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[YOLT]

I think we had enough of terrorissm. We need a more "traditional" issue. We had space dominance, under water dominance, gold, petrol, diamonds, media, heroin, etc. I think we also had enough of this internet security, computers with Skyfall.

Health: 007 against a health mogul
Agriculture 007 against a agriculture mogul
European Union: 007 protects the Union
Economic Crises - stocks

and the ones might be hard to film:

Religion:
Race issue.

What else ?

[Dustin]

Neither religion nor race are going to be topics for a Bond film, don't see it on the horizon.

Genetic crop and pest manipulation could be an issue.

[tonyvenhuizen]

Given that Logan is apparently doing Bond 24 and 25, I think we may see another two-film arc. Now that the CR-QOS-SF "origin story" is finished, we can get back to bread-and-butter Bond. And to me, that means SPECTRE-Blofeld.

(They could also revive Quantum as an analogue of SPECTRE - sort of beside the point).

Given that, I would like to see a "world being held hostage" plot - perhaps reviving the bioweapon/blackmail plot from OHMSS?

I don't think they will want to recreate the Tracy/marriage story, but they could still use a story like OHMSS in Bond 24, centering on a bioterror/blackmail plot, then make Bond 25 into the pursuit and capture of Blofeld - like the novel YOLT that includes the Garden of Death. Assuming the Blofeld goes underground after Bond 24, he could assume the false identify of "Shatterhand" for Bond 25, lending that excellent title to that film.

They could even use some variation of the ending of the novel YOLT for Bond 25 - that is, Bond becoming amnesiac and staying in a fishing village. Might be a neat way for Daniel Craig's tenure as Bond to end (assuming two more is all he is doing), so Bond's return to duty can be the debut of a new actor.

All probably fanboyism and nothing that hasn't been said before, but there you go.


(Note: I just expanded on this same thought in another string: http://debrief.comma...40#entry1234853)

Edited by tonyvenhuizen, 11 November 2012 - 06:37 PM.

[Walecs]

No offense, but I find all of those ideas terrible for a James Bond film. The only problems of our society I'd like to see in a Bond movie are the lack of giustice and the impossibility to trust anyone, but it's what we actually do see.

[stamper]

No offense but if Ian Fleming ideas turns you off, find another board to spout about ingiustice.

[seawolfnyy]

I'd like to see an adaptation oh the Shatterhand story from YOLT complete with the Garden of Death. I would leave out the suicide sub-plot though, it doesn't make much sense especially in the 21st century. I think bio-terrorism would be something to focus on though. And yes, bring back Blofeld with Quantum revived as SPECTRE.

[mttvolcano]

Perhaps something in Africa?
Look at all that's going on there, or maybe South America as well as fictional threats to British abroad. The Euro crisis too is a possibility, maybe something similar to how Bane targeted the stock exchange in TDKR comes to mind...

Edited by mttvolcano, 11 November 2012 - 08:54 PM.

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

No offense but if Ian Fleming ideas turns you off, find another board to spout about ingiustice.

Agreed 100%!
Both Thunderball and OHMSS have pretty straight forward extortion plots and I see no reason how that scenario couldn't work anymore - as long it does not involve killer satellites or a hollowed volcano.

[Henry-Jones-Sr]

The Bond movies have done pretty well out of recycling the same the stories so there's no reason why they can't carry on. The trick is to do it so well that you don't notice.

Either way, just as long as it doesn't involve computers or the internet. Characters tapping away on their laptops really is not very interesting to look at.

[Walecs]

No offense but if Ian Fleming ideas turns you off, find another board to spout about ingiustice.

I don't remember of those ideas in a Fleming novels.

[elizabeth]

I kind of like health or agriculture...

[Guy Haines]

There's a lot of chatter on social networks such as Twitter about politicians being puppets of higher interests. Suppose a Bond film took this to its logical extreme - an attempt by Quantum, or SPECTRE, or whoever, to have their own bought and paid for person in 10 Downing Street, The Kremlin, the EEC, Beijing, or The White House? Or the oil states in the Persian Gulf.

And only Bond is aware of it. Not even M believes it until it is (Almost) too late? And he, 007, has to stop this person assuming office.

Shades, I admit, of one of my favourite films (and remake) "The Manchurian Candidate".

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

I don't remember of those ideas in a Fleming novels.

Huh? OHMSS was about biological warfare against Britains agriculture and YOLT had the Garden of Death. Have you missed 2 of the finest works of Maestro Fleming? If you were referring to OP some of those ideas seem weak - health mogul? Bond against Richard Simmons? Stock markets and their manipulation were used as a plot detail in Casino Royale.

Here's a good issue for the next 50 years of Bond films - good (Bond) versus evil (the villain). Works every time.

Edited by AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän, 13 November 2012 - 12:26 AM.

[YOLT]

I don't remember of those ideas in a Fleming novels.

Huh? OHMSS was about biological warfare against Britains agriculture and YOLT had the Garden of Death. Have you missed 2 of the finest works of Maestro Fleming? If you were referring to OP some of those ideas seem weak - health mogul? Bond against Richard Simmons? Stock markets and their manipulation were used as a plot detail in Casino Royale.

Here's a good issue for the next 50 years of Bond films - good (Bond) versus evil (the villain). Works every time.

I think you got me wrong. I am talking about
"Pharmaceutical industry". Worlds second biggest sector or industry after weapon trade. You cant even imagine the money going through it. And the tricks and politics etc. around it... I think it has a lot potential, when thinking the technological achievements and new diseases.

http://en.wikipedia....tical_companies

list of revenues of the Pharmaceutical industry. I find it more interesting than stocks or heroin or gold or water etc.

For agriculture. I thought like this agriculture mogul --- Garden of Death. Just a link.

[YOLT]

Neither religion nor race are going to be topics for a Bond film, don't see it on the horizon.

Genetic crop and pest manipulation could be an issue.

I think we had already had them:

Moonraker: Master race
LTK: Religion

[Iceskater101]

maybe sometime with bioterrorism? Something with the release of a virus or a disease? I mean that is more relevant.

[radio_wmn]

I think you got me wrong. I am talking about
"Pharmaceutical industry". Worlds second biggest sector or industry after weapon trade. You cant even imagine the money going through it. And the tricks and politics etc. around it... I think it has a lot potential, when thinking the technological achievements and new diseases.

http://en.wikipedia....tical_companies

list of revenues of the Pharmaceutical industry. I find it more interesting than stocks or heroin or gold or water etc.

For agriculture. I thought like this agriculture mogul --- Garden of Death. Just a link.

Being a health activist in one of my other hats, I can see a lot of the gamesmanship and trust issues re: the pharmaceutical industry, politics, and the provision of healthcare. There is similar gamesmanship regarding agriculture and Big Food. The issue would be whether or not one of these issues can be parlayed into something MI6 can be tasked to investigate and/or clear up. (I'm not saying it's impossible, only that it might end up a bit contrived.)

I'd like to see an adaptation oh the Shatterhand story from YOLT complete with the Garden of Death. I would leave out the suicide sub-plot though, it doesn't make much sense especially in the 21st century. I think bio-terrorism would be something to focus on though. And yes, bring back Blofeld with Quantum revived as SPECTRE.

Bioterrorism is certainly an issue. (Remember back when folk speculated that the AIDS virus was released on an "undesirable" population as a bioweapons test case? And when we were worried that the powdered sugar that fell off a jelly donut was really an attempt to poison a train car or post office with anthrax?)

While Quantum reflects (pun intended) the spectre of SPECTRE, the other "big enemy" of the Fleming novels was SMERSH. One may argue that the former SSRs no longer pose the same threat that they did in the 1950's and 60's; however, there are other state and non-state political organizations that arguably do (e.g. Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and other extreme militant Muslim organizations; extremist Christian anti-Muslim organizations), and it is not difficult to predict or presuppose the rise of others in developed countries facing unequaled economic hardships (e.g., Greece, Italy). In addition, the increasing amount of surveillance to which the average Brit or American submits himself (or is submitted to) suggests that "secret police" do exist, although perhaps better hidden than they were back in the heyday of the STASI and KGB.

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

Bond versus mad medicine maker. Why not?

[Judo chop]

I would like make a suggestion to the Bond producers. Can we do away with Bond narrowing escaping death by means of shooting a gas tank for, oh, say... the next 24 Bond films? I understand that we want Bond to leverage his surroundings to outsmart his enemy. But seriously... it seems like there's always a gas tank nearby right when he needs it.

CR: Bond clears out the embassy by shooting a tank. (He also sinks a building by shooting a raft... perliously close to being derivative, but I'll give it to them.)
QOS: Bond escapes burning hotel when a gas tank suddenly winks at him from behind a crumbling wall.
SF: Bond helps save both Ms by shooting extinguishers in the courtroom. Also blows up his home and kills a number of enemies when he stumbles upon... what??

A gas tank.

Yawn. Boooooring.

Let's be smarter about this next time, guys. Please? Surprise us, for heaven's sake.

[Dustin]

Well, at least in SKYFALL the presence of extinguishers and the gas bottles at the lodge comes more naturally than those in the embassy.

[Judo chop]

I'm afraid I'm all gassed out. "At least" doesn't cut it for me. I'm so tired of it, it disrupted the moment for me during the Skyfall seige. Next time I'll probably be actively looking for it, which is not good. Whether the gas tank escape is contrived or not, it's boring and beneath Bond. Find another way. An unexpected way. That's what the old films did.

[Dustin]

I was really surprised about the bottles at the lodge, didn't see that. In fact I thought the gunship would just strafe the building with tracers or some other explosive device and that would be the end of Bond's Alamo.

[Pussfeller]

Just brainstorming here: How about pirates? Some villainous shipping magnate could hire a bunch of Somali pirates and bring them to Europe to wreak havoc on his competition. It would provide an opportunity for some throwback Royal Navy action, Bond in a uniform, etc. And it would be fun to see a pirate attack on Dover or Rotterdam or something.

[Mavalant]

They have said that 24-25 will not be a two part story

[FOX MULDER]

Just brainstorming here: How about pirates? Some villainous shipping magnate could hire a bunch of Somali pirates and bring them to Europe to wreak havoc on his competition. It would provide an opportunity for some throwback Royal Navy action, Bond in a uniform, etc. And it would be fun to see a pirate attack on Dover or Rotterdam or something.

Love it. There could even be underwater and snorkel scenes - vintage Bond!

I'd like to take Bond to Mexico (you could so something with the drug cartels) or the USA (apart from a brief trip to Miami in CR, Bond hasn't been to the States since LTK)

[AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän]

Just brainstorming here: How about pirates? Some villainous shipping magnate could hire a bunch of Somali pirates and bring them to Europe to wreak havoc on his competition. It would provide an opportunity for some throwback Royal Navy action, Bond in a uniform, etc. And it would be fun to see a pirate attack on Dover or Rotterdam or something.

Great idea. It would be fun seeing Craig don scuba gear and perhaps dive through deadly sealife to plant a bomb onto villains ship a la LALD.

Edited by AgenttiNollaNollaSeitsemän, 15 November 2012 - 08:17 PM.

[Pussfeller]

I'd like to take Bond to Mexico (you could so something with the drug cartels) or the USA (apart from a brief trip to Miami in CR, Bond hasn't been to the States since LTK)

A proper Mexican adventure would be wonderful, and a cartel could be a formidable foe, as long as it doesn't too closely resemble Franz Sanchez and his operation (but hey, that was totally different). Perhaps Bond has to free some British agents from a drug lord before they give up sensitive information. I foresee beheadings in the desert, gun battles during the Day of the Dead, a knife-fight in a dingy pulqueria, a stampede of donkeys painted like zebras, and secret tunnels under the border. In the course of escaping from the cartel, Bond crosses the border into Arizona and finds himself arrested for lack of documents, requiring a phone call to a certain brother from Langley...

[Guy Haines]

It's somewhere on this site, can't remember which thread, but I suggested an OHMSS biological warfare threat plot, but with a difference. In OHMSS, Blofeld threatens the world with his "omega" virus knowing full well the UN would have to meet his demands because he has the antidote - of course being the villain he was he didn't consider Bond intervening and destroying his scheme, even though it had happened before.

But supposing we have a villain who has developed a biological weapon and wants to use it? And does so because he considers the human race to be the worst form of life on the planet - humans start wars, waste resources, are responsible for everything bad on Earth and so on - and in his view, the only way that Earth can be cleansed is if humans ceased to exist, himself included. A villain with a death wish - a "death collector" - who wants to take everyone else with him, not to create a new civilisation under the sea or in space but to allow evolution to replace Man with something else. We could even have this villain in a headquarters surrounded by the one form of life he truly loves - poison plants! :-)

And the backing for this lunatic comes from Quantum or SPECTRE or whoever, believing he was just confecting a threat for blackmail purposes - and now realising that they too have to stop his plan, even if it means an unholy alliance with an arch enemy from MI6.

[Pussfeller]

That's a cool idea. It would be interesting to have a situation where the evil organization, be it Quantum or Spectre or the Guild of Calamitous Intent or whoever, suddenly has to put the kibosh on a fellow supervillain because he's just too crazy and threatens to queer the pitch. So they reach out to Bond, the only man they can really trust, and give him the resources to eliminate the threat. Suddenly Bond is being escorted around by waxy-skinned Russian guys in matching jumpsuits; he can whip out a phone and call in a helicopter attack whenever he wants; he's even given access to a Ken Adam set and a chifforobe full of Mao suits. Or something like that. Anyway, Bond is effectively an honorary villain for the duration of the film. Could be a recipe for silly excess, or it could be a fun, genre-bending way to end Craig's era.

[Trevelyan 006]

What about a false activist?

Say, an organization is a world-wide producer of relief efforts within third-world, small, critical-state areas. The organization assumes the image of helping those in need, yet they drain and wither the area even further. While they're upholding the image of helping hands, they could use the cover of a savage group of raiders they in fact produce, to reap all the benefits of the area naturally and economically. Once all is done, a corrupt ruler and regime is appointed by this organization and the regime appointed is forever in debt to the organization. paying them royalties and protection fees, as well as allowing the use of raw materials would all be included in the deal.

EDIT: Perhaps, we learn that this is the exact business the entire Quantum organization is involved in (not only Greene), the conquering of weakened, unstable nations, acquiring their raw materials and appointing their very own corrupt official and regime. The areas in Quantum's sights are those who supply/include the needs of current civilized life such as; water, petroleum, gold, agriculture, etc.

Edited by Trevelyan 006, 15 November 2012 - 11:23 PM.