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[The Shark]

Patrice has a computer memory stick on a chain around his neck. I think it is the content of this memory stick that is at the crux of M’s decision.
I also think that this is all connected with what is in the black box at the film’s end.

And also the flash drive that's hacked into before the SIS HQ's blown up?

[S K Y F A L L]

I don't know anything about the memory stick but it sounds possible. I just can't believe how bloody boring it has been the last month without any Skyfall news really...

[Royal Dalton]

Patrice has a computer memory stick on a chain around his neck. I think it is the content of this memory stick that is at the crux of M’s decision.
I also think that this is all connected with what is in the black box at the film’s end.

And also the flash drive that's hacked into before the SIS HQ's blown up?

Yeah, I should think there must be something on it that allows Silva to break into the SIS computer system.

Presumably, someone from MI6 has illegally traded it to that Turkish businessman, and Bond is sent to Istanbul to get it back from him, but Patrice gets to him first.

[Vauxhall]

I imagine the memory stick/flash drive is a form of Trojan horse that Silva uses to attack MI6 from the inside once it's plugged into the computer system. Similarly, I think that when MI6 impound computers from Silva's headquarters later in the movie, Silva is then able to weaken MI6's defences sufficiently for him to escape the bunker isolation chamber.

[thecasinoroyale]

Sounds brilliant from here....fascinating ideas.

[Royal Dalton]

I imagine the memory stick/flash drive is a form of Trojan horse that Silva uses to attack MI6 from the inside once it's plugged into the computer system. Similarly, I think that when MI6 impound computers from Silva's headquarters later in the movie, Silva is then able to weaken MI6's defences sufficiently for him to escape the bunker isolation chamber.

So, Bond captures Silva on the island and brings him back to London then?

[Shrublands]

I imagine the memory stick/flash drive is a form of Trojan horse that Silva uses to attack MI6 from the inside once it's plugged into the computer system. Similarly, I think that when MI6 impound computers from Silva's headquarters later in the movie, Silva is then able to weaken MI6's defences sufficiently for him to escape the bunker isolation chamber.

So, Bond captures Silva on the island and brings him back to London then?

Yes, that's what happens. And I suspect, that him being taken into the heart of MI6, is itself a sort of Trojan horse.

[Royal Dalton]

Yes, I see what you mean.

Good to finally know where that isolation guard character fits into it all, too.

[Shrublands]

Yes, I see what you mean.

Good to finally know where that isolation guard character fits into it all, too.

From what I can tell, they seem to keep Silva in the same room that Bond’s word association session takes place in.
I keep seeing it referred to as ‘Mallory's isolation chamber’ and the bit on the other side of the glass as ‘Mallory’s observation chamber”.
Perhaps Mallory is responsible for this whole underground emergency HQ for MI6.
M and co have only set up base there because of the explosion at their regular base.
Now it would be one thing for Silva to be confident that he could get out of the isolation chamber when the time was right, but the whole underground bunker?
There has to be a secret way out and he knows all about it. All this keeps taking me back to suspecting that Mallory must be in league with Silva.

[The Shark]

I keep seeing it referred to as ‘Mallory's isolation chamber’ and the bit on the other side of the glass as ‘Mallory’s observation chamber”.

Are we talking about Gassner's set drawings?

[Shrublands]

I keep seeing it referred to as ‘Mallory's isolation chamber’ and the bit on the other side of the glass as ‘Mallory’s observation chamber”.

Are we talking about Gassner's set drawings?

Call sheets and storyboards.

[Vauxhall]

I'm also increasingly suspicious about Mallory, which disappoints me slightly, as I'd hoped to see more of Fiennes in the series. However, I have faith that the classic "government mole" storyline could be handled in a satisfying way by Mendes.

[Shrublands]

I'm also increasingly suspicious about Mallory, which disappoints me slightly, as I'd hoped to see more of Fiennes in the series. However, I have faith that the classic "government mole" storyline could be handled in a satisfying way by Mendes.

Actually, I’m both suspicious of him and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if we saw more of him in Bond 24. Possibly as the main villain and the person who Bond blames for...

Spoiler

M's death.

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[MattofSteel]

I imagine the memory stick/flash drive is a form of Trojan horse that Silva uses to attack MI6 from the inside once it's plugged into the computer system. Similarly, I think that when MI6 impound computers from Silva's headquarters later in the movie, Silva is then able to weaken MI6's defences sufficiently for him to escape the bunker isolation chamber.

So, Bond captures Silva on the island and brings him back to London then?

Yes, that's what happens. And I suspect, that him being taken into the heart of MI6, is itself a sort of Trojan horse.

That's very 'Mission Impossible 3' and very, very 'Dark Knight'.

[Shrublands]

Much is made in the film about the ‘airport like security’ at Mallory’s building. There are two scenes where M has to go through metal detectors etc and hand over anything that could be used as a weapon. Then, all the troubles at MI6 result in an inquiry, which will be held at Mallory’s office.

It’s just struck me that this could all be a ploy to get all the top level SIS members and government ministers responsible for security together. They’d then be without the usual armed bodyguards in a confined and pre-designated place.

Silva has been placed in an isolation chamber in the underground bunker. He seems confident that he can get out and I suspect that he has a map of the London catacombs, Tube system, service tunnels and other underground passageways that can take him to inside Mallory’s building.

I think this is what it’s all really been about. The security leaks and the theft of the flash drive are part of a game that will result in the inquiry being called at Mallory’s office and Silva being confined at the MI6 bunker. Then the real plan can spring into action.

Do you see what I mean?

[univex]

Yes I do. Very Joker of him I must say. Nonetheless, getting all the big names in one room was done in The Godfather 3 as well, so no beef there. Now, Why? would be the next question, right? Why would Silva want to kill all the big shots?

[Shrublands]

I'm very suspicious of Mallory (as I said above). Are the inquiry members a whole group of people he needs out of the way?
Perhaps he has others on his payroll who are ready to take their place or he’s covering-up something he’s been working on.
This needs more thought.

[univex]

Yes, but let´s not forget that Mallory is being touted as the new M. Is this his way to rise to the power? Will we be left with an evil M by the end of SF? Oh, just remembered Ralph said, in an interview, that his evil days are over. Was this missdirection? So many questions...

[Shrublands]

Yes, but let´s not forget that Mallory is being touted as the new M. Is this his way to rise to the power? Will we be left with an evil M by the end of SF? Oh, just remembered Ralph said, in an interview, that his evil days are over. Was this missdirection? So many questions...

I think the whole Fennes is the ‘new M’ thing is misdirection. The report that that all stems from went on about an 'insider' telling them that Dench-M is forced to train her replacement in the film. We now have good reason to think that does not happen. In fact, I’m certain it does not, it just does not fit in with the order of things that have come to light. Also, I can’t see where him becoming M would fit in at all.

[univex]

Yes, but let´s not forget that Mallory is being touted as the new M. Is this his way to rise to the power? Will we be left with an evil M by the end of SF? Oh, just remembered Ralph said, in an interview, that his evil days are over. Was this missdirection? So many questions...

I think the whole Fennes is the ‘new M’ thing is misdirection. The report that that all stems from went on about an 'insider' telling them that Dench-M is forced to train her replacement in the film. We now have good reason to think that does not happen. In fact, I’m certain it does not, it just does not fit in with the order of things that have come to light. Also, I can’t see where him becoming M would fit in at all.

Quite right. The training bit gives it all away. Having a bad seed in the government, such as Mallory, would also explain how Silva gets his hands on tactical equipment such as a big helicopter and a special forces unit. Also, the box at the end could very well be incriminating evidence to put Mallory away.

[Shrublands]

Yes, I think the box has information about Mallory and his plan.

If M dies (and I’m fairly certain she does) it’s in the penultimate scene. With only the Whitehall rooftop scene left. The motivation to get whoever was responsible, would be a hell of a wasted opportunity for the writers if it was all down to Silva, who is already dead by this stage.
This is all leading me to think it’s Mallory, and Bond 24 will concern itself with that.

[univex]

That would be a shame, IMO. I would love it if they kept SF as one film without any continuity. But I do agree with all you´re saying. Seems to be the most probable thing to happen.

[PPK_19]

That would be a shame, IMO. I would love it if they kept SF as one film without any continuity.

Agreed. I want some fun, jaunty stand-alone Bond films after this. As much as i love the Craig era and shift in tone, it'd be nice if we got away from plots surrounding M.
I'm glad they're killing off this iteration of M and going for a new one, but they should have done with it after SF and get on with show.

[univex]

Unless it´s ALL missdirection and, at the end, Bond finds out Mallory is a member of Quantum and that bringing down M and infiltrating the secret services was just a part of the tentacle from the octopode Bond started wrestling in CR. Farfetched and contrary to what EON as said? Yes. But what have we got to do besides speculating? The 50th anniversary bandwagon is so slow these days... We really need that 3m trailer online.

[Shrublands]

I think if done well, Skyfall could still feel like a standalone film, even with an evil mastermind that is perused into Bond 24.

I think the key will be in how satisfying the climax is. With Silva defeated, Skyfall Lodge in flames and M’s death, (not to mention the talent bringing it all to the screen) it should be one to remember.

[univex]

Yep, the set up in CR worked because it was satisfying - the gunshot in the knee and "the line" being delivered. I still say the last shot will be Bond on the roof. How can they top that?

[S K Y F A L L]

When is Silva in the underground bunker?

EDIT

Oh ya, that's right just before he escapes, like in that photo we seen of him dressed as a Police Officer.

[S K Y F A L L]

JAMES BOND WILL RETURN IN 100 DAYS !!!

[# 11]

Why should they cut scenes 173+174? They're pretty important for us bondians, I guess.

[Vauxhall]

Why should they cut scenes 173+174? They're pretty important for us bondians, I guess.

What do we know about scenes 173 and 174?