moment"  )

[Simon]

(Having said that, it took Blofeld a little while to work out that Sir Hilary Bray, in the film OHMSS, was the same chap who demolished the volcano rocket base in YOLT! Maybe he was having a supervillain "senior moment"  )

 

 

My daddy loved you James more than he loved me, therefore I established a massive crime syndicate to avenge myself on you on the off-chance you ended up working for the British government and not, say, a binman.

Before you ask, I haven't seen the script.

 

Splendid, very amusing.

[Orion]

I don't see it happening. Bond films past have gone to great pains to write out the coincidences of Fleming's novels so I don't see them writing a huge one of their own. Having said that Thunderball hinges on a huge coincidence that they left in for the film.

[Vauxhall]

Assuming that Waltz is really playing Blofeld could it be that he is actually the son of Bond's boyhood sking instructor, Hannes Oberhauser!?

The initial newspaper report about this a couple of weeks ago suggested Waltz would be playing Franz Oberhauser, son of Hannes, who eventually reveals himself as Blofeld. Assuming that's all true, the question is whether he really is Franz, or simply pretending to be him.

I'd hope for the latter.

[sharpshooter]

Me too, ala his cover of Shatterhand in Fleming's You Only Live Twice.

[JCRendle]

I can understand them getting wind of the character's name, but how would they get the twist so far in advance, without seeing the script?

[Vauxhall]

I can understand them getting wind of the character's name, but how would they get the twist so far in advance, without seeing the script?

Someone involved with the film telling them.

Of course, this could all be misinformation planted by EON to cover up the real Blofeld twist. Craig admitted that they'd be trying to get fake titles out, so it's not beyond the realm of possibility.

[Blofeld's Cat]

 

Assuming that Waltz is really playing Blofeld could it be that he is actually the son of Bond's boyhood sking instructor, Hannes Oberhauser!?

The initial newspaper report about this a couple of weeks ago suggested Waltz would be playing Franz Oberhauser, son of Hannes, who eventually reveals himself as Blofeld. Assuming that's all true, the question is whether he really is Franz, or simply pretending to be him.

I'd hope for the latter.

 

Ah, I didn't know about that news report, but I prefer the latter suggestion as well. Misdirection is always a good fare in a spy flick. Oops, how demeaning of me.

[Lounge Lizard]

Blofeld / Faux Oberhauser (Fauxberhauser) could be a Dexter Smythe figure - stealing Oberhauser's identity as well as Nazi gold, and then founding SPECTRE.

[Harmsway]

Blofeld / Faux Oberhauser (Fauxberhauser) could be a Dexter Smythe figure - stealing Oberhauser's identity as well as Nazi gold, and then founding SPECTRE.

That's what I suspect is the case.

[Fairbanks]

Yeah, the Lake Toplitz connection is too suggestive. There's Nazi gold in them thar hills. I figure that Blofeld adopts Oberhauser's identity in order to obtain access to the gold, perhaps under the guise of a historical recovery operation or some other reputable motive, then he lures Bond to the scene in an Unnecessarily Complicated Scheme (UCS) to implicate the British government in the theft of the cheddar. 

[Tarl_Cabot]

I think Mr. White is gonna be Blofeld...he is afterall a secondary, background villian. They didn't hire Waltz to be a cameo actor-he's too damn good. I think Waltz is going to be a Largo type villian with mr White as the leader of a  reorganized, restructured Quantum aka Spectre. And blofeld wants some payback for the joyride in the trunk!

My daddy loved you James more than he loved me, therefore I established a massive crime syndicate to avenge myself on you on the off-chance you ended up working for the British government and not, say, a binman.

Before you ask, I haven't seen the script.

 

My daddy loved you James more than he loved me, therefore I established a massive crime syndicate to avenge myself on you on the off-chance you ended up working for the British government and not, say, a binman.

 

that actually sounds plausible!

[JCRendle]

Is there any confirmation that Waltz is playing a villainous character at all - or is it just speculation based on the news report and informed/plausible guesses? 

[Shrublands]

 

Assuming that Waltz is really playing Blofeld could it be that he is actually the son of Bond's boyhood sking instructor, Hannes Oberhauser!?

The initial newspaper report about this a couple of weeks ago suggested Waltz would be playing Franz Oberhauser, son of Hannes, who eventually reveals himself as Blofeld. Assuming that's all true, the question is whether he really is Franz, or simply pretending to be him.

I'd hope for the latter.

 

 

 

I think there is a 3rd possibility - Franz Oberhause is not really in the film, it's a cover name, Waltz is simply playing Blofeld.

[Royal Dalton]

I think Waltz is playing Blofeld and Blofeld is playing Franz Oberhauser.

 

One thing isn't resolved, if I'm right about the above - we're assuming the Waltz character is Oberhauser junior, son of Bond's father figure Hannes. Would son and heir have been around whilst Bond was mentored by dad? In which case, when Bond encounters Oberhauser the second in this film - might he have an inkling that this man isn't the genuine article?

 

I expect Blofeld would have had any relevant information sweated out of the real Franz Oberhauser before he was disposed of, and has possibly undergone plastic surgery to look like him.

[ChrissBond007]

I really hope the theory about the villain having connections to Bond's childhood isn't true. It sounds a bit like a story from a soap opera. We've had enough stories involving personal affairs or someone's past over the last Bond films that it seems to become a new cliché in the series. I doubt they will take it that far though. Oberhauser might be indeed a cover name or perhaps they've only taken the name itself from the novels.

[Guy Haines]

The idea of Blofeld having stolen Nazi gold and Oberhauser's identity I rather like. It ties in even more to Fleming source material - the short story Octopussy and as is pointed out Dexter Smythe's crime against Hannes Oberhauser.

 

Also, as is pointed out above, Blofeld could have had plastic surgery to alter his appearance and look like Oberhauser. (Heaven knows he was keeping the plastic surgeons busy in the good old days of the 1960s and early 1970s!)

 

So we might have Franz Oberhauser, supposedly the son of Bond's mentor - except he's a fake, the real father and son are dead, the fortune father had is stolen and Blofeld has acquired (another!) respectable façade whilst secretly controlling SPECTRE. But does he know of Bond's connection to Hannes, or is it just one of those co-incidences that every so often crop up in Bond stories - such as Bond just happening to be at the same health farm as SPECTRE's bought and paid for hijack pilot in the book and film Thunderball?

[SkyfallCraig]

Think about this: M assignes a mission to Bond in Messico. He goes there and chase a baddie, eventually capturing him. While he returns home, he is contacted by Franz, one of his childhood friends, that invites him in his chalet in Austria. While he is there he found a letter from Hannes that reveals that his parents were killed by a man called Hinx. He suddendly decide to find and kill the man, finding him in Marocco, where he lives. After some fights he escapes in Rome and Bond finds that he is only an henchman of an organization called SPECTRE, that has its base in Rome. He goes there, battles the baddies, kills Hinx but the head of SPECTRE escapes without Bond knowing who he is. He only knows he is called #1. In the last scene, new mi6 analyst, Danbeigh, comunicates with a person, calling him #1, and revealing him Bond movements. Oberhauser is the one receiving the message with a white cat on his leg

[FlemingBond]

good grief i hope this isn't the case. If it is i hope he isn't Blofeld.

[tdalton]

good grief i hope this isn't the case. If it is i hope he isn't Blofeld.

 

I hope that proposed scenario isn't the case either.  

[Trevelyan 006]

Yeah, the Lake Toplitz connection is too suggestive. There's Nazi gold in them thar hills. I figure that Blofeld adopts Oberhauser's identity in order to obtain access to the gold, perhaps under the guise of a historical recovery operation or some other reputable motive, then he lures Bond to the scene in an Unnecessarily Complicated Scheme (UCS) to implicate the British government in the theft of the cheddar. 

 

Pretty accurate and mildly believable, I'd say. Hire this man to write the scripts. 

[Bryce (003)]

My daddy loved you James more than he loved me, therefore I established a massive crime syndicate to avenge myself on you on the off-chance you ended up working for the British government and not, say, a binman.

Before you ask, I haven't seen the script.

Fine Jim...Just ruin it for everyone....Again!

[Shrublands]

I keep going back to this thought. If you were making a Bond film and you wanted a character to seem like a trustworthy, friend of James Bond's but the surprise is that they turn out to be the main villain, would you really cast Christoph Waltz? 

 

That cannot possibly be a plot twist of any significance contained in the film. 

 

In my opinion, if Waltz is Blofeld, he is seen to be him from the outset and Oberhauser was just a cover name.

 

or

 

Someone else is Blofeld, possibly even a actor we don't already know about. 

[Bryce (003)]

Good theory and I agree with it. I'm guessing the latter though. Either Blofeld is in your face from the get go or to be later revealed. I think Waltz casting is the bait. Just a hunch.

[willdj]

its all a little too easy i agree...hes obviously oberhauser in some respect, whether he's blofeld or not is up for grabs - i want to say monica bellucci is more important than theyre letting on... but maybe not

[Harmsway]

Good theory and I agree with it. I'm guessing the latter though. Either Blofeld is in your face from the get go or to be later revealed. I think Waltz casting is the bait. Just a hunch.

I could go with this speculation if EON hadn't already been revealed to be very leaky ship.

Our best reports so far suggest that Waltz is Oberhauser and is later revealed to be Blofeld. (Baz, who has been right about everything, said Waltz is playing a guy with a connection to Bond's past who is also his nemesis, and the Daily Mail, which was the first to report that Blofeld would be back and was also the first to report the Oberhauser name, identified Waltz as secretly being Blofeld). So I'll stick with that until we get solid info to the contrary.