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[Shrublands]

I'm into Spoilers, but there are certain things I've overlooked - is the situation at Whitehall to do with the 'attack' on MI6/London or a seperate incident?

Sorry - the London / MI6 attack blends into one with me as I want to know bits, but don't want to know TOO much! Cheers!

They are two separate incidents. The explosion at MI6 HQ happens towards the beginning. The Whitehall stuff just before the climax in Scotland.

[thecasinoroyale]

Is the Whitehall stuff linked with the shots of Bond running around London / Tube train crashing / Jaguar speeding around?

If so...what happens at Whitehall, is it just another attack from Silva?


Sorry...the London incidents are ones I've never pieced together, which I suppose isn't a bad thing!

[Shrublands]

Is the Whitehall stuff linked with the shots of Bond running around London / Tube train crashing / Jaguar speeding around?

If so...what happens at Whitehall, is it just another attack from Silva?


Sorry...the London incidents are ones I've never pieced together, which I suppose isn't a bad thing!

I’ll put a spoiler tab on this, as some might think it extra-sensitive.

Spoiler

Bond is not involved with the first incident; in fact, everyone thinks he’s dead. He’s in Turkey and sees the news of the explosion on TV the next morning.

Yes, the second attack leads on from the Tube sequence and Bond running on the streets of London. He’s tracking Silva, who has escaped from M16 custody. From what I understand, Silva gains access to the room where a top level inquiry is taking place and opens fire on the people present. M is giving evidence at the time. Afterwards, Bond and M speed off in the jag as the police arrive.

[thecasinoroyale]

Ohh ace! That clears up jumbled information in my head....sounds brilliant, even more so now it fits other things in place!




Thanks Shrublands, I appreciate it!

[Pussfeller]

Is the Whitehall stuff linked with the shots of Bond running around London / Tube train crashing / Jaguar speeding around?

If so...what happens at Whitehall, is it just another attack from Silva?


Sorry...the London incidents are ones I've never pieced together, which I suppose isn't a bad thing!

I’ll put a spoiler tab on this, as some might think it extra-sensitive.

Spoiler

Bond is not involved with the first incident; in fact, everyone thinks he’s dead. He’s in Turkey and sees the news of the explosion on TV the next morning.

Yes, the second attack leads on from the Tube sequence and Bond running on the streets of London. He’s tracking Silva, who has escaped from M16 custody. From what I understand, Silva gains access to the room where a top level inquiry is taking place and opens fire on the people present. M is giving evidence at the time. Afterwards, Bond and M speed off in the jag as the police arrive.

That sounds terrific. Is this the context of the image of Fiennes brandishing a gun?

[S K Y F A L L]

I think so, it all adds up quite nicely Shrublands. I wonder if Mallory hit anything.

[00Twelve]

Someone please shoot me down if it's already known; a buddy of mine was watching the teaser with me and wondered if the 8 coffins M is standing over are the other 00's. I am highly skeptical, as that might be a little cheeseball, but wondered if anyone knows for sure.

[thecasinoroyale]

As for what I'm aware of, the coffins are MI6 agents / operatives involved in the 'attack on MI6'. Not sure how or who specifically, but I guess they could be sepcific Agents or even administrators caught up in what goes on.

But this makes sense for 'M' to be standing over them looking on.

[Shrublands]

In the scenes that lead into the explosion and the deaths at MI6, M has been called away to a meeting with Mallory (and kept waiting) at his Whitehall office. The implication, at least to me, is that she would have been at MI6 and possibly killed had this not been the case.

One possible scenario could have a meeting of all the 00s called after the ‘death’ of 007, which she was going to address. However, circumstances held her up and the explosion kills the other top agents but not M.

[thecasinoroyale]

Crikey, looks like a good portion of the 00-Section could be wiped out if this is the case!


Are we SURE Johnny English isn't behind this plot...?

[Royal Dalton]

Well, the people behind the plot for Johnny English are.

[thecasinoroyale]

...oh dear lord....!

[Pussfeller]

The spoiler from Shrublands suggests that the coffin-stuffers are not 00-agents, but high-ranking regulatory people, like MPs or cabinet ministers. It would be a bit contrived to wipe out every 00-agent except Bond. It's very "King Ralph".

[JCRendle]

It would be a bit contrived to wipe out every 00-agent except Bond. It's very "King Ralph".

Is John Goodman the new Bond then?

[Pussfeller]

"Blofeld, you're entering a world of pain."

Yeah, I could see it.

[thecasinoroyale]

Good point Pussfeller...that would be very tacky thinking about it. No other 00 agents to defend the realm apart from James Bond! (Not bad, but not for Craig's era.)

As you say, probably M's close friends and aides killed, why she is looking over them, saying goodbye?

[Pussfeller]

One thing I don't quite understand...

Spoiler

Shrublands reports that Silva opens fire on a "top-level inquiry" where M is giving evidence. It seems like M ought to be right in the firing line. How does she escape death or serious injury?

[Shrublands]

The spoiler from Shrublands suggests that the coffin-stuffers are not 00-agents, but high-ranking regulatory people, like MPs or cabinet ministers.

Just to be clear...

Spoiler

The first attack, the one that happens shortly after the main titles, is directly on MI6 HQ at Vauxhall Cross and leads to the funeral with the coffins draped in the Union Flag. This makes me think, that at the very least, they are people who work at MI6, possibly agents.

It’s the second attack that takes place in Whitehall and has the members of parliament and other high-ranking regulatory people present.

[Pussfeller]

Ahh, I guess I had it backwards. So the coffins are MI6, though not necessarily 00.

[00Twelve]

The spoiler from Shrublands suggests that the coffin-stuffers are not 00-agents, but high-ranking regulatory people, like MPs or cabinet ministers. It would be a bit contrived to wipe out every 00-agent except Bond. It's very "King Ralph".

You bet. A bit like Abrams' Trek movie, too. One mission and Kirk goes from lieutenant (if that) to captain. I'd have been so p****d if I'd been one of the 50+ officers that got jumped in a couple of days like that. Couldn't imagine the same happening in Bond's world.

"Welp, we're just a few years into your career and you're the senior 00 agent, just like in the novels!"

[Shrublands]

Ahh, I guess I had it backwards. So the coffins are MI6, though not necessarily 00.

Exactly.

[Vauxhall]

Nice breakdown of the teaser trailer on the main CBn page. One small amendment from me - the shot towards the end of the trailer of Bond turning and aiming his gun is set in Silva's abandoned city (Hashima), not Turkey.

[Dmitri Mishkin]

I agree, nice breakdown and nice to see CBn's main page alive again with fresh content.

Saw the teaser on the big screen last night for MIB3. You could feel the buzz in the theatre. Despite being a bit tepid about Skyfall initially, it really does look fantastic, especially Macau and the floating casino.

[Shrublands]

Nice breakdown of the teaser trailer on the main CBn page. One small amendment from me - the shot towards the end of the trailer of Bond turning and aiming his gun is set in Silva's abandoned city (Hashima), not Turkey.

...and the Tube train crash does not directly follow Bond's first 'face to face' meeting with Silva. The two first meet on Hashima Island, the Tube train stuff is back in London later on. They've encountered each other a few times by then.

[DamnCoffee]

Deepest apologies. I'll sort that out!

[sharpshooter]


Nice breakdown of the teaser trailer on the main CBn page. 


Indeed, it is nicely done.

Bond missing the target at the firing range gets me thinking. It’s one thing to be out of shape (running and doing laps in a swimming pool) but it’s another thing to lose your ability. It could be entirely above his shoulders, a mental block of some kind. Something that he needs to work through.

[JCRendle]

Do we know it's Bond, we didn't see him firing? He could be training someone, Eve maybe? I can just see him watching her shoot, miss then coming behind her, taking her hands in his from behind and aligning the gun on the target.

The teaser could be misleading.

[MattofSteel]

Or perhaps Bond doesn't want to be reinstated, hence the screwing with the word-association-guy - and purposefully fires poorly. It's only after a meeting with M that he's implored to reconsider his attitude and some personal stake or professional loyalty to her leads him to change his mind and really re-commit.

[Shrublands]

Do we know it's Bond, we didn't see him firing? He could be training someone, Eve maybe? I can just see him watching her shoot, miss then coming behind her, taking her hands in his from behind and aligning the gun on the target.

And wouldn't that be SO insufferably smug.

Not going to happen... thank god!

[sharpshooter]

Or perhaps Bond doesn't want to be reinstated, hence the screwing with the word-association-guy - and purposefully fires poorly. It's only after a meeting with M that he's implored to reconsider his attitude and some personal stake or professional loyalty to her leads him to change his mind and really re-commit.

Interesting thought.

I’ve dug through some Fleming and perhaps it could be a variation on ‘The Soft Life’ from Fleming’s FRWL. “The blubbery arms of the soft life had Bond round the neck and they were slowly killing him. He was a man of war and when, for a long period, there was no war, his spirit went into decline.”

And also -

“Was his personality changing? Was he losing his edge, his point, his identity? Was he losing the vices that were so much a part of his ruthless, cruel, fundamentally tough character? Who was he in the process of becoming? A soft, dreaming, kindly idealist who would naturally leave the Service and become instead a prison visitor, interest himself in youth clubs, march with the H-bomb marchers, eat nutcutlets, try and change the world for the better?”