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[Nicolas Suszczyk]

I see many of you compared Seevrine's death with Bond's use of women as human shields in TSWLM and GF. But that's a different situation since both Felicca and Bonita were working for the baddie and triend to distract Bond while he's trying to shoot/knock him.

On the other side, I think Severine's demise was way too quickly. In fact, "a bloody waste of a good character" more than scotch. I'd preferred Bond preventing her getting killed and she dying in a gunfight or something like that, in action, instead of getting shot like a target figure. There were situations where Bond could do nothing i.e. Andrea was already shot, Jill was painted in gold when he was knocked, he wasn't there when Corrine was being chased by the dogs, etc.

[Revelator]

Those women were either out to kill Bond or working against him. Severine not only gave Bond vital information, but she entrusted herself to his care, despite the horrible consequences.

Yes. AFTER she introduced himself as part of an attempt to have him killed in the casino.

And what of women like the Masterson sisters? Were they not in Bond's care? Did Jill not give Bond vital information only for him to get her killed?

And Severine also alerted Bond to that fact--intentionally--and told him she'd help him afterward, provided he could rescue her from Silva. That's already a far more personal bond than anything Bond enjoyed with the Mastertons, who were not in Bond's care. In Goldfinger we get the sense that Bond either was completely unable to prevent their deaths (as with Jill) or did his best (Tilly) and happened to fail. In both cases, neither character is introduced as a terrified former sex slave who needs Bond to rescue her from a horrible situation. We're not encouraged to feel a lot of vulnerability or concern for either of the Masterton sisters, unlike Severine, whose quick but muddled disposal creates a nasty aftertaste.

Edited by Revelator, 05 December 2012 - 07:04 PM.

[Iceskater101]

Yeah I mean that's how I feel. I think it would have been better if he had stopped everyone and then he saw that she had gotten shot, that would have been better in my opinion.

[Nicolas Suszczyk]

 In both cases, neither character is introduced as a terrified former sex slave who needs Bond to rescue her from a horrible situation. We're not encouraged to feel a lot of vulnerability or concern for either of the Masterton sisters, unlike Severine, whose quick but muddled disposal creates a nasty aftertaste.

 

 

Certainly. When you learn about the dramatic nature of Severine's past there you feel really sorry about her and in a sense annoyed at the way she was so quickly  disposed.

[Bames Jond]

Bond couldn't have known that Silva would simply shoot Severine with his first shot. Up to this point it could all have been some sort of game to make her suffer, with Silva forcing Bond into shooting her with his trembling hand. When I first saw the scene, I thought "He didn't just shoot her now?" It was totally unexpected, for both Bond and the audience.

The "waste of Scotch" line was the distraction: "I don't care. What's next?", after which he strikes all of a sudden and kills Silva's men.

I thought that was a nice little subversion and, for me, totally unexpected.

 

 

 

Silva seemed content to let those who were no longer useful to him die off. Each of his breadcrumbs, from Patrice, to Severine, to his hired guns on the island, were ultimately expendable, and he was probably glad to let them be done in so there were no loose ends.

Fridge brilliance because he also knows what can happen if those who are expendable aren't dealt with in such a fashion.

Edited by Bames Jond, 09 January 2013 - 06:19 AM.