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[Vauxhall]

Someone else is Blofeld, possibly even a actor we don't already know about.

I still think this is possible, although the (white Persian) cat will be out of the bag fairly quickly if the paparazzi grab a photo of, say, Idris Elba chasing Craig across an Alp.

[JCRendle]

Hannes Oberhauser is in Craig's Bond's timeline, if the Casino Royale website's dossier was considered canon (After Bond's Parent's death)...

"he spent time studying both climbing and skiing with local Austrian instructor Hannes Oberhauser during term breaks at Fettes."

Unfortunately the website is no longer active.

[Shrublands]

 

Good theory and I agree with it. I'm guessing the latter though. Either Blofeld is in your face from the get go or to be later revealed. I think Waltz casting is the bait. Just a hunch.

I could go with this speculation if EON hadn't already been revealed to be very leaky ship.

Our best reports so far suggest that Waltz is Oberhauser and is later revealed to be Blofeld. (Baz, who has been right about everything, said Waltz is playing a guy with a connection to Bond's past who is also his nemesis, and the Daily Mail, which was the first to report that Blofeld would be back and was also the first to report the Oberhauser name, identified Waltz as secretly being Blofeld). So I'll stick with that until we get solid info to the contrary.

 

 

Yes, Eon is a leaky ship but let's have a look at what the leak told the Mail.

 

Waltz’s involvement in the new film – which has the working title ‘Bond 24’ – will be confirmed at a press conference to be held in the first week of December. Eon productions, which owns the James Bond film franchise, will announce the star is playing an unknown character called Franz Oberhauser, son of the late Hans Oberhauser, a ski instructor who acted as a father figure to Bond. But senior sources believe the casting is a double bluff worthy of 007 himself and that Waltz is actually playing Blofeld. One Hollywood source, who asked not to be named, said: ‘Christoph Waltz is playing Blofeld in the next Bond film. The tone of the 007 films has changed significantly in recent years and the producers have changed the character to fit in with the new-look 007.’

 

 

You see, the leak is telling us that that's what Eon were going to say at the press announcement, not that Waltz is going to be called that in the film.

That could be an important difference.  

[Harmsway]

You see, the leak is telling us that that's what Eon were going to say at the press announcement, not that Waltz is going to be called that in the film.

That could be an important difference.  

 

Technically, there are *two* leaks in the article, one saying that EON would announce Waltz as Oberhauser, and a second source saying that this is a fake-out and he will be revealed to be Blofeld. Taken with Baz's report about the double-faced nature of Waltz's character, it clearly adds up to Waltz = Blofeld. And with the Oberhauser connection and hints that SPECTRE will link back to Bond's past from the plot summary, it's pretty easy to speculate that the Nazi gold from the Oberhauser story plays into SPECTRE's origin somehow. Which, again, points back to Waltz as Blofeld.

 

If EON does have another actor waiting in the wings as Blofeld, I'll be kinda disappointed. The surprise would be nice, but there's *nobody* who's better casting for the Blofeld role than Waltz. So if Waltz was just a Largo-ish figure with, say, Mark Strong as Blofeld? Meh.

[univex]

Actually, Harms, there is someone who would be a superb casting for the role of Blofeld: Jesper Christensen. He´s always been there. Always cryptic, mysterious. And he is a wonderful actor. Has shades of Sydow, but a bit creepier. I´d love it if Waltz was a number2, Largo kind of villain, and that Mr. White was actually Blofeld. Don´t forget we don´t really have a name, it´s just White, may very well be a cover. Oberhausen may be the ski instructor´s son, and still be a member of SPECTER, giving them control over the nazi gold or its location.

 

As a writer, that would be the way I´d do it. Make us sweat until the end, and then reveal White as Blofeld. Maybe Bautista is white´s bodyguard/henchman and not Oberhausen. Maybe Lucia is Oberhausen´s wife and the way Bond get´s close to him is through her in a Domino/Largo kind of play. All of this would be simple and classic Bond.

 

That would actually mean that Blofeld killed (directly or not) Le Chiffre, Vesper, Mathis, Fields, well...everybody, even if through Greene. And got the money (CR).

[Harmsway]

Actually, Harms, there is someone who would be a superb casting for the role of Blofeld: Jesper Christensen. He´s always been there. Always cryptic, mysterious. And he is a wonderful actor. Has shades of Sydow, but a bit creepier. I´d love it if Waltz was a number2, Largo kind of villain, and that Mr. White was actually Blofeld. Don´t forget we don´t really have a name, it´s just White, may very well be a cover. Oberhausen may be the ski instructor´s son, and still be a member of SPECTER, giving them control over the nazi gold or its location.

Eh, I could *maybe* go along with that (though I do think White has been a bit too "hands-on" in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace to fit the Blofeld mold), but I'd still prefer Waltz as the big guy.

[Matt_13]

Yeah I forgot who said it first, but you don't cast a guy like Waltz and waste him as either a red herring or a supporting character. There's no doubt he's the big guy.

[Shrublands]

I've never really got this fascination with Jesper Christensen's Mr White. For what I've seen, White was some sort of elite enforcer for Quantum and is of marginal interest. 

In SPECTRE I would imagine that he has just a small part to play. Fleming tells us in TB that the organisation SPECTRE has former members of SMERSH involved. I'd think that Mr White's presence will simply be a visual way of saying the same thing - Former members of other dangers gangs are now part of SPECTRE. 

 

Jesper Christensen didn't seem to be at Pinewood for rehearsals or he'd have been at the photo call, I really don't think he has much to do in the film. And if his participation was a secret, he wouldn't be chatting to the press about it.

[Lounge Lizard]

Jesper Christensen didn't seem to be at Pinewood for rehearsals or he'd have been at the photo call, I really don't think he has much to do in the film. And if his participation was a secret, he wouldn't be chatting to the press about it.

 

Perhaps he just features in some flashbacks.

 

Still, Christensen is a very good actor, who wasn't given a lot to do in CR and QoS. If he did turn out to be a SPECTRE bigwig, I wouldn't be disappointed. Blofeld? He could pull it off. Christensen could do Blofeld in the Fleming-Thunderball mould, while Waltz seems closer to Blofeld-as-Count-Bleuville in the Fleming-OHMSS mould.

[FlemingBond]

He might only be in one scene, you never know.

[univex]

Well, maybe Quantum was only one of the octopus tentacles. The "Q" could very well be a one legged octopus  

 

In any case, I´d love Waltz to be Blofeld.

[seawolfnyy]

I don't really see a scenario where White is Blofeld. I think what is more likely is that after the failure of Quantum, White is on the out and is being hunted by the newer SPECTRE. Mr. White is the unlikely source who sends the cryptic message to MI6. He probably has his own reasons for doing so, but I think Mr. White needs protection from SPECTRE and the only one he can turn to is Bond.

[sharpshooter]

I don't really see a scenario where White is Blofeld. I think what is more likely is that after the failure of Quantum, White is on the out and is being hunted by the newer SPECTRE. Mr. White is the unlikely source who sends the cryptic message to MI6. He probably has his own reasons for doing so, but I think Mr. White needs protection from SPECTRE and the only one he can turn to is Bond.

I dig this concept. White hunted down and killed Le Chiffre and Greene for their failures. The same thing could be happening to him.

[Vauxhall]

 

I don't really see a scenario where White is Blofeld. I think what is more likely is that after the failure of Quantum, White is on the out and is being hunted by the newer SPECTRE. Mr. White is the unlikely source who sends the cryptic message to MI6. He probably has his own reasons for doing so, but I think Mr. White needs protection from SPECTRE and the only one he can turn to is Bond.

I dig this concept. White hunted down and killed Le Chiffre and Greene for their failures. The same thing could be happening to him.

 

 

I think/hope so - or, as someone else intimated, EON are hunting down and dishing out their punishment for Christensen's comments after QUANTUM OF SOLACE...

[Shrublands]

Mr. White is the unlikely source who sends the cryptic message to MI6. 

 

I really like this idea. 

[Invincible1958]

Jesper Christensen didn't seem to be at Pinewood for rehearsals or he'd have been at the photo call, I really don't think he has much to do in the film. And if his participation was a secret, he wouldn't be chatting to the press about it.

 

Someone at the MI6-HQ-Message Board said, that he was indeed in Pinewood for the rehearsals last week. Someone actually said he was on the plan from Copenhagen to London that morning or the day before.

The reason why he wasn't introduced at the media event is the same reason why he wasn't introduced at the Press Conference für CR and QOS. Because his role is too small. He won't have much screen time. And there will be many other actors that will play parts in the movie, that haven't been at the Photo Call.

[Shrublands]

 

Jesper Christensen didn't seem to be at Pinewood for rehearsals or he'd have been at the photo call, I really don't think he has much to do in the film. And if his participation was a secret, he wouldn't be chatting to the press about it.

 

Someone at the MI6-HQ-Message Board said, that he was indeed in Pinewood for the rehearsals last week. Someone actually said he was on the plan from Copenhagen to London that morning or the day before.

The reason why he wasn't introduced at the media event is the same reason why he wasn't introduced at the Press Conference für CR and QOS. Because his role is too small. He won't have much screen time. And there will be many other actors that will play parts in the movie, that haven't been at the Photo Call.

 

 

Thanks for that clarification. 

 

More or less what I suspected, he's in it but not that important. 

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

I think Mr White will be very important character for the plot but he won't have much screentime. A few scenes probably providing essential information to Bond before departing this world in a violent, shocking fashion is my guess. 

[Guy Haines]

I'm beginning to think there might be something in the idea that Mr White is trying to save his own neck, and is the unlikely source of the "clue". I can see him being the one who tips Bond off that Oberhauser is not the man he seems. (Assuming, of course, that he isn't.)

[Marcin]

I can see him being the one who tips Bond off that Oberhauser is not the man he seems. (Assuming, of course, that he isn't.)

So do I.

[Guy Haines]

I've read recently - on the enstarz.com website - that this new movie may be something of a detective story, with the villain laying a trail of clues for Bond to follow. The synopsis released last week refers to a cryptic clue and Bond having to pull back "layers of deceit" before discovering the truth about SPECTRE.

 

Might this mean Bond - and the audience - encounters Oberhauser early on, but aren't privy to his real identity until there's been a bit of detective work - maybe not until the final quarter of the film?

[Trip_Aces]

I'm starting to think that perhaps Waltz will be playing Blofeld, under the guise of "Franz Oberhauser", and Mr. White - as other people have suggested - will go to Bond/Mi6 with this information as he is now the last remaining piece of the Quantum puzzle whom must be eliminated: SPECTRE was always merciless in regards to their agents' failures...

If you think about it, up to this point, Quantum/SPECTRE probably has accumulated knowledge of Bond's personal history (given the age of information). And, assuming Bond may have once had a significant closeness with Oberhauser in their early years, perhaps Blofeld plays on this notion to get close to Bond - for the purpose of elimination; after all, it was Bond who has already meddled twice (or thrice, if you were to believe Silva was also a rogue Quantum agent) in SPECTRE's affairs.

I think the "layers of deceit" aspect which is being talked about in the film's synopsis may refer to Blofeld's ruse: the villain poses as a close personal friend to Bond - a seemingly ill-fated trap - for the final purpose of eliminating the British agent once and for all.

It's the perfect plot...yet, only time will tell

[Harmsway]

Might this mean Bond - and the audience - encounters Oberhauser early on, but aren't privy to his real identity until there's been a bit of detective work - maybe not until the final quarter of the film?

I think so.

[seawolfnyy]

 

Might this mean Bond - and the audience - encounters Oberhauser early on, but aren't privy to his real identity until there's been a bit of detective work - maybe not until the final quarter of the film?

I think so.

 

I'm sure that's exactly what will happen.

[007jamesbond]

my guess Oberhausaer will used Bond to get whatever he want most. Bond could be force to steal something for him in exchange for a hostage.....but that is too Mission Impossible III stuff 

[Guy Haines]

My guess about all this, and it is a guess. 1) Quantum was SPECTRE all along, or has become SPECTRE or has been taken over by it. 2) First order of business - strike back at MI6 in general and 007 in particular - the "chance of a personal revenge" - to borrow a line from the film FRWL - for the failure of the Quantum schemes and the effective compromising of that organisation. 3) The villain (Blofeld?) uses knowledge about Bond's background to lay a trap for him, as has been mentioned above, focusing on his relationship with Oberhauser, senior and junior. 4) He has taken over Franz Oberhauser's identity for this purpose.

 

What the nature of that revenge might be and what other grand scheme SPECTRE has in mind is anyone's guess, and we'll find out next year I daresay.

[Marcin]

I've read recently - on the enstarz.com website - that this new movie may be something of a detective story, with the villain laying a trail of clues for Bond to follow. The synopsis released last week refers to a cryptic clue and Bond having to pull back "layers of deceit" before discovering the truth about SPECTRE.

 

Might this mean Bond - and the audience - encounters Oberhauser early on, but aren't privy to his real identity until there's been a bit of detective work - maybe not until the final quarter of the film?

Detective story approach would be quite interesting. Something fresh - If done properly. Do you still have a link to the article?

[Guy Haines]

 

I've read recently - on the enstarz.com website - that this new movie may be something of a detective story, with the villain laying a trail of clues for Bond to follow. The synopsis released last week refers to a cryptic clue and Bond having to pull back "layers of deceit" before discovering the truth about SPECTRE.

 

Might this mean Bond - and the audience - encounters Oberhauser early on, but aren't privy to his real identity until there's been a bit of detective work - maybe not until the final quarter of the film?

Detective story approach would be quite interesting. Something fresh - If done properly. Do you still have a link to the article?

 

This is the link.

 

http://www.enstarz.c...d-guy-video.htm

 

Might fit in with the cryptic clue stuff and "peeling back the layers of deceit to reveal the terrible truth about SPECTRE".

[Marcin]

Thank you, Guy Haines! 

The part "[...] there could be room to make the next film an almost mystery movie" sound fun.

[Guy Haines]

I've been thinking again about the identity of Oberhauser and I'd like to offer the following scenario. And I promise it has nothing to do with the general brouhaha on another thread involving leaks. I really have thought about this.

 

1) Franz Oberhauser really is Ernst Stavro Blofeld. Nothing to do with stolen identity. And the reason is;

 

2) Hannes Oberhauser's real surname is Blofeld.

 

Which may very well upset those of us who read the short story Octopussy. How can the father of the head of SPECTRE have been Bond's mentor? Well........

 

In this rebooted era, Blofeld senior and his (Greek?) wife defect from the Eastern Bloc, together with son Ernst. They settle in Austria with new identities after dad has spilled the beans about whatever Western intelligence was interested in. (Which would provide a very loose link to the original Thunderball novel, in which we are told that a SPECTRE board member with scientific leanings settled in the Alps after defecting from the East.)

 

"Hannes Oberhauser" adapts to his new life in Austria, is present when Andrew and Monique Bond die in a climbing accident, and takes their son James under his wing. There's no hint that Hannes is a wrong 'un - far from it. On the other hand, his son "Franz", having realised (As in the book Thunderball) that there's money to be made from "knowing the truth before the next man", sets out on his life of crime.

 

Decades pass, until "Franz" - who is now confident enough to revert to his birth name privately or within his immediate circle, the Quantum syndicate, whilst still using "Franz Oberhauser" to the outside world - realises that the British agent who has foiled the plans of Quantum and has effectively blown it as an organisation is, by a (very) strange co-incidence the same man who as a youngster was befriended by his dad. By now Quantum=SPECTRE, assuming it wasn't that all along. And so, using this knowledge, a trap is set for Bond, with Blofeld playing on his other identity to the hilt until Bond is well and truly snared. The trap might be the main aim or an additional refinement to a more grand, SPECTRE style plan. Whatever.

 

It might seem the daftest idea I've come up with since 2012 when I suggested that a new M might take over in the film SF and prove to be a baddie. But it gets around the "assumed identity" stuff I and others have posted about recently when it comes to Blofeld in this new film. Oberhauser = Blofeld, not because of identity theft or some other reason, but because his dad Hannes was also.