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[gkgyver]

[Bond... Raybond]

Is this a preliminary version? I only ask because there are SFX from the film in the background. Sounds good so far.

[gkgyver]

I can only get some of that punchy brass effect when I use part of the film recording. That's why there is one or two minor rustling sounds.

That's the closest I can get.

And that's not bad considering I didn't think I could do it at all.

[Bond... Raybond]

You've done a good job. The one things that is missing from the Silva Screen recording is that punchy brass under the bond theme. How the delhi cue coming? As someone who has no musical ability, I admire that you have done something to plug the gaps in the official soundtrack releases.

On that note (pardon the pun) any chance you could try some cues from Spy Who Loved Me?

[The Shark]

Fine job once again!

A few things for improvements:

- Triangle/tambourine rhythm is wrong. Instead of two 16th notes followed by an 8th note, it's simply a pattern of an 8th note rest, followed by an 8th note. Like 'oompah oompah stick it up your jumper.'

- String motif in the first 4 bars needs more expression and harmonics, less watery, and should be doubled with bassoons.

- I'm not aware of the low Pos/Tba stabs n my rip (first 4 bars), only the strings, clarinets, bassoons, harp, bass pizz, triangle, and tambourine, I only thought they came in the recapitulation of theme at bar 26. When Jaws dives after Bond.

- All trumpets are playing the Bond fanfare melody, none are doing the quarter note figure with horns, clarinets and bassoons.

- The kick drum and low Bs in the chordal motif at bar 13 are too late. Should hit in earlier. For this I'd suggest a slight increase in tempo, or something similar. There's also too much of a gap between bar 14 and 15. Should be more like a sudden spasm.

- In bar 18, have 2 harps play the glissandi in contrary motion (one goes up while the other down), and subside too soon. I also can't hear the suspended cymbal roll.

[gkgyver]

- Triangle/tambourine rhythm is wrong. Instead of two 16th notes followed by an 8th note, it's simply a pattern of an 8th note rest, followed by an 8th note. Like 'oompah oompah stick it up your jumper.'

Hm, actually, that's what I was doing. I only recorded the tambourine, the rest is the original recording.

- String motif in the first 4 bars needs more expression and harmonics, less watery, and should be doubled with bassoons.

Again, it is doubled by bassoons
Sounds like I need to adjust the mix ...

- I'm not aware of the low Pos/Tba stabs n my rip (first 4 bars), only the strings, clarinets, bassoons, harp, bass pizz, triangle, and tambourine, I only thought they came in the recapitulation of theme at bar 26. When Jaws dives after Bond.

Need to listen again. I took them for granted lol

- In bar 18, have 2 harps play the glissandi in contrary motion (one goes up while the other down), and down subside as quickly. I also can't hear the suspended cymbal roll.

Suspended cymbal? Where?
I was already wondering why there was no cymbal or something.

[The Shark]

Suspended cymbal? Where?
I was already wondering why there was no cymbal or something.

At bar 18. Again, it could be the wind - but I pretty sure it's there.

[gkgyver]

YHow the delhi cue coming?

On that note (pardon the pun) any chance you could try some cues from Spy Who Loved Me?

Don't be hasty, young hobbit!

[The Shark]

For SPY, you're going to need a sample library that deals in cheap-sounding, dated, pørno synths, and lots of coffee. None of the original score's been released, so you'd have to produce about 30-40 minutes of music.

[gkgyver]

Hold your horses, Octopussy ain't finished

And I assume you still want that TLD cue, yes?

[The Shark]

Ja.

[mattjoes]

Great job! It may not be perfect, but the essence of the music is right there.

Something I noticed: in the phrase that begins at 0:49, the fourth note (a C) is too short. The second time said phrase is played it's the fifth note (a B ) that is short. I've got the feeling you already know this and it was a compromise you were forced to make, but I felt I should point it out, just in case.

[gkgyver]

Something I noticed: in the phrase that begins at 0:49, the fourth note (a C) is too short. The second time said phrase is played it's the fifth note (a B ) that is short. I've got the feeling you already know this and it was a compromise you were forced to make, but I felt I should point it out, just in case.

Actually, I thought it sounded great. No compromise.

I guess the tracklist for a complete Moonraker is:

1. Gunbarrel/Hijack
2. Freefall
3. Moonraker
4. Arrival At Chateau Drax
5. Enter The Centrifuge
6. Centrifuge Trainer
7. Corinne
8. A Heart Of Gold
9. Corinne Put Down
10. Venini Glass Works
11. Gondola Chase
12. Bond Smells A Rat
13. Miss Goodhead Meets Bond
14. Bond Arrives In Rio
15. Cable Car
16. Boat Chase
17. Paragliding
18. Bond Lured To Pyramid
19. Snake Fight
20. Drax Shuttle Launch
21. Flight Into Space
22. NASA Launch
23. Space Laser Battle
24. Here Is To Us
25. Attempting Re-Entry/End Titles

[The Shark]

I have to say, you need to rework your Shuttle Launch cue quite a bit.

[Leo R.]

I guess the tracklist for a complete Moonraker is:

I'd say the complete Moonraker is more along the lines of this:

1. Gunbarrel/Hijack @
2. Freefall @ #
3. Circus Jaws
4. Moonraker %
5. Château Drax #
6. Enter The Centrifuge @
7. Centrifuge %
8. Corinne (Miss Goodhead meets Bond) %
9. Corinne Put Down %
10. Venini Glass Works @
11. Gondola Chase @
12. Bond Smells A Rat %
13. Miss Goodhead Meets Bond %
14. Bond Arrives In Rio %
15. Carnival music 1
16. Carnival music 2
17. Cable Car %
18. Boat Chase %
19. Rivers and pyramids @
20. Bond lured to pyramid %
21. Snake Fight %
23. Drax Shuttle Launch @
24. Flight Into Space %
25. NASA Launch
26. Zero G
27. Space laser battle %
28. Here's to us @
29. The globes
30. Attempting re-entry
31. End titles %

% On OST Album
@ Rerecorded by Gkgyver
# Rerecorded by Nic Raine

Cues 25 and 29 are versions of Flight into space, so I'd say they're not that interesting.
The main unreleased and yet unrerecorded cues are 15, 16 and 26. (3 can be easily sourced from DVD)
I always loved the carnival music and always have thought they were by Barry, after all he composed all the source cues for DAF too. But I can understand it if you give priority to the actual dramatic film score.
I really feel cue 26, "Zero G" is still missing from your great Moonraker rerecording project. Part of it features a choir but I think you can source that from dvd. You can listen to it here, it starts at 1.36: http://www.myvideo.d...Moonraker_11_12

[The Shark]

Cues 25 and 29 are versions of Flight into space, so I'd say they're not that interesting.

25 is a foreshadowing of Space Laser Battle.

I really feel cue 26, "Zero G" is still missing from your great Moonraker rerecording project. Part of it features a choir but I think you can source that from dvd.
You can listen to it here, it starts at 1.36: http://www.myvideo.d...Moonraker_11_12

I actually starts at 1:22, when Bond sights the emergency stop lever.

[Leo R.]

25 is a foreshadowing of Space Laser Battle.

I actually starts at 1:22, when Bond sights the emergency stop lever.

Thanks for correcting me:-)

[Victor Zokas]

I guess the tracklist for a complete Moonraker is:

I'd say the complete Moonraker is more along the lines of this:

1. Gunbarrel/Hijack @
2. Freefall @ #
3. Circus Jaws
4. Moonraker %
5. Château Drax #
6. Enter The Centrifuge @
7. Centrifuge %
8. Corinne (Miss Goodhead meets Bond) %
9. Corinne Put Down %
10. Venini Glass Works @
11. Gondola Chase @
12. Bond Smells A Rat %
13. Miss Goodhead Meets Bond %
14. Bond Arrives In Rio %
15. Carnival music 1
16. Carnival music 2
17. Cable Car %
18. Boat Chase %
19. Rivers and pyramids @
20. Bond lured to pyramid %
21. Snake Fight %
23. Drax Shuttle Launch @
24. Flight Into Space %
25. NASA Launch
26. Zero G
27. Space laser battle %
28. Here's to us @
29. The globes
30. Attempting re-entry
31. End titles %

% On OST Album
@ Rerecorded by Gkgyver
# Rerecorded by Nic Raine

Isn't there another cue which is a variation of Corinne / Miss Goodhead meets Bond? Where Bond tells Corinne she has a heart of gold, this version ends with an eerie piece as we see Chang watching Bond.

[Leo R.]

Isn't there another cue which is a variation of Corinne / Miss Goodhead meets Bond? Where Bond tells Corinne she has a heart of gold, this version ends with an eerie piece as we see Chang watching Bond.

The Corinne/Goodhead theme comes around twice during the scenes at the château. The first piece is unreleased but almost identical to what's heard on the OST album, except that it's shorter. The second piece (with the "eerie" bit) IS on the album.

Check out both versions here: http://www.myvideo.d..._Moonraker_3_12
The first starts at 3.48, the second at 6.37.
(Sorry for the German dub, but it's the only version I could find online)

[Victor Zokas]

Isn't there another cue which is a variation of Corinne / Miss Goodhead meets Bond? Where Bond tells Corinne she has a heart of gold, this version ends with an eerie piece as we see Chang watching Bond.

The Corinne/Goodhead theme comes around twice during the scenes at the château. The first piece is unreleased but almost identical to what's heard on the OST album, except that it's shorter. The second piece (with the "eerie" bit) IS on the album.

Check out both versions here: http://www.myvideo.d..._Moonraker_3_12
The first starts at 3.48, the second at 6.37.
(Sorry for the German dub, but it's the only version I could find online)

Thanks for finding this Leo. It was the second piece I was thinking of. I don't remember the short piece as Bond takes the photos being on the album.
Hard to think we nearly have a complete Moonraker thanks to GK. Great stuff.

[gkgyver]

Can you watch this video?



I don't know if it's loaded properly.

[The Shark]

Sounds great. Have you got about 2=3 trombones doubling the horn line? I think the low piano needs to be brought out a tiny bit.

How about something from GOLDEN GUN? i.e. Forever Hold Your Piece.

[Leo R.]

Can you watch this video?

I don't know if it's loaded properly.

Loud and clear.
Excellent rendition.

[gkgyver]

Sounds great. Have you got about 2=3 trombones doubling the horn line? I think the low piano needs to be brought out a tiny bit.

I thought so, too.
Well, this uses part of the DVD rip, so if Barry used them, there should be trombones. But if you think they should be brough out more, I'll gladly do that.

But I'll go over some cues again anyway. I still need to correct the flute/clarinet line from Venini Glass Works, ditch the drums from the Drax Shuttle Launch etc.

How about something from GOLDEN GUN? i.e. Forever Hold Your Piece.

Frankly, I'll finish Moonraker now. The only thing left is the "Destroying the Globes" (assuming it is not tracked), and the Zero Gravity cue.

[The Shark]

Sounds great. Have you got about 2=3 trombones doubling the horn line? I think the low piano needs to be brought out a tiny bit.

I thought so, too.
Well, this uses part of the DVD rip, so if Barry used them, there should be trombones. But if you think they should be brough out more, I'll gladly do that.

But I'll go over some cues again anyway. I still need to correct the flute/clarinet line from Venini Glass Works, ditch the drums from the Drax Shuttle Launch etc.

I don't like how your Drax Shuttle Launch recreation currently sounds. Trombones are too snarling. The 8 horns, tuba, piano, basses, celli and low winds (i.e. contrabassoon, bassoon, and bass clarinet) should be brought out more. I think there's also a large/low tam-tam there too, though it's very low in the mix.

I'm also not sure if you've got the notes of the Veni Glass motif right.

Frankly, I'll finish Moonraker now. The only thing left is the "Destroying the Globes" (assuming it is not tracked), and the Zero Gravity cue.

What about the Corinne cues?

I'm fairly certain the Globes one is tracked. Probably one of the cases where Barry had already recorded the score, and they realised that the climax didn't feel quite right without music, so they tracked in an alternative take of "Flight into Space."

[gkgyver]

I'm also not sure if you've got the notes of the Veni Glass motif right.

I didn't, that's why I'm fixing it

Also, I must say that I rarely listened to the Raine recording of the Freefall music, but I did on the way home today, and could it be that his orchestration is pretty far away from the original?

[The Shark]

Also, I must say that I rarely listened to the Raine recording of the Freefall music, but I did on the way home today, and could it be that his orchestration is pretty far away from the original?

Yes. Sometimes he does get it right, which is more frequent in Volume 2, but that's mostly in the AVTAK and TLD re-recordings - the two Bond scores that he orchestrated on.

As for his freefall orchestration, the trombone's are far too loud, and there's the electric bass that's not to be found in MR. Except of course the title song and its end credits disco remix.

[Leo R.]

Tracked or not, both Corinne and The globes are similar if not identical to what's heard on the OST album.

Zero G however...

[The Shark]

Zero G however...

He's gotta prepare a women's chorus and a Moog synthesiser for that.

[gkgyver]

Don't scare me!



I'm more concerned about the xylophone.