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#511 x007AceOfSpades

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Posted 21 October 2014 - 03:40 PM

I agree with your assesment Ace. The PPK is a Bond icon, but in 2014, I do believe a change is in order. The P99 is strong and sleek, but it is too big and bulky for a modern spy to accurately conceal. The PPS would be a nice, modern successor to the PPK. Much in the same way, when Bond used the Walther P5 in Octopussy.

Thank you. While the P99 is good, it is indeed bulky, which is probably the only thing I don't like.

 

 

 

Unless Bond wants to upgrade to something chambered in .40 S&W and have a hard time concealing it, I would go with the PPS, small like the PPK and chambered like the P99. Hope this ridiculously, long and boring post helps  :P

 

 

Very much, thank you  ;). Isn't PPS avaliable in .40 S&W chambering? That would solve the stopping power issue you mentioned, right? 

Anyway, I haven't considered PPS before, but I must say I'm convinced by both you and seawolfnyy. 

So the big question is: since PPK is an icon and symbol of James Bond series, are we (Bond fans in general) willing to see him changing his weapon of choice permanently? But I guess that's the question for another topic.

 

Glad to be of service ;) It is availible in .40 S&W, but only hold either 5-7 rounds, compared to the 9MM version where the maximum is 8. So, If Bond wants the stopping power, it's the Walther PPS in .40 S&W that he should go with. He's at a disadvantage with only having 5-7 rounds per magazine, but he's gaining the stopping power and the velocity. I wouldn't mind seeing Bond switch pistols. I didn't have a problem when he switched to the P99 from Tomorrow Never Dies all the way to Casino Royale, but like Univex pointed out, it is just as much an Icon as Bond is.
 
Here's to give you an idea on the size betwen the PPK and PPS.


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Posted 21 October 2014 - 06:28 PM

The PK380 would do nicely....would a modern Sherlock still be packing a Webley or would he have moved on?  While the PPK is iconic and in the books...its also time to move on let Skyfall be the last of DB5 and the PPK its a modern world and Bond needs to move with the times.  When the PPK was written about it was rather brand new so those cutting edge now its ummm "iconic" and its not an easy weapon to take apart and clean in the field.  The PK380 is only 3.6" barrel vs 3.3" of the PPK same 380 round and its conceal carry if you want a weapon that hails to the berretta he carried befoare the PPK you could get Sig Sauer 238 Equinox in 380 they are very small.

 

 

As for the other stuff?          Gadgets?  I want down to earth ones not outlandish Fantasy ones like glass exploding coff links stuff like a diamond tipped hand saw in his belt or the weapon hidden in the briefcase handle or nitrogen in a shaving cream can. 

          

 

                  I want DC to be skiing with none of the cheese that has gone before, cross country spy stuff instead being chased for 15 minute by the whole country I would like him to meet meet someone important, to an abandoned Cold War era bunker or tracking someone.  Quantum needs to be back or at least mentioned in relation to the plot of 24.   Blofeld should get a new name and lose all the DR EVIL stuff...no cat, no one BILL YON dollars, no cat,  no Mao suits, no scar, no over slow dipping machinary, He could be played by Guy Pierce.   A master mind with tenticles far and wide if Spectre has to be in there dont use it as an acronym please.  Ransom? nyet.  In modern terms the old Spec. seems to aim so low for so much expense hardly what you would call sound business practices.  

 

I would make him like this:  Once an Idealistic Student Career Protestor who between protests discovered know who you are protesting with is worth more than the protest.  For a year he would pop up in protests all over noticed the same people were showing up and making them violent.  When he digs deeper or tries he is attacked and nearly killed from there he recovers changes his name and becomes a merc/freedom fighter/smuggler.  Then the fall of the Soviet Union happens the pillage of Russian under Yeltsin begins of which he changes his name again builds Quantum the core American (north and south) group.  

 

Here is a question does SPECTRE even fit the current era or modern day?  How could they be updated or should they just use Quantum from now on?    



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Posted 21 October 2014 - 08:46 PM

Thanks for clarification, x007AceOfSpades's!

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Posted 22 October 2014 - 12:49 AM

The PK380 is just a step above the PPK's .32, but It's big like the P99, and I can't see how it's concealable. PPS is the way to go. At least in my opinion.
 
As for the gadgets, I agree with stuff that's much more believable. Sure the gadgets in the prior films is iconic and cool, we're in a new era, and we can think outside of the box. Let Mission: Impossible go forward with the outlandish gadgets.
 
As for SPECTRE and Quantum. Honestly, After the letdown and all the issues that Quantum Of Solace had, I don't think continuing off from that story arc is the way to go. Not many people liked that film, and going back trying to cap it off might put bad tastes in other's mouths. When Bond threw Vesper's necklace in the snow and walked away, that for me, was Bond moving on and away from Quantum. Same thing goes for SPECTRE, I could do without updating them or having Blofeld. 

 

Thanks for clarification, x007AceOfSpades's!

Not a problem! ;)



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 12:27 PM

 

As for SPECTRE and Quantum. Honestly, After the letdown and all the issues that Quantum Of Solace had, I don't think continuing off from that story arc is the way to go. Not many people liked that film, and going back trying to cap it off might put bad tastes in other's mouths. When Bond threw Vesper's necklace in the snow and walked away, that for me, was Bond moving on and away from Quantum. Same thing goes for SPECTRE, I could do without updating them or having Blofeld. 

 

To be fair, Quantum was the least of the problems of the movie, which, above everything, suffered from an incomplete script; infact, one of the main problems of the movie is the fact that it ended without a complete resolution, and QoS would only benefit if Quantum were back and got a proper conclusion.

 

It'd be like not wanting the P99 because Bond used it in GoldenEye Reloaded and 007 Legends which were two awful videogames.



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 05:40 PM

 

 

As for SPECTRE and Quantum. Honestly, After the letdown and all the issues that Quantum Of Solace had, I don't think continuing off from that story arc is the way to go. Not many people liked that film, and going back trying to cap it off might put bad tastes in other's mouths. When Bond threw Vesper's necklace in the snow and walked away, that for me, was Bond moving on and away from Quantum. Same thing goes for SPECTRE, I could do without updating them or having Blofeld. 

 

To be fair, Quantum was the least of the problems of the movie, which, above everything, suffered from an incomplete script; infact, one of the main problems of the movie is the fact that it ended without a complete resolution, and QoS would only benefit if Quantum were back and got a proper conclusion.

 

It'd be like not wanting the P99 because Bond used it in GoldenEye Reloaded and 007 Legends which were two awful videogames.

 

Yes the script was incomplete, but It still had an awful plotline. The resolution is pretty clear. Quantum killed Greene, Bond confronted Yusef and Bond moved on from Vesper's death and the whole Quantum Organization/Conspiracy thing. There's no real need to go back to that story arc. They had a chance, to try and make it interesting, and failed. Even with incomplete script(s) and extensive rewrites, it didn't work, because the overall plot, wasn't interesting in the slightest.



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Posted 22 October 2014 - 09:44 PM

 

 

 

As for SPECTRE and Quantum. Honestly, After the letdown and all the issues that Quantum Of Solace had, I don't think continuing off from that story arc is the way to go. Not many people liked that film, and going back trying to cap it off might put bad tastes in other's mouths. When Bond threw Vesper's necklace in the snow and walked away, that for me, was Bond moving on and away from Quantum. Same thing goes for SPECTRE, I could do without updating them or having Blofeld. 

 

To be fair, Quantum was the least of the problems of the movie, which, above everything, suffered from an incomplete script; infact, one of the main problems of the movie is the fact that it ended without a complete resolution, and QoS would only benefit if Quantum were back and got a proper conclusion.

 

It'd be like not wanting the P99 because Bond used it in GoldenEye Reloaded and 007 Legends which were two awful videogames.

 

Yes the script was incomplete, but It still had an awful plotline. The resolution is pretty clear. Quantum killed Greene, Bond confronted Yusef and Bond moved on from Vesper's death and the whole Quantum Organization/Conspiracy thing. There's no real need to go back to that story arc. They had a chance, to try and make it interesting, and failed. Even with incomplete script(s) and extensive rewrites, it didn't work, because the overall plot, wasn't interesting in the slightest.

 

 

I would have to disagree. I've grown to appreciate QoS for what it is, and it's like they said a novella of a Bond film in reflection of the short story on which it was based and now that it's bookended by both Royale and Skyfall I don't feel as disappointed. I guess after Royale I was expecting another epic and the way the film kinda ends abruptly and with some loose ends, there's no debating that there are some threads deliberately left open, I left the theater feeling a little short changed, wanting more or a follow up ASAP. Basically QoS is an extended epilogue to Royale that fleshes out the threat. If Royale tackles the subject of the post-9/11 world of espionage and the world of international financing, then QoS further develops that into making Quantum essentially the dark side of globalism. I think the problem is the film isn't as clear about what Quantum's real objective or purpose is, which reflects to a certain extent how real world villains get away with what they do, because it doesn't seem or sound interesting enough and that's how shadowy cabal could hypothetically take over the world, or at least build their own covert empire/fiefdom which is what is implied and shown in both Royale and QoS, White building relationships with the LRA to get a foothold in Uganda, perhaps Le Chiffre's Skyfleet plot was part of larger insider trading scheme that Quantum was also in on, and there's the notion that they have the support from certain powerful factions in the major intelligence agencys and private security to overthrow governments in places like Haiti and Bolvia. Not to mention they had penetrated both MI6 and the treasury department and let's not forget Haines who was a close adviser to the PM. I'd say that cutting the original intended ending for QoS was actually the more realistic take. Haines would be untouchable with his connections and if they tried to bring up the whole bit about the Quantum meeting in Austria they could use the whole incident with the bodyguard as leverage against Bond/M/MI6. And of course there's still White who's probably gone deep under till the storm blows over. Realistically the ending of QoS or at least my perspective of it was that it was a draw of sorts. And this is the Bond series so there's plenty of chances for them to tie up some of these lingering issues and there are issues that could be addressed in another film.

 

Which brings of to Skyfall and the events of that film. I'm not the only one and others have thought the same and there are hints if you really look but there's nothing to say that Silva wasn't a witting or even unwitting proxy for Quantum/Haines to get some sort of covert revenge/retribution against M and her agency. I think it's pretty telling in QoS when M tells Tanner to be careful about who he trusts with the intel on the Opera meeting. M knows who Haines is and in a round about way you could even say there was a hint that she might have been scared. Then when Bond shows the photos to Mathis he is told to destroy them and that he obviously hasn't being "keeping secrets as long as I". As Bond also says you're judged by the strength of your enemies. I think because Greene's plot fell apart pretty quickly most are underestimating Quantum. The key to pulling off these covert actions and machinations is plausible deniability, that's key to a lot of real world ops. I think it's no coincidence that after crossing swords with Quantum, an organization with people everywhere that nobody knows exists, MI6 finds it self under attack from almost all sides, through Silva and the bureaucracy/Government and at the end Bond's biggest ally in his quest/crusade against Quantum is dead.

 

Either way I feel just because QoS may not have been exactly what some wanted or expected, doesn't mean there aren't those out there on the other side of the coin who either liked QoS from the beginning or have grown to appreciate the story over time and want to see some of those characters and threads revisited. Especially now since we have Skyfall, which I would be the first to say that while I enjoyed it I also feel perhaps it was a little overhyped because of the 50 anniversary, and while a good movie I would say it's almost on equal footing with QoS in terms of my enjoyment of the story but for perspective Casino Royale is still my favorite of Craig's run so far.   



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Posted 23 October 2014 - 04:31 AM

I agree with every word you've just said, Agent Spriggan Ominae. 



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Posted 24 October 2014 - 02:04 PM

I'd like a pre-titles sequence with Bond finishing a mission somewhere that wouldn't be connected to main story of the movie. (a la Goldfinger)



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Posted 24 October 2014 - 04:28 PM

Edited:

 

- Bond Skiing

- Gadgets

- Car chase in the DBS

- Better dialog with Moneypenny

- A silenced PP9*

- NEW Locations. Canada and Poland would be cool

 

I'd like to add:

 

- Bond playing a new sport

- SMALL cameos

- an exotic baddie lair

- more resourceful set pieces

- an ending credits song



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Posted 26 October 2014 - 07:15 PM

- Bond skiing/snowboarding (being a snowboarder myself, I'm biased towards snowboarding over skiing)

- More realistic gadgets

- Boat chase

- Female main villain

- PPS in place of PPK

- Spain



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Posted 04 December 2014 - 01:59 PM

So it looks like we'll get some skiing courtesy of Oberhauser... and Blofeld must figure into the plot at some point.

 

Now that SPECTRE's return is confirmed (in one capacity or another), I'd really like them to acknowledge Quantum - hopefully as a failed precursor to SPECTRE. It's a thread that needs tying up for me.

 

 

Or even just a PTS with Mr White, that'd be nice!



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Posted 04 December 2014 - 02:34 PM

A gunfight in the ruins of the Forum in Rome (similar to the one in TSWLM).

 

An Aston Martin car chase where I can actually see what's going on.

 

A pre-credits sequence in which Bond has a fight aboard a plane as it's crashing, in freefall. Shot using sets built onboard the vomit comet as used in Apollo 13, and the rotating sets used on Inception. Basically, one-up Chris Nolan for all those Bond sequences he's pinched for his films.

 

A ski sequence in which Daniel Craig wears a 70s-style roll-neck jumper, because the mental image amuses me.

 

Some sort of resolution to the Quantum storyline.


Edited by elevendayempire, 04 December 2014 - 02:35 PM.


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Posted 04 December 2014 - 04:06 PM

i must say i had grown fond of grey on the Aston's



#525 Iceskater101

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Posted 04 December 2014 - 09:52 PM

Daniel Craig needs to ski!



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Posted 04 December 2014 - 11:45 PM

I put this in another thread, but I want Hinx to Batista Bomb Bond through a table!

 



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 01:14 AM

- Classic gunbarrel at the beginning

 

- Bond on skis

 

- More than one run-in with Hinx

 

- Mr White killed by Bond



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 01:22 AM

  • Gunbarrel at the beginning
  • Blazing row between Denbigh and M (Andrew Scott and Ralph Fiennes)
  • Mr White (Jesper Christensen) eliminated by Waltz's character, or on his orders
  • Reference to Hannes Oberhauser
  • The SPECTRE octopus ring being used prominently
  • Christoph Waltz surviving for BOND 25


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Posted 05 December 2014 - 03:38 AM

I put this in another thread, but I want Hinx to Batista Bomb Bond through a table!

 

I think I would lose my cool in the theater if that happened :)



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 03:43 AM

 

I put this in another thread, but I want Hinx to Batista Bomb Bond through a table!

 

I think I would lose my cool in the theater if that happened :)

 

As would I, Ace. As would I.



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 01:22 PM

From page one, some of my requests have come true.

 

Quantum resurfacing - yes, in the form of Mr White.

Bond in the snow - yes.

Gadgets - The DB10 will have something at the very least.

 

I'm also glad we're getting a formidable henchman in Hinx. 



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 01:54 PM

The white persian cat in the end.



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 07:33 PM

A briefing scene in M's office, done properly



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 08:05 PM

In the 1970s there was a rather radical idea for a refounding of SPECTRE. According to two books I've read about the Bond films - Steven Jay Rubin's "The James Bond Films" and John Brosnan's "James Bond In The Cinema" there was a scene planned in a draft of TSWLM in which Blofeld and the SPECTRE hierarchy are eliminated by a group of younger radical villains whilst in one of their board room meetings.

 

I wonder if that's what's in store for Quantum? The remnants wiped out by an even more ruthless group calling itself SPECTRE, with Mr White either eliminated himself or throwing in his lot with the winning team? And the leader of this new group remaining a mystery - or hidden in plain sight for Bond - until the second half of the film?

 

As for what I'd like to see in SPECTRE - a world threatening scheme worthy of the title organisation and worthy of 007's attention.



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 09:15 PM

SPECTRE was meant to be in TSWLM and so Stromberg is really Blofeld as that was what was planned. I always see that movie as Bond's revenge over Blofeld.



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 02:24 AM

For me, the #1 thing is a sinister plot worthy of SPECTRE. As much as I've enjoyed the grittier, more realistic approach of the last three films, I've really missed the big, Thunderball-style global extortion schemes and such, and want to see Craig's Bond faced with something much bigger & more serious than a personal vendetta or a South American mineral rights grab. I don't believe credibility or realism have to be sacrificed just because the villains are aiming a bit higher this time around. There are plenty of ways to plausibly threaten the entire free world with catastrophic destruction without building a diamond-encrusted, laser-firing satellite.

To this end, I also wouldn't mind seeing a climactic raid on the villain's base by UN troops, led by 007. A truly epic evil plot deserves a truly epic final battle.


Edited by SamNeillIsNotBond, 06 December 2014 - 02:26 AM.


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Posted 06 December 2014 - 02:29 AM

I couldn't ask for more at this point.



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 02:29 AM

For me, the #1 thing is a sinister plot worthy of SPECTRE. As much as I've enjoyed the grittier, more realistic approach of the last three films, I've really missed the big, Thunderball-style global extortion schemes and such, and want to see Craig's Bond faced with something much bigger & more serious than a personal vendetta or a South American mineral rights grab. I don't believe credibility or realism have to be sacrificed just because the villains are aiming a bit higher this time around. There are plenty of ways to plausibly threaten the entire free world with catastrophic destruction without building a diamond-encrusted, laser-firing satellite.

To this end, I also wouldn't mind seeing a climactic raid on the villain's base by UN troops, led by 007. A truly epic evil plot deserves a truly epic final battle.

The good thing is, I believe we may finally be getting that with SPECTRE.

 

Unrelated, it feels so much better seeing SPECTRE in the title of this thread than Bond 24. :D



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 02:53 AM

As for what I'd like to see in SPECTRE - a world threatening scheme worthy of the title organisation and worthy of 007's attention.

That would be great!



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 07:40 AM

He's a frequent collaborator with Mendes, but I wanted Thomas Newman to return. So I'm glad he is. The Skyfall soundtrack is hands down my favourite of the modern era. A successful mix of ambience and lushness. Komodo Dragon is the perfect example of what I mean. And I hope his version of the Bond theme returns - heard during the Grand Bazaar motorcycle chase.