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[FlemingBond]

knowing the Oscars it won't win any .they are a joke

[Mallory]

Been nominated for several BAFTA's. 

 

8 in total.

Edited by Mallory, 10 January 2013 - 03:13 PM.

[thecasinoroyale]

5 Academy Awards and 8 BAFTAS is a pretty good count for a James Bond film!

 

And I think Newman's score has been nominted as it doesn't just add noise and excitement to the film like some previous soundtracks have, but I feel the score is another character. It drives the plot forward, it carries scenes without distracting from it and plays on emotions such as hurt, loss, fear, isolation, passion, danger and more.

 

It's a brave score for Bond but works so well I feel it does deserve a nod, by such a talented chap as Thomas Newman, hopefully future scores will have this power and depth to them.

[Yellow Pinky]

 

Newman's being no different from anything David Arnold has done for the past 15 years.

That is patently false. The Academy responded to Thomas Newman's relatively restrained and more intelligent approach to scoring Bond, thanks both to having a fresh perspective on the series, a unique musical personality, and more experience in the industry (dating back to the mid 80s).

Newman's SKYFALL was also the highest selling Bond soundtrack since AVTAK. They can't all have been expecting Adele's song.

 

I completely agree with The Shark on this one.  There is a world of difference between Newman's score and any/all of Arnold's, not only in terms of the end result, but perhaps most notably in approach.  Newman is not attempting to recreate anyone else's musical identity as Arnold did/does with his Barry pastiche.  Newman's own signature sound clearly makes it into the score with occasional nods to Barry,  the canon's musical father.

[Chief of SIS]

Off topic but Affleck got robbed.

[Mallory]

I might actually watch the Oscars this year. I haven't watched them since they started the ten nominations and got more pretentious than ever. Especially when presenting the Best Actor/Actress award. 

[stromberg]

I am not surprised Newman got nominated. The soundtrack was pretty impressive and the most inspiring since The Living Daylights. I did not see the Cinematography nomination, anyone have a source?

http://oscar.go.com/nominees

[SecretAgentFan]

 

Ah, well... if they don´t nominate SKYFALL in the Best Picture category then the Oscars just don´t want to do it "properly" with 007 - only honorary awards or "special tributes" seem to be allowed. Or is it a snubbery against a British franchise being more enduring than any American series of films? Harry Potter did not get any love either. Alfred Hitchcock lost out again and again. Stanley Kubrick. 

 

Not nominating Kathryn Bigelow this year is pretty dumb either. Republican backlash? Has Clint Eastwood mobilized his age group? 

 

By the way: this maximum 10 nominations for Best Picture  rule (in order to include more popular films) really does not work at all... as if there were only 9 films award-worthy this year.

 

 

Sometimes the fanboy-ism of Bond fans makes it difficult to realize that perhaps Skyfall shouldn't be nominated for a best picture award. (not saying all the others are necessarily deserving either, but that's another issue). It was a good, fun Bond film. Maybe the best.

 

 

To clear this up: I did not say that SKYFALL should have been the 10th nominee in the Best Picture Category. I just think that with a Bond film having that kind of award buzz losing out in the major categories it seems to be a clear sign that the Academy does not want to give "that kind of entertainment" any nods.

 

And I think this whole 10 nominations-rule for Best Picture was ridiculous from the start - and it gets even more silly now that they don´t make use of the full 10 nominations.

 

It was much better to have five nominees like in the other categories. It was clear then that there would be omissions.  Now there are omissions as well, but it feels like a slap in the face of all those award-worthy films which would have deserved a last Best Picture nomination.

 

The idea to be able to include "more popular" films in the 10-nominees-list obviously has been thrown out.

Edited by SecretAgentFan, 10 January 2013 - 04:31 PM.

[Syndicate]

Well it official Skyfall DID NOT get the nominations for Best Actor, Best Supporting Actor, Best Director, Best Original Screenplay, Best Score and Best Picture. The only I heard it got is Best Song.

 

The movies that make it in for Best Picture are Zero Dark Dirty, Argo, Silver Linings Playbook, Lincoln, Amour, Life Of Pi, Beasts of the Southern Wild, Django Unchained and Les Misérables. The movies that made it it  for Best Pictire  also made for the other stuff like Music (Original Song), Writing (Adapted Screenplay) and Writing (Original Screenplay).

 

Here is the link to the complest of the nominations

 

http://www.oscars.or...5/nominees.html

 

The only things that being talked about is that Ben Affleck an and Kathryn Bigelow did not get nominated for Best Director.

[graric]

Well it official Skyfall DID NOT get the nominations for Best Actor, Best Supporting Actor, Best Director, Best Original Screenplay, Best Score and Best Picture. The only I heard it got is Best Song.

 

The movies that make it in for Best Picture are Zero Dark Dirty, Argo, Silver Linings Playbook, Lincoln, Amour, Life Of Pi, Beasts of the Southern Wild, Django Unchained and Les Misérables. The movies that made it it  for Best Pictire  also made for the other stuff like Music (Original Song), Writing (Adapted Screenplay) and Writing (Original Screenplay).

 

Here is the link to the complest of the nominations

 

http://www.oscars.or...5/nominees.html

 

The only things that being talked about is that Ben Affleck an and Kathryn Bigelow did not get nominated for Best Director.

It did get nominated for Best Score (something that was slightly surprising as it didn't seem to be in the race according to most Oscar Analysists) 

along with Cinematography and some technical sound awards, overall it got 5 nominations (much better than any of this years other big blockbusters: Hobbit got 3, Avengers 1 and Dark Knight Rises none.)

Best Picture was always more of a long shot, and even in the acting awards Javier Bardem and Judi Dench were considered potentials rather than sure things (so not a huge surprise that it didn't get nominated for these awards)

Overall its strongest two categories still appear to be Cinematography and Original Song (I'll be shocked if it doesn't win at least one of the categories)

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

Or is it a snubbery against a British franchise being more enduring than any American series of films? Harry Potter did not get any love either. Alfred Hitchcock lost out again and again. Stanley Kubrick. 

 

I agree. I have always thought it's a nationality issue, even having in mind that the producers are americans, James Bond it’s too much a british icon (hence "foreigner") to be really recognized for such a chauvinistic Academy.

[Mr_Wint]

I knew it was something special about Newman's Bond score! His lush/dynamic/creative action-music is still ringing in my ears. Now I know why.

 

Still, after 50 years, it was about time for someone to bring some decent music to these films… and if you want to enjoy another Bond score worthy of an Oscar nomination be sure to check out Hamlisch’s TSWLM.

[x007AceOfSpades]

Off topic but Affleck got robbed.

 

I agree.

[FlemingBond]

I knew it was something special about Newman's Bond score! His lush/dynamic/creative action-music is still ringing in my ears. Now I know why.

 

Still, after 50 years, it was about time for someone to bring some decent music to these films… and if you want to enjoy another Bond score worthy of an Oscar nomination be sure to check out Hamlisch’s TSWLM.

???

You don't think John Barry did a good job?!

[level007]

I'm happy that the film got 5 nominations.
But in a way I feel like I have been punch in the face that it got nominated while Barry and Arnold never got one.
The score is ok but it seems that it got nominated because skyfall had so much success in theatres and skyfall being a bond film they couldn't nominate it for best film (well, I'm not sure it would deserve it anyway) so they gave other less famous nominations.
I agree that the song is a winner but that Newman didn't try to include more in the score (as is the tradition with most of the bond score) is a shame. Specially when we know that the song was ready long before the score.... (I even read a interview of him where he said that at one point near the end of his work someone came to him to say "that we got a song and it would be nice to incorporate it in the score"... Well hello Mr Newman ! It's a bond score, usually it's largely connected to a song and that's why so many people love the bond music!).

Ben affleck may be robbed tonight but clearly less than Barry and Arnold all these years.

Still as a long bond fan, I'm happy for the bond team to be rewarded for they hard work

[K1Bond007]

With The Master out, I can't fathom Roger Deakins not winning cinematography, but the argument "oh it's just a Bond film" is a powerful one. Who knows.

[J J]

 

Or is it a snubbery against a British franchise being more enduring than any American series of films? Harry Potter did not get any love either. Alfred Hitchcock lost out again and again. Stanley Kubrick. 

 

I agree. I have always thought it's a nationality issue, even having in mind that the producers are americans, James Bond it’s too much a british icon (hence "foreigner") to be really recognized for such a chauvinistic Academy.

 

Really?? The last four years, three Best Oscar winners were European films: Slumdog Millionaire (UK), King's Speech (UK) and The Artist (France)... Perhaps it really is time an American film won the Oscars! :-)

[x007AceOfSpades]

 

 

Or is it a snubbery against a British franchise being more enduring than any American series of films? Harry Potter did not get any love either. Alfred Hitchcock lost out again and again. Stanley Kubrick. 

 

I agree. I have always thought it's a nationality issue, even having in mind that the producers are americans, James Bond it’s too much a british icon (hence "foreigner") to be really recognized for such a chauvinistic Academy.

 

Really?? The last four years, three Best Oscar winners were European films: Slumdog Millionaire (UK), King's Speech (UK) and The Artist (France)... Perhaps it really is time an American film won the Oscars! :-)

 

 

Really hoping 'Zero Dark Thirty' takes it this year. Also with the praise 'Looper' got, Surprised to not see it nominated for Make-up, Original Screenplay, and Visual Effects.

 

Deakins must win the award though, I mean, he's been nominated too many times and fell short of other films that are a tad less worthy of it.

[Vauxhall]

With The Master out, I can't fathom Roger Deakins not winning cinematography, but the argument "oh it's just a Bond film" is a powerful one. Who knows.

My heart says Roger Deakins will win, but my head says Claudio Miranda will sneak it for LIFE OF PI.

[Chief of SIS]

With The Master out, I can't fathom Roger Deakins not winning cinematography, but the argument "oh it's just a Bond film" is a powerful one. Who knows.

 

Two words. Claudio. Miranda.

 

Life of Pi has a decent shot of robbing Deakins of what he deserves in my opinion. 

 

 

It's this ...

 

 

versus this...

 

 

 

Edited by Chief of SIS, 10 January 2013 - 10:50 PM.

[Turn]

 

 

Newman's being no different from anything David Arnold has done for the past 15 years.

That is patently false. The Academy responded to Thomas Newman's relatively restrained and more intelligent approach to scoring Bond, thanks both to having a fresh perspective on the series, a unique musical personality, and more experience in the industry (dating back to the mid 80s).

Newman's SKYFALL was also the highest selling Bond soundtrack since AVTAK. They can't all have been expecting Adele's song.

 

I completely agree with The Shark on this one.  There is a world of difference between Newman's score and any/all of Arnold's, not only in terms of the end result, but perhaps most notably in approach.  Newman is not attempting to recreate anyone else's musical identity as Arnold did/does with his Barry pastiche.  Newman's own signature sound clearly makes it into the score with occasional nods to Barry,  the canon's musical father.

 

I have to strongly disagree on all counts. I've mentioned in other threads I've had the Skyfall soundtrack on in my car for a few weeks now and there is nothing different here from any other common film score I've heard in recent years, much less something that would make it Oscar-worthy. I see no identity here and that's why I feel it's as indistinguishable as most of Arnold's work. And I've never found him anywhere near Barry.  

 

Experience in the industry shouldn't play into a nomination. Good work is good work and this just doesn't stand out in any way in my view. And if it's hardly fresh. Eric Serra's approach was fresh, and his score is often slammed by fans as among the worst scores. I am actually beginning to warm to it as it seems the chances he was taking and how appropriate it was for GE. I can't say the same for SF.

 

Please give me examples of a chance or something Newman does to make SF's score stand out and maybe I can view it in a different light. I have an open mind and want to enjoy it. Until then, I stand by my opinion it's the least interesting score since NSNA.  

[x007AceOfSpades]

The use of green sceen is stong in that pic of Life Of Pi Chief haha.

 

Deakins is long overdue in my opinion. I haven't seen an action/adventure/spy film shot so brilliantly like Skyfall was.

[Chief of SIS]

The use of green sceen is stong in that pic of Life Of Pi Chief haha.

 

I don't know what the jurisdiction on how green screen factors into awards but I know cinematographers still have a ton of say and vision. Consider the winner the last three years: Hugo, Inception, and Avatar. All green screen dominated. 

[DominicGreene]

 

The use of green sceen is stong in that pic of Life Of Pi Chief haha.

 

I don't know what the jurisdiction on how green screen factors into awards but I know cinematographers still have a ton of say and vision. Consider the winner the last three years: Hugo, Inception, and Avatar. All green screen dominated. 

 

 

I find it quite sad that photographic skill would loose to computer compositing. 

[Guy Haines]

SF gaining 8 BAFTA nominations, including ones for Javier Bardem and Dame Judi Dench - not surprised. And gaining 5 Oscar nominations but none of the headline grabbers - save for Adele - again not surprised.

 

I guess Bond is still not "worthy enough". Still, I'd settle for "first billion dollar Bond".

[x007AceOfSpades]

 

 

The use of green sceen is stong in that pic of Life Of Pi Chief haha.

 

I don't know what the jurisdiction on how green screen factors into awards but I know cinematographers still have a ton of say and vision. Consider the winner the last three years: Hugo, Inception, and Avatar. All green screen dominated. 

 

 

I find it quite sad that photographic skill would loose to computer compositing. 

 

 

Valid point there Chief, I personally dislike massive heavy uses of green screen, especially in films like 'Life Of Pi' where the overall cinematography relies on how well the green screen visual effects look. I look at the Shanghai fight scene as a work of art using different cuts, angles, and lighting to tell the scene.

[lechero]

I have no intention of seeing Life of Pi, but judging from the trailer I caught a month or so ago, it looks horribly artificial in places.

[x007AceOfSpades]

I have no intention of seeing Life of Pi, but judging from the trailer I caught a month or so ago, it looks horribly artificial in places.

 

I had no intention on seeing it after hearing about a film adaption being made after I read the (terrible) book in school. Avatar looked better than Life Of Pi in terms of cinematography.

[S K Y F A L L]

This Connery rumor has really got my attention, now I'll be watching for sure. 

[x007AceOfSpades]

I wasn't going to watch until I heard they were honoring the franchise. From that point on, I knew I had to watch it just for Bond.