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[S K Y F A L L]

Ooops, must have been confused about it. Yes it would have been before M's time wouldn't it.... Back to the drawing board I guess.

[thecasinoroyale]

Lends more nods to the title of 'Skyfall' if it links to bombs being dropped on Hiroshima...falling out of the sky, and that 'operation' led to...something else dramatic and exciting?!

[Shrublands]

Lends more nods to the title of 'Skyfall' if it links to bombs being dropped on Hiroshima...falling out of the sky, and that 'operation' led to...something else dramatic and exciting?!

A real-life nuclear holocaust could be described as “dramatic” I suppose, but “exciting”...?
I don’t know what you’re suggesting here - That the secret from M’s past is the bombing of Hiroshima? You do know that that happened 67 years ago?

[thecasinoroyale]

No, I meant not in terms of the holocaust, or M is linked to Hiroshima, I meant maybe as a result of that, the politics / governments etc involved many years later, this could be something that the Secret Service or M has knowledge about?


You know, the more I write that, the less it does make sense. Scratch that...reverse it...ok, I was looking too much into the actual words of the title!

[S K Y F A L L]

Ok so Hashina Island has been uninhabited since 1974 after petroleum replaced coal, and the mines were closed. So its probably simply a place for Silva to hide out and it may not even be Hashina Island right, but something like it.

I still think this is my best guess and it connects most the characters I feel. I'm starting to wonder what Helen McCrory's role will be and what connects her to the plot. Anyway I just didn't feel I had enough feedback yet to completely discredit it, so please try and prove me wrong.

We all know that Ian Fleming created "Operation Golden Eye" in WW2 and named his estate in Jamaica "Goldeneye."
Perhaps, M and Kincade like Fleming created Operation SkyFall (OSF) and named it after Bonds parents estate because OSF involved recruiting orphans who are in service, Bond being in the Navy at the time. Bond's family estate was erased from the records by M and Kincade so that Bond has no ties to anything but his duty, although Kincade secretly confiscates it. Silva is chosen as a recruit but after learning of OSF he attempt's to escape and is arrested. When Silva escapes he murders the rest of the OSF agents in MI6 who helped arrested him, then goes after M and maybe even Kincade?

[Vauxhall]

Helen McCrory's character is a British MP, and extremely likely to be a vocal member of the Board of Inquiry who M faces.

[Shrublands]

I find this board of inquiry very interesting. I get the impression that MI6 has done something that is being investigated and that this is very important to the story.
I would think Mallory is involved – a board of inquiry is a way in which a person who is subordinate to M (i.e. in their day to day job) becomes someone she has to answer to when they are sitting on this investigating committee. When the inquiry is over, they would return to their normal position and thus promotion to M would be just that, a promotion.

I'd found it difficult to understand how someone with power over M would be made M (a demotion) but this sort of thing would explain it.

(if indeed that’s what happens).

[Royal Dalton]

I find this board of inquiry very interesting. I get the impression that MI6 has done something that is being investigated and that this is very important to the story.

The House of Commons inquiry is looking into the attack on MI6, isn't it? I should think M is found to be negligent in some way, and Mallory is put in in her place.

[Shrublands]

I find this board of inquiry very interesting. I get the impression that MI6 has done something that is being investigated and that this is very important to the story.

The House of Commons inquiry is looking into the attack on MI6, isn't it? I should think M is found to be negligent in some way, and Mallory is put in in her place.

I don’t know about them investigating the attack on MI6, M seems to be called into see them before the bomb blast, which happens on her way back, from what I can tell.
Yes, I think they may well conclude that M should be replaced with Mallory as M, and somewhat dubiously, he is part of the inquiry that decided that.
If he is the new M, a suspect there will be a very different relationship with Bond -With Mallory/M being a Machiavellian character with unclear agendas and dark strategies. That could be rather good, I think.

[AMC Hornet]

Or maybe - just maybe - Mallory will stay in his bleedin' office and get on with running MI6 instead of following Bond into the field and upstaging him at every opportunity.

Is Ralph Fiennes as big a casting coup as was Dame Judi? I hope not (he didn't seem to be injected into additional scenes in the Harry Potter series).

He may also turn out to be a wrong 'un and M will be recast in #24.

[The Shark]

We all know that Ian Fleming created "Operation Golden Eye" in WW2 and named his estate in Jamaica "Goldeneye."
Perhaps, M and Kincade like Fleming created Operation SkyFall (OSF) and named it after Bonds parents estate because OSF involved recruiting orphans who are in service, Bond being in the Navy at the time. Bond's family estate was erased from the records by M and Kincade so that Bond has no ties to anything but his duty, although Kincade secretly confiscates it. Silva is chosen as a recruit but after learning of OSF he attempt's to escape and is arrested. When Silva escapes he murders the rest of the OSF agents in MI6 who helped arrested him, then goes after M and maybe even Kincade?

You just ripped off that idea from Captain Tightpants. At least give credit where credit's due.

[Royal Dalton]

He may also turn out to be a wrong 'un and M will be recast in #24.

Yeah, you never know.

Mallory seems to be quite an interesting character, anyway. He's obviously scheming away to get M's job (undermining her in front of this committee, etc). Maybe even pointing the finger at her after the attack on MI6, if there's some suspicion that it was an inside job.

[Pussfeller]

I hope he doesn't turn out to be a total villain, but a ruthless careerist would make an interesting foil to Bond. It would be different from Dench's M, but also very different from the Lee/Brown crusty old admiral character.

[JCRendle]

If they return M's role to that of old, they could reuse Fiennes without much conflict with any films he will be shooting around the times of Bond 24/25 etc, as he could just come in for a day or twos shooting for a desk bound scene and be done.

[AMC Hornet]

If they return M's role to that of old, they could reuse Fiennes without much conflict with any films he will be shooting around the times of Bond 24/25 etc, as he could just come in for a day or twos shooting for a desk bound scene and be done.

Wot I said.

[S K Y F A L L]

We all know that Ian Fleming created "Operation Golden Eye" in WW2 and named his estate in Jamaica "Goldeneye."
Perhaps, M and Kincade like Fleming created Operation SkyFall (OSF) and named it after Bonds parents estate because OSF involved recruiting orphans who are in service, Bond being in the Navy at the time. Bond's family estate was erased from the records by M and Kincade so that Bond has no ties to anything but his duty, although Kincade secretly confiscates it. Silva is chosen as a recruit but after learning of OSF he attempt's to escape and is arrested. When Silva escapes he murders the rest of the OSF agents in MI6 who helped arrested him, then goes after M and maybe even Kincade?

You just ripped off that idea from Captain Tightpants. At least give credit where credit's due.

Sorry but you are mistaken. I did not. After looking though his posts on the first 14 pages he only makes about 2 plot suggestions. [See posts 231(page 8) & 255 (page 9)]. Nothing like mine. So If you could show me the post where he claims this then I would gladly give him credit.

Bloke named Elipsis down at Mi6 had a brilliant idea about the 8 coffins in the Old Naval College. What if the attack on Mi6 is the assassination of all 00s, excluding 007 of course. You know, 001, 002, 003, 004, 005, 006, 008 and 009. Would account for all coffins and M attending the funeral. I for one find the idea plausible and not unlike the script for Johnny English, also written by P&W, as mentioned by another bloke named karatemachan37. Sorry for the theft on this, but I thought it was so brilliant it was worth mentioning. It could be a bit like TLD´s Smiert Spionem, only directed at the 00 division.

Also, many actors that have been cast recently as Mi6 operatives or agents do look like they could be 00s. It would be an interesting premisse wouldn´t it? Elaborate away my friends.

Sounds very plausible to me.

Edited by S K Y F A L L, 09 May 2012 - 09:32 PM.

[Vauxhall]

Despite giving her a dressing down earlier in the movie, I get the impression that Mallory will end up standing up for M by the later portions of SKYFALL. The image we have of him in the movie is firing a gun inside a panelled room (presumably the committee room when Silva targets M).

[007jamesbond]

IMO whatever M past is I believed that it wont get into too much detail.......maybe a mention of something that M did and it has repeated again from back then to now. I think people think she has a bigger role than we think but it seems that she is just in meeting/car and that about it

[DamnCoffee]

Despite giving her a dressing down earlier in the movie, I get the impression that Mallory will end up standing up for M by the later portions of SKYFALL. The image we have of him in the movie is firing a gun inside a panelled room (presumably the committee room when Silva targets M).

Yes this seems like the best idea. Originally I thought that the shots of Bond and Fiennes holding up their guns, was from the Lodge sequence. Going by Bonds attire though, I think this might be from inside Whitehall. So Silva somehow bursts in and tries to kill her, Bond probably drags her to the floor to avoid harm, fires off a few rounds at him, covered by Mallory, then makes sure M and Tanner get safely out the building before giving chase. Actually wait, does this make sense? I'm sure there video of ages ago inolved Bond running toward Whitehall, and not away from it.

[007jamesbond]

I would love if the end there is some kind of epligoue that Bond meets the new M in a disclosed location and talks about the previous M and his report and sent him off to a new mission (too much Batman begin like)

[Royal Dalton]

Despite giving her a dressing down earlier in the movie, I get the impression that Mallory will end up standing up for M by the later portions of SKYFALL. The image we have of him in the movie is firing a gun inside a panelled room (presumably the committee room when Silva targets M).

Yes this seems like the best idea. Originally I thought that the shots of Bond and Fiennes holding up their guns, was from the Lodge sequence. Going by Bonds attire though, I think this might be from inside Whitehall. So Silva somehow bursts in and tries to kill her, Bond probably drags her to the floor to avoid harm, fires off a few rounds at him, covered by Mallory, then makes sure M and Tanner get safely out the building before giving chase. Actually wait, does this make sense? I'm sure there video of ages ago inolved Bond running toward Whitehall, and not away from it.

You're right that it's in Whitehall. But I think it comes after the train sequence. Bond enters the building via a door on the roof and escapes with M in the Jag.

[S K Y F A L L]

I would love if the end there is some kind of epligoue that Bond meets the new M in a disclosed location and talks about the previous M and his report and sent him off to a new mission (too much Batman begin like)

An ending something like in TSWLM/MR/FYEO or CR with just a phone call, I wouldn't mind seeing. In CR M and Bond don't even mention anything about Mr. White, did they? Though it might end on a more emotional note possibly, right?

Despite giving her a dressing down earlier in the movie, I get the impression that Mallory will end up standing up for M by the later portions of SKYFALL. The image we have of him in the movie is firing a gun inside a panelled room (presumably the committee room when Silva targets M).

Yes this seems like the best idea. Originally I thought that the shots of Bond and Fiennes holding up their guns, was from the Lodge sequence. Going by Bonds attire though, I think this might be from inside Whitehall. So Silva somehow bursts in and tries to kill her, Bond probably drags her to the floor to avoid harm, fires off a few rounds at him, covered by Mallory, then makes sure M and Tanner get safely out the building before giving chase. Actually wait, does this make sense? I'm sure there video of ages ago inolved Bond running toward Whitehall, and not away from it.

You're right that it's in Whitehall. But I think it comes after the train sequence. Bond enters the building via a door on the roof and escapes with M in the Jag.

This sounds exciting! So will the film could start something like; Turkey, PTS, unshaven Bond, up until the train scene and then inside Whitehall?

Edited by S K Y F A L L, 10 May 2012 - 04:57 AM.

[Vauxhall]

Despite giving her a dressing down earlier in the movie, I get the impression that Mallory will end up standing up for M by the later portions of SKYFALL. The image we have of him in the movie is firing a gun inside a panelled room (presumably the committee room when Silva targets M).

Yes this seems like the best idea. Originally I thought that the shots of Bond and Fiennes holding up their guns, was from the Lodge sequence. Going by Bonds attire though, I think this might be from inside Whitehall. So Silva somehow bursts in and tries to kill her, Bond probably drags her to the floor to avoid harm, fires off a few rounds at him, covered by Mallory, then makes sure M and Tanner get safely out the building before giving chase. Actually wait, does this make sense? I'm sure there video of ages ago inolved Bond running toward Whitehall, and not away from it.

You're right that it's in Whitehall. But I think it comes after the train sequence. Bond enters the building via a door on the roof and escapes with M in the Jag.

This sounds exciting! So will the film could start something like; Turkey, PTS, unshaven Bond, up until the train scene and then inside Whitehall?

The underground scenes are a bit later on. There's a good summary of the suspected chronology in The Structure of Skyfall thread.

[Shrublands]

I cannot figure out what Silva is up to. It involves computers; I think that Empire are right about that.
He seems hell bent on killing M – Why? I can imagine it being revenge or something like that, but with so much of the film (and crucially the climax) devoted to him getting to her, it must me more central to his larger plan than vengeance over something from the past.

Any ideas?

[JCRendle]

Maybe he's a fan of the old Bond films, and hates the fact that there's a female M...


Just putting it out there.

[Shrublands]

Maybe he's a fan of the old Bond films, and hates the fact that there's a female M...


Just putting it out there.

Him being a member of a fan forum has flashed across my mind.

[JCRendle]

Him being a member of a fan forum has flashed across my mind.

And I thought I was so careful...

[univex]

Him being a member of a fan forum has flashed across my mind.

And I thought I was so careful...

Hey, I´m the Azorean here

[AMC Hornet]

I cannot figure out what Silva is up to. It involves computers; I think that Empire are right about that.
He seems hell bent on killing M – Why? I can imagine it being revenge or something like that, but with so much of the film (and crucially the climax) devoted to him getting to her, it must me more central to his larger plan than vengeance over something from the past.

Any ideas?

Perhaps he wants to silence her before she figures out who he is and what he's up to, and spills the beans to anyone about SKYFALL, whatever it is.

[Dustin]

Maybe Silva is an illegitimate member of the Royal family and M's the only person able to prove it. Silva doesn't want to kill her, he wants her to confess how she's stolen him from his cot at Buckingham.