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[seawolfnyy]

I loved Skyfall but I wish they had stayed with all Fleming titles for Craig's era.

What would they have called Skyfall though if they had used a Fleming title? The Property of a Lady maybe, but that's a bit of a stretch. I don't think a Fleming title really could've worked for it.

[Saron Bamedi]

I'm not sure why there is such a clamour for the use of Fleming titles for future Bond movies. As far as I can tell we are left with a hand full of short story titles and none of which I would feel comfortable with in being used as titles. The Property Of A Lady at a push maybe but even then an element of that was used previously in Octopussy. Risico would possibly be acceptable as a character name. The Hildebrand Rarity, maybe as a plot device of some sort, but as a title, no thanks. 007 In New York just sounds naff and somewhat cartoonish.

i'm happy with the producers/writers capability in thinking up new and original titles. Skyfall to me was pretty much as Bondian a title as any other and a great choice.

[Hockey Mask]

 

I loved Skyfall but I wish they had stayed with all Fleming titles for Craig's era.

What would they have called Skyfall though if they had used a Fleming title? The Property of a Lady maybe, but that's a bit of a stretch. I don't think a Fleming title really could've worked for it.

 

I think The Property of a Lady would have been a great title since the movie was M centric.

[DamnCoffee]

With the 'Property' being the bulldog of course.

[seawolfnyy]

I dunno, I like Skyfall. I didn't at first, but it grew on me and has become my favorite non-Fleming title at least. I do think it's better than some of Flemings titles: Quantum of Solace, Octopussy, From A View to a Kill, 007 in New York.

[thecasinoroyale]

I don't think any of the Fleming titles will be good to use now for Craig's films, or future ones, as they're a little too surreal for a major film title.

 

'Risico' could work if it linked to the villains maybe or something... but '007 In New York', 'The Property Of A Lady', no, they're not right for a Bond film. Book, yes, film, no I don't think.

[Hockey Mask]

If they can use Quantum of Solace they surely can use Risico or Property of A Lady.

[007jamesbond]

Was there a rumour that a title was called "Blood on my hand" for Bond 22? 

[The Shark]

Sounds too much like BLOOD STONE.

[Pussfeller]

How's about

 

UNIVERSAL EXPORTS

 

or just

 

UNIVEX

[Walecs]

James Bond: From Ornithology To Espionage

On Quantum's Secret Service
For Your Ice Only

A Martini To A Kill

From Quantum with Love

[Pussfeller]

Never Say Her Majesty's From Russia 

[sharpshooter]

I'd like another one word title I think, just like how Thunderball followed Goldfinger. But as long as it sounds good and fits the plot, I'll be happy.

[seawolfnyy]

Sounds too much like BLOOD STONE.

But don't forget, QoS (at that specific time just Bond 22) was before Blood Stone.

[S K Y F A L L]

How's about

 

UNIVERSAL EXPORTS

 

or just

 

UNIVEX

I really like it, send it to EON.

[Professor Pi]

 

 

I loved Skyfall but I wish they had stayed with all Fleming titles for Craig's era.

What would they have called Skyfall though if they had used a Fleming title? The Property of a Lady maybe, but that's a bit of a stretch. I don't think a Fleming title really could've worked for it.

 

I think The Property of a Lady would have been a great title since the movie was M centric.

 

 

I hadn't thought about that title being used for Skyfall.  There is another CBn thread outlining how this title could have worked for QoS with Vesper's necklace being the property, as well as M's development of Bond as an agent.  Its use in Octopussy won't negate it from being a title one day (witness The World Is Not Enough from OHMSS), though the writers' ability to come up with better titles might. Still, I'd rather see Shatterhand, Shamelady, or even Shaken Not Stirred as future titles.

Edited by Professor Pi, 20 January 2013 - 08:49 PM.

[Walecs]

I see Shaken Not Stirred as a weak title, for the simple fact it's a catch phrase. However, if somehow Vodka Martinis were really important in the plot, or anyway the title indicated something more than simply a way of preparing cocktails... well, in that case I would welcome it as a title.

[ChrissBond007]

 

 

 

I loved Skyfall but I wish they had stayed with all Fleming titles for Craig's era.

What would they have called Skyfall though if they had used a Fleming title? The Property of a Lady maybe, but that's a bit of a stretch. I don't think a Fleming title really could've worked for it.

 

I think The Property of a Lady would have been a great title since the movie was M centric.

 

 

I hadn't thought about that title being used for Skyfall.  There is another CBn thread outlining how this title could have worked for QoS with Vesper's necklace being the property, as well as M's development of Bond as an agent.  Its use in Octopussy won't negate it from being a title one day (witness The World Is Not Enough from OHMSS), though the writers' ability to come up with better titles might. Still, I'd rather see Shatterhand, Shamelady, or even Shaken Not Stirred as future titles.

 

 

I don't think ''The Property of a Lady'' in Octopussy is comparable to ''The World Is Not Enough'' in OHMSS. ''The World Is Not Enough'' has more to do with Bond himself, it's his family motto as was mentoined in OHMSS and TWINE. ''The Property of a Lady'' referred to a Faberge egg both in the short story and the adaption in Octopussy and they obviously aren't going to use a Faberge egg in the plot again. 

 

I would love to see it as a title though. It's perfect for a Bondmovie. 

Edited by ChrissBond007, 21 January 2013 - 03:29 PM.

[Professor Pi]

After I posted that, I noticed "The World Is Not Enough" is also a chapter title in Raymond Benson's The Facts of Death, a year before TWINE was released.

[AMC Hornet]

After I posted that, I noticed "The World Is Not Enough" is also a chapter title in Raymond Benson's The Facts of Death, a year before TWINE was released.

That's the title Benson wanted for the book, but he was over-ruled by IFP.

 

Frankly, I think the title "The Facts of Death" is better than the story itself.

 

I don't understand why so many people are hot for RISICO - it doesn't mean anything, it's just "risk" with a bad Italian accent. Even making it a character's name is no improvement. Unless it's a new name for QUANTUM?

 

The Resource Isolating Syndicate for Instigating Commercial Overthrow

 

The Property of a Lady is really the only viable title left - it can mean whatever the screenwriters want it to mean. And just because the phrase was already used in Octopussy, well..."The World is Not Enough" was already used in OHMSS and it still made a killer title 30 years on.

 

Howzabout:

 

MOONSHADOW

 

(Although Cat Stevens might insist on providing the theme song.)

[echo]

I'm not sure why there is such a clamour for the use of Fleming titles for future Bond movies. As far as I can tell we are left with a hand full of short story titles and none of which I would feel comfortable with in being used as titles. The Property Of A Lady at a push maybe but even then an element of that was used previously in Octopussy. Risico would possibly be acceptable as a character name. The Hildebrand Rarity, maybe as a plot device of some sort, but as a title, no thanks. 007 In New York just sounds naff and somewhat cartoonish.

i'm happy with the producers/writers capability in thinking up new and original titles. Skyfall to me was pretty much as Bondian a title as any other and a great choice.

 

Risico could be anything, like the name of an operation (shades of Thunderball), or a character; it's nicely vague.  Definitely will be a title someday.

 

I'd bet The Property of a Lady was in the running for what became Quantum of Solace.  Clearly, they wanted to use Fleming in 2008.  Perhaps if Vesper's necklace had been featured more...  Better than even chance that it becomes a title someday.

 

007 in New York might work if the inciting event is in New York...but it will be an awkward credit sequence: Daniel Craig is Ian Fleming's James Bond IN 007 IN New York.  Unlikely to become a title.

 

The Hildebrand Rarity.  Wow, that's a mouthful.  Highly unlikely to become a title.

Edited by echo, 23 January 2013 - 03:37 AM.

[Walecs]

It's a shame none of you like The Hildebrand Rarity, I like it a lot.

[AMC Hornet]

So would Robert Ludlum.

[Leon]

I find the idea of scraping the barrel for scraps of Fleming for titles and such is probably a creative mistake. If they decided, right, all these fans have been crying out for these titles to be used for ages, best please them.. then they have to take their pick of these titles and start shoehorning a story around the title to have the title work with this new Bond film that hasn't been written yet. I just think it's a far better practice to sit down with a clear mind, get into the Fleming spirit and start creating an exciting and interesting James Bond story, a good spy story as well as action film that gets involved and isn't just all for show and forcing in obligatory things, If you do that the title will appear within the story, and if the actual writing is great the title it offers up will be great too as a by-product.

I think these titles are nice chapter or short story titles, as Fleming meant them to be, but they don't quite have the punch and flair of a good full on Bond title. I bet you anything that if there had never existed a Bond title called 'Goldfinger', and then the next film now was announced to be called 'Goldfinger', fans would be up in arms or laughing at it.. 'Gold..finger?! Haha, what a *stupid* Bond title.. is that going to be the villains obligatory quirk, he has a finger made of gold??', and such.

'Thunder...BALL?! Hahahaha!'

 

We'll never be able to find out though!

[Trevelyan 006]

I've loved nearly all the one-word titles that have been used thus far. With that said, I'd like for the producers to move away from that

the next time around and really deliver another longer title. As in, the phrase category.

 

In company with; The World Is Not Enough, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, The Spy Who Loved Me, From Russia With Love, etc.

 

Lastly, they must continue the trend of mystique and mystery that all of the titles (especially Fleming's originals) entail. 

[Professor Pi]

'Thunder...BALL?! Hahahaha!'

 

 

You've made me ponder if this was Fleming's response to 'lightning rod.'!?

[seawolfnyy]

Well, let me just say, if the producers could get away with Octopussy, they can get away with pretty much anything.

[Hockey Mask]

Well, let me just say, if the producers could get away with Octopussy, they can get away with pretty much anything.

[Leon]

Exactly my point - the title isn't something to be over-analyzed and decided before the story has been created. It's about the whole creation and the feel.

[AMC Hornet]

They could go ahead and call the next one 'Bond 24' and we'd still all go and see it.