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[SecretAgentFan]

I do like Arnold´s score, as well, by the way. 

 

Yes, I´m a sap and think "Vesper´s theme" is gorgeous.

[Sir Godfrey]

It's not a shame to say Arnold is a great composer : Quantum of Solace's score is amazing and some tracks of Casino Royale are memorable.

His work an Brosnan movies is different but very exciting, especially in Tomorrow never dies or the pre-titles of The World is not enough. Arnold know exactly what is a Bond music, he understood the John Barry Style.

[occhile007]

Think of it this way gang, if Mendes does come back, we could finally get the Bond trilogy we have always wanted. QoS was to be "what could have been, but never was." The first official sequel to a Bond movie. And if 24 and 25 are both connected, what better way for Daniel Craig to hang up his tux with.

 

All I ask is this, that there are no plot twists and turns (like some movies from this 2013 season...cough cough). Mendes gave us, or at least me what I wanted, M, Q, Moneypenny, Tanner, the Aston Martin DB5, the walther ppk, gadgets that were not over the top, great action sequences, a top of the notch cast, a good script that was not over the top and straight to the point, and some lovely eye candy (Bond girls and locations). If that's not what a Bond movie is, then I guess I'm the worst Bond fan ever. To each is own. In my opinion, if Mendes really does consider Skyfall similar to the Dark Knight, then if he does return (pardon the pun), then we could get a James Bond/Dark Knight trilogy. Take it for what it's worth, but I am excited. Good day to you all.

[Walecs]

Do you mean Marc Forster ?

 

LOL, I was writing both Michael Apted and Marc Forster, I apparently joined them together.

 

By the way, David Arnold is the only composer Bond has had who perfectly knows when he should use Bond theme and when not (except in QOS soundtrack), and he knows the perfect arrangement to use. Something Monty Norman, John Barry, Thomas Newman, and every other composer never did successfully, despite the greatness of their scores.

Edited by Walecs, 03 June 2013 - 05:05 PM.

[SecretAgentFan]

 

Do you mean Marc Forster ?

 

LOL, I was writing both Michael Apted and Marc Forster, I apparently joined them together.

 

By the way, David Arnold is the only composer Bond has had who perfectly knows when he should use Bond theme and when not (except in QOS soundtrack), and he knows the perfect arrangement to use. Something Monty Norman, John Barry, Thomas Newman, and every other composer never did successfully, despite the greatness of their scores.

 

 

John Barry never used the Bond theme successfully?

 

Now, that you have to explain, Sir. 

[Walecs]

While I think Barry was a great composer, and his scores are very beautiful (I think I can't name a single bad track by John Barry), most of the time he used it badly.

In FRWL, Bond theme plays during Bond's flight. It's okay. But that's it? I mean, during the whole movie, the only time we hear Bond theme is during a flight? There are several exciting scenes during the movie, why just the flight? (I know it was used at the end of the movie during boat chase, but that was Monty Norman's track from Dr. No).
In Goldfinger, we only hear the part B C C# C of the theme (the intro/accompaniment), and 99% of the time is just because it's part of Goldfinger song. And sometimes it's even pointless. Why does it play when Felix chases Oddjob? It's Bond theme, it should play when we see Bond, not other characters.

And I could continue for TB, YOTL and DAF. OHMSS was perfect.
Moore era had the Bond theme played with the strings. I totally dislike it. Bond theme should be played with the guitar, during the action scenes. Leave the strings for love scenes, and that's perfect. Let's go get 'em, Octopussy chases, AVTAK car chase, they all had a "soft Bond theme".

[Sir Godfrey]

While I think Barry was a great composer, and his scores are very beautiful (I think I can't name a single bad track by John Barry), most of the time he used it badly.

In FRWL, Bond theme plays during Bond's flight. It's okay. But that's it? I mean, during the whole movie, the only time we hear Bond theme is during a flight? There are several exciting scenes during the movie, why just the flight? (I know it was used at the end of the movie during boat chase, but that was Monty Norman's track from Dr. No).
In Goldfinger, we only hear the part B C C# C of the theme (the intro/accompaniment), and 99% of the time is just because it's part of Goldfinger song. And sometimes it's even pointless. Why does it play when Felix chases Oddjob? It's Bond theme, it should play when we see Bond, not other characters.

And I could continue for TB, YOTL and DAF. OHMSS was perfect.
Moore era had the Bond theme played with the strings. I totally dislike it. Bond theme should be played with the guitar, during the action scenes. Leave the strings for love scenes, and that's perfect. Let's go get 'em, Octopussy chases, AVTAK car chase, they all had a "soft Bond theme".

 

Ohh very good.

[x007AceOfSpades]

 

You are right and wrong. Yes, Newman´s score also used familiar styles. But the tracks Ace alluded to you chose to ignore.

 

Likewise that stands for Ace's assessment of Arnold's music. For the record, watching SF for the first time and listening to the OST afterwards, almost every track I felt like I'd heard somewhere before in the past decade. Especially the action cues.

 

Musical taste is subjective; I'm just being the kettle to your pot, Ace

 

 

Better than any of Arnold's action cues.

 

Another one, that whilst it isn't so much of action-y, it's still intense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l58lm8phdnk

 

Then there's this...

 

Better than what Arnold did for the assault on the Per La De Las Dunas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLmtbx5HR50

 

While not sounding directly like Barry, it reminds me of something he would have written for something out of the Connery or Dalton era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L7LMu2EoI8

 

Arnold's score for Tomorrow Never Dies is pretty good, but not great and from then on it only drastically decreases and becomes generic and simple. Casino Royale showed some new features, but ultimately still sounded like something out of the mindless action style of the Brosnan era. Quantum Of Solace was an improvement, but still wasn't great, as "Inside Man" and "Night At The Opera" are probably the strongest tracks in the film, for me at least.

 

Newman on the other hand has never really done a film like Skyfall, but he did such an amazing job on it. In a time where all action/adventure films sound the same, Skyfall really stood out the most for me.

[S K Y F A L L]

If David Arnold was any good he would have done a modern version of the 007 theme. lol 

[x007AceOfSpades]

If David Arnold was any good he would think outside the box.

[Dustin]

 

Newman on the other hand has never really done a film like Skyfall, but he did such an amazing job on it. In a time where all action/adventure films sound the same, Skyfall really stood out the most for me.

 

 

SKYFALL's music was the first time in years - many years at that - that I felt urged to buy the soundtrack.  

Edited by Dustin, 03 June 2013 - 06:58 PM.

[S K Y F A L L]

Its truly the end of an era Judi Dench, Neal Purvis, Robert Wade and probably David Arnold. But who knows down the line?

 

And if Mendes does return it seems like everyone else will fall like domino's Thomas Newman and Roger Deakins. 

[x007AceOfSpades]

Its truly the end of an era Judi Dench, Neal Purvis, Robert Wade and probably David Arnold. But who knows down the line?

 

And if Mendes does return it seems like everyone else will fall like domino's Thomas Newman and Roger Deakins. 

 

I'd love for the same crew to return, especially Deakins and Newman. As for an era? It never really was. Purvis, Wade, and Arnold we're just being jockeyed around for a wee bit too long.

 

 

 

Newman on the other hand has never really done a film like Skyfall, but he did such an amazing job on it. In a time where all action/adventure films sound the same, Skyfall really stood out the most for me.

 

 

SKYFALL's music was the first time in years - many years at that - that I felt urged to buy the soundtrack.  

 

 

Same here!

[Sir Godfrey]

That's why I want Newman to compose the next 007 Movie. I find that Skyfall Score is the best but Arnold could compose 5 Bond films and that's much more difficult.

I want to confirm that Newman is an excellent 007 composer.

[x007AceOfSpades]

That's why I want Newman to compose the next 007 Movie. I find that Skyfall Score is the best but Arnold could compose 5 Bond films and that's much more difficult.

I want to confirm that Newman is an excellent 007 composer.

 

While I enjoyed Kamen's score for LTK, Newman's was just on another level, and I truly feel he is the true successor to John Barry in terms of Bond scores. It always seemed it was supposed to be Arnold with that title, but it never happened and I don't see it happening either. He's truly a wonderful composer outside of 007 as well, a brilliant one too and I was pleased to hear come on board, and if Mendes is back for Bond 24, I think it's safe to say, so will Thomas Newman

[S K Y F A L L]

 

Its truly the end of an era Judi Dench, Neal Purvis, Robert Wade and probably David Arnold. But who knows down the line?

 

And if Mendes does return it seems like everyone else will fall like domino's Thomas Newman and Roger Deakins. 

 

I'd love for the same crew to return, especially Deakins and Newman. As for an era? It never really was. Purvis, Wade, and Arnold we're just being jockeyed around for a wee bit too long.

 

 

 Well for me it sort of was because of Judi Dench my first Bond film was GE and first Bond at the cimema was TND. As a kid those films got me into the franchise, so I suppose it different for everybody. They did stay too long too. 

[x007AceOfSpades]

I understand where you're coming from as GE was my first Bond film, although I wouldn't see one in the theater until DAD (unfortunately now), but to me, it's like they relied to heavily on Purvis and Wade and Arnold rather than trying to think outside the box and the result is a tenure that was less than short of great, as it was muddled by basically Bond turning into an action film rather than an espionage/action/adventure (if this makes sense).

 

I loved Skyfall, and I'm happy to see where the next one goes next, and with Purvis and Wade gone and Logan in the screenwriting chair and Mendes possibly back, I think a worthy follow up film will be achieved, if they take their time and don't rush it.

[Odd Jobbies]

Since Mendes has shown a penchant for bringing back canon characters and the copyright issues are apparently resolved i predict the return of Blofeld  and SPECTRE  for 24/25.

[The Shark]

Since Mendes has shown a penchant for bringing back canon characters and the copyright issues are apparently resolved i predict the return of Blofeld  and SPECTRE  for 24/25.

 

Same here. Still hoping for someone like Ciarán Hinds.

[Odd Jobbies]

 

Since Mendes has shown a penchant for bringing back canon characters and the copyright issues are apparently resolved i predict the return of Blofeld  and SPECTRE  for 24/25.

 

Same here. Still hoping for someone like Ciarán Hinds.

 

A fine actor.

 

But i recall Mendes oft time collaborator Kevin Spacey being asked about Skyfall (or perhaps Mendes was asked about Spacey) and the response was that Spacey's schedule had him on stage in London, so he couldn't appear in Skyfall (thank heavens, as Bardem was peerless).

 

Maybe this me round Spacey's schedule isn't so rammed and i think he's a pretty obvious fit for Blofeld (maybe too obvious), but Mendes will surely still have his colleague high on his list. Perhaps Spacey's small Dr Evil gig on Austin Powers will veto this, but i still wouldn't be surprised if it happens anyway.

[S K Y F A L L]

It didn't stop then from getting Madonna after she did the 1999 theme song Beautiful Stranger for The Spy Who Shagged Me. I think Kevin Spacey is done anyway how about Tom Hanks?

[Tolkienerd]

I met Sam on Saturday and he confirmed that he was back for Bond 24 and 25 (just as soon as he's finished with his two theatre projects - the first of which is over at the end of this month).  John Logan was spotted in town (London) too.

 

Edited by Tolkienerd, 04 June 2013 - 01:02 AM.

[tdalton]

Since Mendes has shown a penchant for bringing back canon characters and the copyright issues are apparently resolved i predict the return of Blofeld  and SPECTRE  for 24/25.

 

I could easily see this happening as well, although I hope that it doesn't.  The only way that I think I'd be on board with the return of Blofeld would be if the aforementioned Ciaran Hinds were to play him, as I think he'd do such a terrific job at it that the pros would outweigh the cons in terms of revisiting the character.  Short of that, I'd much prefer that they continue on and develop new villains for Bond to deal with.

[coco1997]

I met Sam on Saturday and he confirmed that he was back for Bond 24 and 25 (just as soon as he's finished with his two theatre projects - the first of which is over at the end of this month).  John Logan was spotted in town (London) too.

Interesting...

[Eric Stromberg]

I met Sam on Saturday and he confirmed that he was back for Bond 24 and 25 (just as soon as he's finished with his two theatre projects - the first of which is over at the end of this month).  John Logan was spotted in town (London) too.

 

Interesting, indeed.  Can you provide more details about the meeting?

[S K Y F A L L]

 

I met Sam on Saturday and he confirmed that he was back for Bond 24 and 25 (just as soon as he's finished with his two theatre projects - the first of which is over at the end of this month).  John Logan was spotted in town (London) too.

 

Interesting, indeed.  Can you provide more details about the meeting?

 

 

Sorry, old man, section 26, paragraph 5. Need-to-know. Sure you understand. 

 

Enjoying the speculation myself. Nolan then Mendes and now Penelope Cruz. Can't wait to get something official.  

[007jamesbond]

I think we don't have to worry about his schedule as he is likely going to have some time to direct since he only have one threatre project as mention above. Do anyone know what is his other stage threatre project, one of them is charlie and the chocolate factory.....the other one is?? 

[Tolkienerd]

King Lear

[Berni99]

So, when had Mendes time for Bond? 2015? And the movie release is 2016?

[occhile007]

Back to the David Arnold topic, If you think about it, Arnold still had some slight involvment in Skyfall:

 

"The Name's Bond... James Bond"
Written by Monty Norman
Arranged by David Arnold

 

From imdb.com

 

You have to give Mr. Arnold some props, he still keeps true to the original Bond theme at the end of the movie. Maybe even more than John Barry.