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[Royal Dalton]

Well, nobody's indispensable (see also: Kleinman, Daniel). Strange that they've left Arnold dangling like this, though.

[Skudor]

It seems they are in talks with one or more other composers and therefore haven't confirmed anything with Arnold.

I'd be very happy with someone new - it's a risk, but I think it's worth it as Arnold's scores have become predictable and the weak parts outweigh his occasional better passages. None of the past composers have been truly terrible - so I'm sure they'll chose well this time.

[BoogieBond]

I would not mind, if Arnold does not return, and call it a very uninspired oldie choice. But if John Williams(although 80) could compose Skyfall as a one off, I would not be unhappy at that, at all. Crosses fingers and dreams, like when I wanted Spielberg to do a Bond movie.

Edited by BoogieBond, 24 November 2011 - 07:35 PM.

[stamper]

It's going to be Noel Gallagher doing the soundtrack. Not just the opening credits. The whole friggin' soundtrack. You read it here first.

[DamnCoffee]

It's going to be Noel Gallagher doing the soundtrack. Not just the opening credits. The whole friggin' soundtrack. You read it here first.

Ahem.

http://www.digitalsp...me-rumours.html

[stamper]

It's press control. Note he doesn't speak about the actual soundtrack just the song. Which he will write, but not perform.

[deth]

It's going to be Noel Gallagher doing the soundtrack. Not just the opening credits. The whole friggin' soundtrack. You read it here first.

Have you been on the 'sauce'? What gave you this notion?

[DamnCoffee]

It's press control. Note he doesn't speak about the actual soundtrack just the song. Which he will write, but not perform.

He doesn't know who Michael G Wilson is. So I highly doubt that.

[Janus Assassin]

I would like to see a new Bond theme and music such as what Hamlisch did in TSWLM, but going with a new composer could be risky.. just look at GoldenEye's music. Overall I wanna hear the classic roots with a modern touch.

[The Shark]

I would like to see a new Bond theme and music such as what Hamlisch did in TSWLM, but going with a new composer could be risky.. just look at GoldenEye's music.

And it paid off.

[Solex Agitator]

Who knows what the real reason for this lack of confirmation is? Has anyone considered Arnold pricing himself out of the gig? Maybe he wants a higher pay grade. Or perhaps Arnold is being a stickler about being able to compose the theme song. There are many factors to consider here.

[MattofSteel]

He specifically did not say either way. If he 100% wasn't doing it, he would have said, "I'm not doing it." It's likely an issue of workload at the moment, given his Olympic-related duties. Both sides waiting to see what kind of availability he has.

EON's invited him back 5 consecutive times for a reason. He has the closest thing to tenure one can expect, and Mendes has given us absolutely zero indication he wants to replace him with a different choice.

Can't really follow that reasoning. If EON want Arnold back they should make sure of it by contacting him early on. If Arnold doesn't hear from EON it's probably because they don't plan with him on board.

Or course, should Arnold not be on Skyfall it's certainly a break in the routine. But Barry too had to drop out for various reasons so it's not as if Arnold not doing Skyfall would necessarily mean all bridges are burned. I think a little change on the score-front could be quite refreshing.

It seems they are in talks with one or more other composers and therefore haven't confirmed anything with Arnold.

I'd be very happy with someone new - it's a risk, but I think it's worth it as Arnold's scores have become predictable and the weak parts outweigh his occasional better passages. None of the past composers have been truly terrible - so I'm sure they'll chose well this time.

But you're both on complete conjecture here. Dustin, how would you know if Arnold's "heard" from EON? I'm sure they converse on a regular basis. Absolutely nowhere have David or EON commented on their negotiations.

Similarly, Skudor, there has been zero evidence or suggestion from anything approaching a mainstream source about whether or not EON have contacted other composers - beyond fans in forums like CBN, listing their hopefuls and providing Youtube links.

I don't mean to rain on the parade. But anyone who says they know either way at this point is full of it. We know precisely nothing.

"No news to report" means something grossly different than "no chance of me doing it."

I mean, his phrasing alone suggests he's very much in the running. If there was no chance, he wouldn't have said "my involvement in Skyfall", because he would have none. He went as far as quantifying it, which is at least a sign someone in the equation wants him to do it.

[chanoch]

Hello,

David Arnold has been afforded more time with Bond than Pierce Brosnan was. Enough already.

[Skudor]

He specifically did not say either way. If he 100% wasn't doing it, he would have said, "I'm not doing it." It's likely an issue of workload at the moment, given his Olympic-related duties. Both sides waiting to see what kind of availability he has.

EON's invited him back 5 consecutive times for a reason. He has the closest thing to tenure one can expect, and Mendes has given us absolutely zero indication he wants to replace him with a different choice.

Can't really follow that reasoning. If EON want Arnold back they should make sure of it by contacting him early on. If Arnold doesn't hear from EON it's probably because they don't plan with him on board.

Or course, should Arnold not be on Skyfall it's certainly a break in the routine. But Barry too had to drop out for various reasons so it's not as if Arnold not doing Skyfall would necessarily mean all bridges are burned. I think a little change on the score-front could be quite refreshing.

It seems they are in talks with one or more other composers and therefore haven't confirmed anything with Arnold.

I'd be very happy with someone new - it's a risk, but I think it's worth it as Arnold's scores have become predictable and the weak parts outweigh his occasional better passages. None of the past composers have been truly terrible - so I'm sure they'll chose well this time.

But you're both on complete conjecture here. Dustin, how would you know if Arnold's "heard" from EON? I'm sure they converse on a regular basis. Absolutely nowhere have David or EON commented on their negotiations.

Similarly, Skudor, there has been zero evidence or suggestion from anything approaching a mainstream source about whether or not EON have contacted other composers - beyond fans in forums like CBN, listing their hopefuls and providing Youtube links.

I don't mean to rain on the parade. But anyone who says they know either way at this point is full of it. We know precisely nothing.

"No news to report" means something grossly different than "no chance of me doing it."

I mean, his phrasing alone suggests he's very much in the running. If there was no chance, he wouldn't have said "my involvement in Skyfall", because he would have none. He went as far as quantifying it, which is at least a sign someone in the equation wants him to do it.

ehm.... who said they know anytyhing?

I'm speculating based on what's been said. Arnold has said he hasn't heard anything. As a recurring part of production, an indispensable part of the production in fact, it seems strange that the recurring composer hasn't been confirmed. It seems like an easy decistion to make: Craig: check. Dench: check. Arnold: check (or not).

Hence it seems likely that they are looking elsewhere (whether talking to others or or talking about others...). It could be that he simply asked for too much and they are playing hard ball... but it's equally possible that Mendes has other preferences but that a decision has yet to be made (this is known as speculation - not hard claims of any inside knowledge or possession of a crystal ball). Or they may just decide on bringing Arnold back (boring).

Take your time and read a bit closer before accusing people of being "full of it" (I presume full of something nasty, rather then something nice and sweet?)...

[SecretAgentFan]

It will all depend on the movie. If they feel it demands a different voice then Arnold is out. If the think that a familiar (and proven) composer is right for it, then Arnold will be asked back.

[Orion]

The delay in any confirmation either way is most likely Arnold and EON trying to figure out if he can do it along with his Olympic duties, There is going to be at least a little bit of overlap in the schedules.

[MattofSteel]

ehm.... who said they know anytyhing?

I'm speculating based on what's been said. Arnold has said he hasn't heard anything. As a recurring part of production, an indispensable part of the production in fact, it seems strange that the recurring composer hasn't been confirmed. It seems like an easy decistion to make: Craig: check. Dench: check. Arnold: check (or not).

Hence it seems likely that they are looking elsewhere (whether talking to others or or talking about others...). It could be that he simply asked for too much and they are playing hard ball... but it's equally possible that Mendes has other preferences but that a decision has yet to be made (this is known as speculation - not hard claims of any inside knowledge or possession of a crystal ball). Or they may just decide on bringing Arnold back (boring).

Take your time and read a bit closer before accusing people of being "full of it" (I presume full of something nasty, rather then something nice and sweet?)...

I wasn't implying you directly, Skudor - my apologies if it came out that way. I am simply saying no one knows, and no one can make a legitimate argument for either side at this point. We're completely in the dark on the issue, and any speculations (he's doing it, he's not, they've contacted others, they're in discussions) are nothing more than that - speculation. It's fun to discuss, but useless for us to draw any sort of conclusion at the moment.

Craig and Dench being confirmed have nothing to do with it. They're crucial to get filming going on a timeline, the composer is not. Arnold can go to work in March, and still make the release (ideally though, I'm sure he prefers more time).

[Skudor]

ehm.... who said they know anytyhing?

I'm speculating based on what's been said. Arnold has said he hasn't heard anything. As a recurring part of production, an indispensable part of the production in fact, it seems strange that the recurring composer hasn't been confirmed. It seems like an easy decistion to make: Craig: check. Dench: check. Arnold: check (or not).

Hence it seems likely that they are looking elsewhere (whether talking to others or or talking about others...). It could be that he simply asked for too much and they are playing hard ball... but it's equally possible that Mendes has other preferences but that a decision has yet to be made (this is known as speculation - not hard claims of any inside knowledge or possession of a crystal ball). Or they may just decide on bringing Arnold back (boring).

Take your time and read a bit closer before accusing people of being "full of it" (I presume full of something nasty, rather then something nice and sweet?)...

I wasn't implying you directly, Skudor - my apologies if it came out that way. I am simply saying no one knows, and no one can make a legitimate argument for either side at this point. We're completely in the dark on the issue, and any speculations (he's doing it, he's not, they've contacted others, they're in discussions) are nothing more than that - speculation. It's fun to discuss, but useless for us to draw any sort of conclusion at the moment.

Craig and Dench being confirmed have nothing to do with it. They're crucial to get filming going on a timeline, the composer is not. Arnold can go to work in March, and still make the release (ideally though, I'm sure he prefers more time).

No worries and fair points - and anything is speculation at this point.

The point with Dench and Craig is that they are the obvious continuation; Arnold is equally obvious, if in a different way. I do think that if they wanted him they'd have him signed up now - I just don't buy the Olympics bit potentially clashing, the guy would have a year to come up with themes to score the film around. But anything is possible - certainly no one has said that he isn't coming back (but one can hope).

[MattofSteel]

I'd agree, I'm certain the issue doesn't sit well with Mike & Babs. He wouldn't have come back 5 times if they (and many others) didn't love what he brought to it, and with the anniversary film carrying more than a quantum of importance and ceremony, you'd have to think they'd want him locked up ASAP.

Who knows. I'm less attached to Arnold himself, personally, for the 50th than I am to the idea of a CR-like, classical, lush, and melodically driven Bond score with plenty of wailing brass over the action.

[Gt Munn]

I'd agree, I'm certain the issue doesn't sit well with Mike & Babs. He wouldn't have come back 5 times if they (and many others) didn't love what he brought to it, and with the anniversary film carrying more than a quantum of importance and ceremony, you'd have to think they'd want him locked up ASAP.

Who knows. I'm less attached to Arnold himself, personally, for the 50th than I am to the idea of a CR-like, classical, lush, and melodically driven Bond score with plenty of wailing brass over the action.

My personal preference, I'd love a merger of the wailing brass and jazz feel from TND with the classy fell of CR.

I also vote to have a much stronger Bond theme presence, not as strong as TND (I loved the presence of it in that film, but Craig's Bond definitely calls for something less), but not as embedded into the score as CR and QoS. At just one point the full on brass and/or guitar theme need to show up at an appropriate moment.


Edited:

I'm thankful that Arnold is keeping us updated via his Twitter feed. I read this morning on how there were no current updates. Haha, later in the day though, he announced he had a great meeting regarding something great, and was sure to put non J. Bond related in parenthesis. That could have been suspenseful.

Edited by Gt Munn, 25 November 2011 - 10:48 PM.

[The Shark]

Who knows. I'm less attached to Arnold himself, personally, for the 50th than I am to the idea of a CR-like, classical, lush, and melodically driven Bond score with plenty of wailing brass over the action.

In other words: a boring, pussyfooting, greatest hits collection? The Classic FM of Bond scores? I'd rather hear something in the vein of QOS. Retro-cool but still pushing the boundaries. Something compact that doesn't overstay its welcome on screen on the album.

Just because it's the 50th anniversary, it doesn't mean it has to be another bloody death march down memory lane.

Miami International and The Fall Of A House In Venice are about as melodically driven as the bombing of Baghdad.

[MattofSteel]

Those 'other words' must certainly be ones you've put in my mouth, given that I don't recall mentioning 'boring', 'pussyfooting', 'greatest hits', or 'Classic FM'.

We get it, Shark. You don't need to remind us - again - how much you hate him.

[DominicGreene]

What about Grant Kirkhope? He did the music for the goldeneye n64 game, +many other brilliant soundtracks,





I know they are electronic, but imagine what this guy can do if he had a whole orchestra.

[The Shark]

We get it, Shark. You don't need to remind us - again - how much you hate him.

I don't hate Arnold; I love his score for QOS. I just hate what he did for CR.

[MattofSteel]

Ha, interesting suggestion DominicGreene - those two game scores are two of my all time favourites.

[Peckinpah1976]

I would like to see a new Bond theme and music such as what Hamlisch did in TSWLM, but going with a new composer could be risky.. just look at GoldenEye's music.

And it paid off.

Yup, still .

Next!

[DominicGreene]

Ha, interesting suggestion DominicGreene - those two game scores are two of my all time favourites.

Interesting, me too. I have others, too, but these are definitely on my list

Edited by DominicGreene, 26 November 2011 - 09:12 PM.

[killkenny kid]

After the wonderful job he did with OoS, I like to see Arnold give it another go.

[The Shark]

I would like to see a new Bond theme and music such as what Hamlisch did in TSWLM, but going with a new composer could be risky.. just look at GoldenEye's music.

And it paid off.

Yup, still .

Next!

How can you call that ? It's still far more soul-stirring than anything Arnold's ever penned.

I know they are electronic, but imagine what this guy can do if he had a whole orchestra.

Writing for orchestra isn't like walking into a giant candy store. You've gotta earn it through study.

[DamnCoffee]

The GoldenEye soundtrack, is just awful.