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[MkB]

Oh, Joyce Carrington! Long time no see Nice to see you still have a Circle trilogy teaser in your signature... Should we take it as a good omen?

EDIT: Another question. Am I to believe that to REALLY piss Bond off, I should destroy his car? This is James Bond, I know, but it felt a little petty.

I'm with you on this one, but it seems we're in a very small league, this particular scene seems to have a large support on the board.

[Scrambled Eggs]

Some hint as to what Bond had been doing there for two days? Something that explained why Bond became who he became? As much as I feared something really cheesy, I was kind of disappointed when it turned out there was nothing at all. Somehow the whole plan to come to Scotland didn’t seem necessary anymore. They could have hidden out anywhere. Why here? Why does it matter?

What was he doing in the tunnel for two days? Turning from a boy into a man (not a physical transformation - a mental one).

Why go to Scotland? Firstly Silva uses technology to gain an advantage, Skyfall Lodge barely even has electricity - no internet, no networks, not even a working telephone. Secondly, it's Bond's "home turf". He knows the geography and he knows about the tunnel which gives him an edge on Silva. It's also isolated, so there is less chance of collateral damage during the confrontation and it's easy to see anyone approaching.

I know, this is all very logical.

And yet, using this location almost roused the expectation that there was going to be some statement made about Bond - aside from the fact that he lost his parents at a young age. But there was nothing more than just that. I guess I'm looking for a development in Bonds character that happens in Scotland. Did this happen? Can someone point it out for me?

But, you're wondering about it now aren't you? Isn't it better to leave it a bit mysterious? Too much information about his childhood wouldn't be a good thing.

[Germanlady]

Oh, Joyce Carrington! Long time no see Nice to see you still have a Circle trilogy teaser in your signature... Should we take it as a good omen?

EDIT: Another question. Am I to believe that to REALLY piss Bond off, I should destroy his car? This is James Bond, I know, but it felt a little petty.

I'm with you on this one, but it seems we're in a very small league, this particular scene seems to have a large support on the board.

Yes, its one of my fav parts, too. Such a short momet, but its so "man". Not only Bond man, but man man. You can do a lot to guys, but stay clear of their cars.
I don't get why we suddenly expect feelings from Bond, where he never had any. Not even Craig Bond, who is a lot more vulnerable then past Bonds (probably except dalton). I think, we get into dangerous territory, if we want to strip away too much of what Bond is and always was. Maybe the Craig era has us spoiled with their emotions, but many wanted to get back to more traditional Bond and that is, how Bond is.,

[Elvenstar]

well my sister is not a man but she was offended! she's a huge cars fanatic

[Roebuck]

Some hint as to what Bond had been doing there for two days? Something that explained why Bond became who he became? As much as I feared something really cheesy, I was kind of disappointed when it turned out there was nothing at all. Somehow the whole plan to come to Scotland didn’t seem necessary anymore. They could have hidden out anywhere. Why here? Why does it matter?

What was he doing in the tunnel for two days? Turning from a boy into a man (not a physical transformation - a mental one).

Why go to Scotland? Firstly Silva uses technology to gain an advantage, Skyfall Lodge barely even has electricity - no internet, no networks, not even a working telephone. Secondly, it's Bond's "home turf". He knows the geography and he knows about the tunnel which gives him an edge on Silva. It's also isolated, so there is less chance of collateral damage during the confrontation and it's easy to see anyone approaching.

I know, this is all very logical.

And yet, using this location almost roused the expectation that there was going to be some statement made about Bond - aside from the fact that he lost his parents at a young age. But there was nothing more than just that. I guess I'm looking for a development in Bonds character that happens in Scotland. Did this happen? Can someone point it out for me?

But, you're wondering about it now aren't you? Isn't it better to leave it a bit mysterious? Too much information about his childhood wouldn't be a good thing.

I was dreading some fan fiction moment that would have M admitting responsibility for Bond’s parents death (them being spys and all, naturally). Glad we dodged that bullet!

[MattofSteel]

I'll do a full review at some point in the coming days. After I've seen it again, methinks.

Wow.

Just came out of the midnight screening. Blown away. It was a surreal viewing experience. I went in with tonnes of anxiety, was half-awed and half-satisfied the whole time, but also with a sense of uneasiness. It was so unlike what we've had before. It seemed more intimate, more precisely and painfully focused than any previous Bond. The story seemed contracted in a way I hadn't expected. It wasn't epic - and that's a good thing.

Mendes, Deakins, Newman, Logan, Tremaine, Gassner...and Craig. Every principal on this film deserves an immense shout-out. They've all delivered. Not one person involved in this film dropped the ball. This is the Casino Royale experience all over again, for me.

They won't read this, but thank you to Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson. Life sucks, most of the time. It's memories like this that make it worthwhile, and they're experts at delivering them. 50 more years, please.

EDIT: I do want to make one early judgement. Some have said the third act of the film is its weakest, even a detriment. I find that evaluation absolutely perplexing. It is, for me, the best part of the film. By leagues.

[thecasinoroyale]

Glad you enjoyed it Matt! Agree about the third act- it's refreshing, emotive and very entertaining with everything stripped away and just classic Bond action!

[007jamesbond]

yea.....I expecting you @Matt will be watching it again? I will watch it soon (Nov 9) I hope.....

Edited by 007jamesbond, 08 November 2012 - 08:21 AM.

[Peckinpah1976]

well-staged climax where it's revealed that Bond is actually a Highland version of Bruce Wayne.

Completely different scenarios. Have you read the books? Nothing was "revealed" if you have read them. Even the circumstances of their deaths have nothing to do with murder. Bond comes from a very different background.

Yes, I have read the books many times thank you and please do tell me where Fleming wrote of Bond living in a Gothic Mansion and being taken under the wing of a wise, avuncular servant following the death of his parents or his 'rebirth' from a subterranean area of said house? Skyfall is blatantly inspired by the Nolan films in tone, structure and style - Silva even resembles Heath Ledger's Joker, not to mention the destruction of Wayne Manor at the end of Batman Begins in a strikingly similar way.

Edited by Peckinpah1976, 08 November 2012 - 11:14 AM.

[marktmurphy]

well-staged climax where it's revealed that Bond is actually a Highland version of Bruce Wayne.

Completely different scenarios. Have you read the books? Nothing was "revealed" if you have read them. Even the circumstances of their deaths have nothing to do with murder. Bond comes from a very different background.

Yes, I have read the books many times thank you and please do tell me where Fleming wrote of Bond living in a Gothic Mansion and being taken under the wing of a wise, avuncular servant following the death of his parents or his 'rebirth' from a subterranean area of said house? Skyfall is blatantly inspired by the Nolan films in tone, structure and style - Silva even resembles Heath Ledger's Joker, not to mention the destruction of Wayne Manor at the end of Batman Begins in a strikingly similar way.

I genuinely think it's a bit of a coincidence and looks more like that when written down: I don't think Kincade and Alfred have much in common at all but it's easy to write a synopsis that way. I think it's quite wrong to say it's influenced by the Nolanbats in tone: Skyfall is much funnier and warmer than those films.

[JCRendle]

well-staged climax where it's revealed that Bond is actually a Highland version of Bruce Wayne.

Completely different scenarios. Have you read the books? Nothing was "revealed" if you have read them. Even the circumstances of their deaths have nothing to do with murder. Bond comes from a very different background.

Yes, I have read the books many times thank you and please do tell me where Fleming wrote of Bond living in a Gothic Mansion and being taken under the wing of a wise, avuncular servant following the death of his parents or his 'rebirth' from a subterranean area of said house? Skyfall is blatantly inspired by the Nolan films in tone, structure and style - Silva even resembles Heath Ledger's Joker, not to mention the destruction of Wayne Manor at the end of Batman Begins in a strikingly similar way.

Not from Fleming, but Pearson's James Bond: Authorised Biography of 007 (1973) has this:-

I was surprised to see James Bond was evidently proud of his Scottishness, talking nostalgically about the stone house in the Highlands which was still the centre of the family. He said the only roots he felt were there. "I always feel myself emotionally a Scot. I don't feel too comfortable in England. When I die I've asked that my ashes be scattered in Glencoe."

When I read that, I thought instantly of Skyfall and wondered if Logan, Purvis or Wade has read Pearson's "Biography".

The actual page can be read here:- http://books.google....g=PA22&lpg=PA22

[Major Tallon]

well-staged climax where it's revealed that Bond is actually a Highland version of Bruce Wayne.

Completely different scenarios. Have you read the books? Nothing was "revealed" if you have read them. Even the circumstances of their deaths have nothing to do with murder. Bond comes from a very different background.

Yes, I have read the books many times thank you and please do tell me where Fleming wrote of Bond living in a Gothic Mansion and being taken under the wing of a wise, avuncular servant following the death of his parents or his 'rebirth' from a subterranean area of said house? Skyfall is blatantly inspired by the Nolan films in tone, structure and style - Silva even resembles Heath Ledger's Joker, not to mention the destruction of Wayne Manor at the end of Batman Begins in a strikingly similar way.

It wasn't a Scot, but Fleming, in the short story "Octopussy," does hint that Bond had an older man serve as a mentor to him after the death of his parents. In discussing the Austrian Hannes Oberhauser, Bond said, "He was something of a father to me at a time when I happened to need one." The filmmakers appear to have take some dramatic license, latched onto this general idea, and transported Bond's "father figure" (adding a manor house) to Scotland. That, at least, would be my guess as to the background for the Kincade character.

[MattofSteel]

yea.....I expecting you @Matt will be watching it again? I will watch it soon (Nov 9) I hope.....

Tomorrow again, for certain. Possibly today. We'll see.

[JCRendle]

It wasn't a Scot, but Fleming, in the short story "Octopussy," does hint that Bond had an older man serve as a mentor to him after the death of his parents. In discussing the Austrian Hannes Oberhauser, Bond said, "He was something of a father to me at a time when I happened to need one." The filmmakers appear to have take some dramatic license, latched onto this general idea, and transported Bond's "father figure" (adding a manor house) to Scotland. That, at least, would be my guess as to the background for the Kincade character.

So a little Fleming's Octopussy and a little Pearson's Authorised Biography of 007 - The filmmakers seem to have done their homework properly.

[Bucky]

Saw it last night at midnight in IMAX. Loved it. Was able to avoid knowing anything about the film pretty successfully with the exception of some of the cast, and knowing it had something to do with M.

I look forward to seeing it again, just wondering though, is it better to see it in IMAX or a regular theater because I am kind of curious about what the experience is with the wider aspect ratio compared to the taller one for IMAX.

Edited by Bucky, 08 November 2012 - 07:07 PM.

[JazzyBond]

Saw Skyfall last night and I need to first tell of a funny thing that happened, I can laugh about it now. We are at the scene where Bond meets Severine and the theaters emergency alarm goes off! I guess Severine was just too hot for the screen lol! Well I'm beyond upset thinking I'm going to miss something juicy when they finally fix everything and they gave me and my friends free passes so a free viewing of Skyfall for me! Now onto my review. The first third and the last third were my favorites. It's strange the things I thought I wouldn't like ie. Komodo dragons the Straw Dogs ending, I loved! The things I thought I would love the Silva interrogation, Bernice getting shot, left me feeling somewhat hollow. I guess I'm like one of the members when they stated "did Severine have to die" Bond has a gun he knows help is coming and his line about a waste of good scotch felt very cold. He was supposed to save her! I did love every scene she was in and not just for the obvious reasons, the desperation she gave off when she was asking Bond can you kill him was some top notch acting! The CGI dentures were unnerving but cool. Question, his name in full was never mentioned if was always Mr. Silva they never said Raoul Silva. Was this his name when he was in MI6? If not if it was Tobago Rodriguez of whatever then how did they get this name? From Severine I guess? The ending to me was the whole movie. I loved the whole us against them feel. I still don't get why he couldn't alert the troops again via radio once Silva arrived but I digress. I loved the Moors scenes and the flying kick and the knee strangle. Loved Silva's expressions in the chapel. This is where he really shined! I will think of more stuff later as I'm going to see it again Saturday but for now it's in my top 5 but not as good as CR.

Edited by JazzyBond, 09 November 2012 - 03:37 PM.

[JazzyBond]

Questions. What does Bond say after killing Silva " Last Rites standing?" What was the assassination in Shanghai about? I know we see the wound from Patrice's shot but where exactly is Eve's wound from her shot?

[FredJB007]

Questions. What does Bond say after killing Silva " Last Rites standing?" What was the assassination in Shanghai about? I know we see the wound from Patrice's shot but where exactly is Eve's wound from her shot?

Bond says "Last Rat Standing" in reference to Silva's opening appearance speech.

[Vauxhall]

What was the assassination in Shanghai about?

The man killed was an art collector. I believe there was a scene cut which explained more fully about Severine and Silva making money by purporting to sell stolen pieces of art, and then killing off the buyers. The Modigliani shown in Severine's apartment was "Woman with a Fan", which was stolen in real life from the Paris Museum of Modern Art in 2010.

[JazzyBond]

Ahh thank you! Makes sense now. I thought with them in a chapel he said Last Rites lol!

Why do directors/editors delete scenes that could be helpful and also in this case flesh out characters a bit more like Severine?

[Emma]

Well...I just came back from seeing the film and I was pleasantly surprised. I had thought that many of the positive reviews were just hyperbole and over the top.

It wasn't.

It was hands down the best Bond film I have ever seen. And probably the best film I have seen this year (even better than TDkR). My eyes were glued to the screen the whole time and the audience I saw it with was completely silent and captivated. In fact if I had not been with someone else,I would have lined up t see it again. It was emotional, thrilling and intelligent (without coming across as contrived or pretentious).


Daniel Craig has not only become in my view the best Bond to play the part. But I honestly consider his Bond to be a personal inspiration. No mean feat considering I initially thought that he would be a disaster in the role six years ago. Anyone who can make me change my mind like that really deserves top honour.

I plan on see it again. Truly this is one film that made me proud to be a Bond fan.

[zencat]

Saw it last night. Mid-way through the word miraculous came to mind and that has stuck with me today. Skyfall was miraculous.

[Dustin]

Saw it last night. Mid-way through the word miraculous came to mind and that has stuck with me today. Skyfall was miraculous.

Glad you liked it, Zencat. Do write a review!

[Major Tallon]

Saw it last night. Mid-way through the word miraculous came to mind and that has stuck with me today. Skyfall was miraculous.

I can only hope that if you start a thread proclaiming "Skyfall" the best Bond movie ever, it becomes an often-quoted CBn classic. It's a wonderful movie, deserving high praise.

[PPK_19]

Just returned from my second viewing. Javier Bardem was even more impressive this time round.

It's been out in England for the past two and a bit weeks and the cinema was STILL packed! The 'exploding pen' line and the 'jumped up little S***' line made the audience ROAR with laughter.

Even my father, who i saw it with and who is notoriously hard to please, said it was the best Bond film he'd ever seen.

Also, i realise i don't give a f*** if the gun barrel is at the end or not.

[Shot Your Bolt]

It's a very good Bond movie. Better then QoS, that's for damn sure.

But it sure wasn't no Casino Royale. And the climax just went on FOREVER, with M's death kinda an afterthought.

[MrKidd]

Oh maaann! Underwhelmed. Not so much disappointed but underwhelmed. Granted some nice bits but on the whole....underwhelmed. I don't know, but I'm not finding DC Bond all that interesting now. He's not carrying off the charm as I thought he could do. Still much more acceptable than QOS but no CR and DC Bond now ranks as my third favorite, after SC and RM.

PS. I KNEW I was right in being skeptical of too much M. The Big Bad wanted to kill her not Bond!!!?? Do what?! Come on, you know how this works...everybody...'Keeeell Bond NOW'.

Edited by MrKidd, 10 November 2012 - 03:11 AM.

[byline]

Jeez, this is going to be hard but I must refrain from repeating others - so I'll have a go, so much going around in my head, so I'll break it down into sections, if that helps...

Not gonna quote your entire review, but just wanted to say that, having seen it for the first time tonight, I agree with all of your insights. Bravo!

[Hockey Mask]

Just got back from my first viewing...

Bond Rankings: GF, SKYFALL, OHMSS, CR, DN, QOS, FRWL, GE, FYEO, TSWLM, LALD, TWINE, TB, TLD, OP, LTK, YOLT, DAF, MR, DAD, NSNA, AVTAK, TND, TMWTGG

I'll post my thoughts after I digest it,

[JimmyBond]

I'm still in awe of what I saw. A second viewing is in order, so I can fully digest it. I knew practically every spoiler, and still...and still I was not prepared for what I saw.

I remember people asking if Skyfall would be Craig's "The Spy Who Loved Me." While I realize no one can answer that knowing he still has more Bond's on the horizon, i'd say that's a pretty fair assessment.

I will say this though, it's definitely my favorite of Craig's three films so far.