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[JimmyBond]

Don't forget Licence to Kill.

[S K Y F A L L]

Also Dr. No, I believe.

That is an interesting rumor about the MI6 explosion, the scorpion and rat pit all sounds like they really did put a lot of thought into this film since QOS.

[Kristian]

QOS was so determined to be a "Bourne" clone that they barely put any thought into the classic Bondian elements. Everytime I read that interview with Marc Forster where he readily admits he wanted to make QOS as similar to the Bourne films as possible, I get queasy.

Looks like they learned from that . QOS was okay, but in the end, it lost both the Bourne and the Bond audiences. A movie that opens at $65 plus million should gross more than $168 million. QOS should've gone over $200 million.

[thecasinoroyale]

QOS was so determined to be a "Bourne" clone that they barely put any thought into the classic Bondian elements. Everytime I read that interview with Marc Forster where he readily admits he wanted to make QOS as similar to the Bourne films as possible, I get queasy.

Really?

I didn't know that...what a plank. Bond doesn't need to be Bourne! I agree about losing the Bond elements. As an action film, it was enjoyable in places and the opening title sequence is one of the best in the series, but it's not true Bond. Craig does a sterling job with the ammo he has, but it's not a Bond film at heart.



As it grossed near as much as 'CR' on that basis, I expect 'Skyfall' to eclipse them both as it will be far better than 'QOS' and deliver what we wanted and got in 'CR' and more!

[Matt_13]

I don't recall any interview with Forster where he said anything remotely like that.

[Kristian]

I don't have the link anymore, sadly, but it was in the lead up to the release of QOS. I vividly recall reading it, and Forster talked about how much he liked the Jason Bourne films and the action in them, and there was a reference to Dan Bradley (from the Bourne films) being brought on to get that same feel. While he never came out and verbally said "This is my Jason Bond movie", that was the strong impression of the piece. I remember feeling worried. Now I happen to like QOS at lot, but it could've been much more satisfying.

Then I read another article during that same time where Forster reportedly had Purvis and Wade's first draft of QOS (which had the Bond elements) completely rewritten to what it is onscreen now. The general feel I got from these articles and Forster's comments is that they were actively trying minimize the Bond feel, and go for a grittier, Bourne-like feel. The one I thing I remember thinking was: "Hmmmmm.. He's European. You'd think he'd be more loyal to Bond than to Bourne." Bourne Loyalty is what I would expect from an American director, in general...

We're in good stead with Sam Mendes, though.

Edited by Kristian, 25 May 2012 - 04:59 PM.

[Shrublands]

I don't have the link anymore, sadly, but it was in the lead up to the release of QOS. I vividly recall reading it, and Forster talked about how much he liked the Jason Bourne films and the action in them, and there was a reference to Dan Bradley (from the Bourne films) being brought on to get that same feel. While he never came out and verbally said "This is my Jason Bond movie", that was the strong impression of the piece. I remember feeling worried. Now I happen to like QOS at lot, but it could've been much more satisfying.

Then I read another article during that same time where Forster reportedly had Purvis and Wade's first draft of QOS (which had the Bond elements) completely rewritten to what it is onscreen now. The general feel I got from these articles and Forster's comments is that they were actively trying minimize the Bond feel, and go for a grittier, Bourne-like feel. The one I thing I remember thinking was: "Hmmmmm.. He's European. You'd think he'd be more loyal to Bond than to Bourne." Bourne Loyalty is what I would expect from an American director, in general...

We're in good stead with Sam Mendes, though.

I don't know where you are getting your information from, but I certainly didn't read anything like this. Also, Purvis and Wade didn't work on QOS after Forster became involved, so his instructing them to do what you suggest is wrong for a start.

[PPK_19]

I don't have the link anymore, sadly, but it was in the lead up to the release of QOS. I vividly recall reading it, and Forster talked about how much he liked the Jason Bourne films and the action in them, and there was a reference to Dan Bradley (from the Bourne films) being brought on to get that same feel. While he never came out and verbally said "This is my Jason Bond movie", that was the strong impression of the piece. I remember feeling worried. Now I happen to like QOS at lot, but it could've been much more satisfying.

Then I read another article during that same time where Forster reportedly had Purvis and Wade's first draft of QOS (which had the Bond elements) completely rewritten to what it is onscreen now. The general feel I got from these articles and Forster's comments is that they were actively trying minimize the Bond feel, and go for a grittier, Bourne-like feel. The one I thing I remember thinking was: "Hmmmmm.. He's European. You'd think he'd be more loyal to Bond than to Bourne." Bourne Loyalty is what I would expect from an American director, in general...

We're in good stead with Sam Mendes, though.

I don't know where you are getting your information from, but I certainly didn't read anything like this. Also, Purvis and Wade didn't work on QOS after Forster became involved, so his instructing them to do what you suggest is wrong for a start.

Whether Forster said it or not, Dan Bradley's involvement as second unit director says it all.

[GardenerJames..Gardener]

more QOS hate? please move on....This is SKYFALL!

I would love to see more secret compartments and the like in Bond films, in a fanfiction i worked on i made an out of service toilet stahl be a secret enterence into a mi6 lair/command post. The only gadget we know about is a remote control for an RC care that JB uses....wonder if we will get any tracking devices.

I thought the scorpin was code for Eve and Bond are on a sting operation or a stake out that goes wrong or gets flipped.

[Matt_13]

The site's facebook page just posted this. Hilarious break down of the trailer.

http://theincredible...le-trailer.html

[killkenny kid]

Thanks Matt, that one put the big smile on the face.

[Matt_13]

Love this one:

" M's Jubilee street party looks like a LOL riot."

[Kristian]

I don't have the link anymore, sadly, but it was in the lead up to the release of QOS. I vividly recall reading it, and Forster talked about how much he liked the Jason Bourne films and the action in them, and there was a reference to Dan Bradley (from the Bourne films) being brought on to get that same feel. While he never came out and verbally said "This is my Jason Bond movie", that was the strong impression of the piece. I remember feeling worried. Now I happen to like QOS at lot, but it could've been much more satisfying.

Then I read another article during that same time where Forster reportedly had Purvis and Wade's first draft of QOS (which had the Bond elements) completely rewritten to what it is onscreen now. The general feel I got from these articles and Forster's comments is that they were actively trying minimize the Bond feel, and go for a grittier, Bourne-like feel. The one I thing I remember thinking was: "Hmmmmm.. He's European. You'd think he'd be more loyal to Bond than to Bourne." Bourne Loyalty is what I would expect from an American director, in general...

We're in good stead with Sam Mendes, though.

I don't know where you are getting your information from, but I certainly didn't read anything like this. Also, Purvis and Wade didn't work on QOS after Forster became involved, so his instructing them to do what you suggest is wrong for a start.

I know what I read, and it was a fairly reputable site. And regarding the QOS rewrite, let me be clear: I never wrote that Forster "instructed" P and W to rewrite their draft. Or "instructing them". Those are your words. All I stated was that he "reportedly had their draft completely rewritten". That is clear from my post. If I recall it was Paul Haagis who did the rewrites. I should've stated that last bit. I remember a friend who read the same report kidding that the P&W draft probably had Fields identified as Strawberry all throughout the film, and Forster probably hated that so much he nixed her name from being uttered at all (until the end credits). And he also joked that Bond probably had sex with Camille in that draft, which Forster must have shot down. If I remember correctly from the article, Forster wanted a more "serious" tone than P&W delivered.

But I'm happy to see that the SKYFALL teaser promises a more Bond-like romp. I liked QOS as a one-off experiment, but it's time for a return to form. And the SKYFALL teaser certainly more than hints at that. Thank God.

Edited by Kristian, 26 May 2012 - 02:32 AM.

[Matt_13]

Just had a thought.

What if the word association game is directly linked to the events of the PTS? The reason this crossed my mind is because we see the man in the chair who is ostensibly murdered. We see that Patrice, at least in Shanghai, has an interesting looking gun that could be viewed sooner in the film (like the PTS), and Agent could be a reference to Eve. The doctor could simply be trying to break into Bond's psyche subtly before saying flat out "Skyfall." Just a thought. Carry on. I'm already bored.

[Shrublands]

Just had a thought.

What if the word association game is directly linked to the events of the PTS? The reason this crossed my mind is because we see the man in the chair who is ostensibly murdered. We see that Patrice, at least in Shanghai, has an interesting looking gun that could be viewed sooner in the film (like the PTS), and Agent could be a reference to Eve. The doctor could simply be trying to break into Bond's psyche subtly before saying flat out "Skyfall." Just a thought. Carry on. I'm already bored.

I’m pretty confident that the room with the dead man starts the film and leads into the main action of the PTS. I think that it is something that Bond discovers in that room that calls into question his loyalty to M and subsequently motivates him to stay out of sight when people think he’s dead. The story’s emotional arc is set in motion here. It is interesting that, at least as far as the teaser trailer goes, the word ‘Skyfall’ is a memory trigger for this revelation and destabilizing moment.

[S K Y F A L L]

Thanks Matt. Does anyone get reminded of the fast forwarded zooms in DAD when they do it here in the teaser of Shanghai?

[Shrublands]

Thanks Matt. Does anyone get reminded of the fast forwarded zooms in DAD when they do it here in the teaser of Shanghai?

Not particularly, they do that in lots of trailers, including the CR teaser, but the shots are not played the same way in the finished film.

[Matt_13]

The speed ramping is just for the trailer. The Casino Royale trailer had some of it too, with a shot zipping up from Le Chiffre's side of the poker table and over to Bond's. I'm willing to bet in the finished product, the establishing shot will be much more gradual, panning out as a slow reveal of the Shanghai skyline. Same goes for the slow motion. The only shot that looks like it was deliberately filmed with slow mo in mind is the shot of Patrice taking a dive off the skyscraper, and even that could simply be for the trailer. There will be no speed ramping in the finished product.

EDIT

Shrublands beat me to the punch.

[S K Y F A L L]

I should have know better and known its not Mendes's style.

[Kristian]

Thanks Matt. Does anyone get reminded of the fast forwarded zooms in DAD when they do it here in the teaser of Shanghai?

Actually, yes.... But it was more "agreeable" to me, if that makes sense. With DAD, the fast-forwards just seemed like flourishes that weren't organic to the story. The teaser for SKYFALL is not much to go by, but the fast-forward doesn't bother me as much as that of DAD. But, as our learned peers have pointed out, this could also just be for the preview. It may not exist in the film. But even if it does, I will be happy. If for no other reason than SKYFALL doesn't have a melting ice palace, a diamond-studded goon, or laser beam built in a scant 14 months.

Can't wait for SKYFALL! : )

Edited by Kristian, 26 May 2012 - 04:55 PM.

[PPK_19]

Thanks Matt. Does anyone get reminded of the fast forwarded zooms in DAD when they do it here in the teaser of Shanghai?

Not particularly, they do that in lots of trailers, including the CR teaser, but the shots are not played the same way in the finished film.

Very true. But i have to say, there is a speed ramping bit in DAD which i really liked. It's during the car chase across the ice, Zao chasing Bond in his green jag. The camera 'speed ramps' at a blistering speed, zooming into the area near the Aston's front tyre. I thought it looked great.

But obviously we won't see any of this sort of camera movement in SF. This is a 'proper' Bond film after all. Proper serious like.

[Goodnight]

The trailer has got me buzzing, can't believe it's only 5 months to go.

I was on a Bond tour and boat trip last Sunday in London, seeing Bond sprinting down Parliament Street in the trailer, brings it all home for me.


Looks like it'll be a good one.

[S K Y F A L L]

Anyone notice how Tanner is standing next to Mallory and not M, as if she is the one on trial during the word association game?

[Shrublands]

Anyone notice how Tanner is standing next to Mallory and not M, as if she is the one on trial during the word association game?

Wouldn’t it just be totally inappropriate for a subordinate to stand himself right in the centre when his superiors are trying to observe an important evaluation?
I see it as him just him standing to one side whilst M and Mallory get the best view of things.

[S K Y F A L L]

Anyone notice how Tanner is standing next to Mallory and not M, as if she is the one on trial during the word association game?

Wouldn’t it just be totally inappropriate for a subordinate to stand himself right in the centre when his superiors are trying to observe an important evaluation?
I see it as him just him standing to one side whilst M and Mallory get the best view of things.

Yes but and I might just be trying to make something out of nothing, but why is Tanner standing next to Mallory and not M, if he is M's subordinate?

[Jim]

He may have switched allegiances. Would at least be something interesting for an otherwise hollow exposition cipher.

[thecasinoroyale]

I was thinking along the same idea, maybe it's not just Bond who's finding it hard to put together M's past, and maybe Tanner either i) of his own accord or ii) by Mallory himself, be roped into working more alongside him than M until the investigation/evaluation is clear and over?

[S K Y F A L L]

Is it just me or does it seem like Bond is lying to protect M?

[Shrublands]

I suppose it’s also interesting that Bond drives off leaving Tanner behind when he rescues M from the situation in Whitehall.

[thecasinoroyale]

I'm into Spoilers, but there are certain things I've overlooked - is the situation at Whitehall to do with the 'attack' on MI6/London or a seperate incident?

Sorry - the London / MI6 attack blends into one with me as I want to know bits, but don't want to know TOO much! Cheers!