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[zencat]

I got another goodie package from Hodder yesterday.

http://www.thebookbo...adquarters.html

[marktmurphy]

Oh they're keeping their 007 logo? Popping it on the back cover. That's good- I'm rather fond of their 007 logo.

[zencat]

Yeah, I like it too. I expect this will be the "branding" for the new series. Beats "XBond."

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[marktmurphy]

Well it's been around for a while. I've always liked it though- nicely stylish. Eon's 007 logo is great but it is slightly silly!

[Johnboy007]

Why is it that 'photoshopping' is considered the byword for lazy or inept design?

The same reasons that Auto-Tune has similar connotations in music.

[Simon]

Ok. Have to admit I cannot comment as I have never heard of Auto-Tune.

Is this as widely used as Photoshop in their respective circles? Are there any musicians here that can testify to this - I am not a musician or designer.

[Johnboy007]

Ok. Have to admit I cannot comment as I have never heard of Auto-Tune.

Is this as widely used as Photoshop in their respective circles? Are there any musicians here that can testify to this - I am not a musician or designer.

The wikipedia article (not the best source, I know) is fairly helpful. Auto-Tune.

It is the artists (or "artists") using Photoshop/Auto-Tune that's the problem. You can do fabulous things with Photoshop (anything done by Mister Asterix, for example), but often times there is a certain amount of laziness behind some of it. "I could actually draw some great looking smoke (or whatever) on the computer or I could take a picture from a Google Image Search, run it through one or two filters, plop it on a background with the title and call it a day" or "I could actually have singing ability and hit this note, or I could just sing whatever note and have the computer fix it later."*

*I promise I am not a luddite.

[Simon]

Understood.

But from what you say, the tool is capable of marvellous results. I didn't know the Mr * work was produced with such and so this would seem to bear out my (and our) statement that the tool is, for want of a better word, an industry standard.

That there are lazy things done with Photoshop does Not make it a given that hard and successful work is done with every other design tool out there. I am aware by persistently arguing this case that it could be questioned whether I am an agent for said product. I am not, I assure you. I am just sitting on a fence wondering how a sentence along the lines of, 'it's just Photoshopped' has become a translation for bad or lazy design.

To refer back to the book design, I am not sure the cover is a product of Photoshop or not. To my untrained eye it could just as easily be a photograph. And if it is a photograph, it shouldn't by virtue of that fact make it any more or less successful.

For the positive, I would say it is clean, uncluttered and somewhat stylish.

For the negative, I could say it is unoriginal and has been done to death.

Maybe I am just feeling sorry for Photoshop; unprotected, unloved and in need of a friend when design detractors are in search of a stinging put down. Perhaps I could say the Photoshop put down is as unoriginal as the design we are commenting upon.

*I promise, I am not trying to be a pain in the .

[Harry Fawkes]

I agree with Simon. I really like the UK cover. Soon as I saw it I said: FLEMING!

I respect the opinion of those who dislike the cover as well though.

I mean, Christ I'm going out with a girl who hates James Bond at the moment (unlucky me, eh) but hey what the . She's entitled to that opinion.

As for photoshop, well if that cover was done with that then wow - cool - I'm going to download the now to design my own covers, because if you ask me it's bloody great.

As for Auto-Tune, it was used to produce the prominent altered vocal effect on Cher's "Believe", recorded in 1998, the first major hit song to employ the software for this purpose



I think it's great. Sexy. Passionate. Whoever had the idea to incorporate this effect in a song like this should be awarded a noble prize. No serious. I love it!

So, to conclude, well done to Photoshop and auto-tune from Harry Fawkes

[Jim]

I agree with Simon. I really like the UK cover. Soon as I saw it I said: FLEMING!

I respect the opinion of those who dislike the cover as well though.

I mean, Christ I'm going out with a girl who hates James Bond at the moment (unlucky me, eh) but hey what the . She's entitled to that opinion.

As for photoshop, well if that cover was done with that then wow - cool - I'm going to download the now to design my own covers, because if you ask me it's bloody great.

As for Auto-Tune, it was used to produce the prominent altered vocal effect on Cher's "Believe", recorded in 1998, the first major hit song to employ the software for this purpose



I think it's great. Sexy. Passionate. Whoever had the idea to incorporate this effect in a song like this should be awarded a noble prize. No serious. I love it!

So, to conclude, well done to Photoshop and auto-tune from Harry Fawkes

Have you told this girlfriend of yours that you are an enthusiast of Cher?

[Harry Fawkes]

I agree with Simon. I really like the UK cover. Soon as I saw it I said: FLEMING!

I respect the opinion of those who dislike the cover as well though.

I mean, Christ I'm going out with a girl who hates James Bond at the moment (unlucky me, eh) but hey what the . She's entitled to that opinion.

As for photoshop, well if that cover was done with that then wow - cool - I'm going to download the now to design my own covers, because if you ask me it's bloody great.

As for Auto-Tune, it was used to produce the prominent altered vocal effect on Cher's "Believe", recorded in 1998, the first major hit song to employ the software for this purpose



I think it's great. Sexy. Passionate. Whoever had the idea to incorporate this effect in a song like this should be awarded a noble prize. No serious. I love it!

So, to conclude, well done to Photoshop and auto-tune from Harry Fawkes

Have you told this girlfriend of yours that you are an enthusiast of Cher?

No but she's just read this post and she's packing up her bags I don't know why

[Jim]

She probably doesn't believe in life after love, then.

Damn, what a giveaway.

[Simon]

Have you told this girlfriend of yours that you are an enthusiast of Cher?

No but she's just read this post and she's packing up her bags I don't know why

Excellent ...

[terminus]

I went to see Cher in concert back in 2004 (on a first date no less, at the MEN in Manchester. He paid for it - who was I to argue) and she was fantastic, she performed that song live and really worked it. I remember when the song came out (I got the album) I was living in Dubai and it used to get played on our regular nights out at the Hard Rock Cafe. Oh, the memories.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread

[Santa]

I went to see Cher in concert back in 2004 (on a first date no less, he paid for it - who was I to argue)

If someone arranged that for a first date with me it would be a very short and lonely date. Short for me, lonely for him.

[Harry Fawkes]

But to come back to the original debate, ladies and gentlemen...Cher, God bless her very very sexy voice, anongst other things, should indeed sing the new James Bond theme...Ooops... Wrong thread...Sorry

[terminus]

Slightly retaining the same chain of thought, I wonder if we'll get a themetune competition like the one for Devil May Care or if that will be looked on as a failed experiment.

[Marketto007]

For those interest in use the image online, I just did a PNG (with transparent background) with the book cover. Hope you like it.



xxx

[zencat]

Nice!

[dlb007]

Of the two, the UK version is definitely better. While I admit the US version is not great, it does do what it sets out to: make it clear this is a James Bond novel. It's an attention grabber no matter how plain it might look. Casual readers might risk a glance to see if it's worth reading. I'm surprised how small Jeffrey Deaver's name is on the novel, as normally it is quite large on his books, but this is because they're stressing Project X as James Bond novels written by various authors, with the work being more important than who's writing it. Perhaps they'll both be creative with the paperback covers (?)

[Harry Fawkes]

For those interest in use the image online, I just did a PNG (with transparent background) with the book cover. Hope you like it.



xxx

Oh, sincerely MarkettoOO7 that is fantastic mate!!!!

[Major Tallon]

Intriguing and, to my way of thinking, far superior to the US cover.

[Matt_13]

She probably doesn't believe in life after love, then.

Damn, what a giveaway.

[smudge76]

I'm actually looking forward to this book, get feeling its going to be a good read.

[marktmurphy]

http://commanderbond...-a-bentley.html

Blimey- what a tacky colour scheme! They could have at least used the new one!

[Matt_13]

Interior of that Bentley is something else. Did anyone else catch the bit about "high-tech gadgetry?" I have faith in Deaver given his Lincoln Rhyme series that whatever that car is packing will be something special.




(Watch it be OnStar).

[Jack Spang]

Interior of that Bentley is something else. Did anyone else catch the bit about "high-tech gadgetry?" I have faith in Deaver given his Lincoln Rhyme series that whatever that car is packing will be something special.




(Watch it be OnStar).

I think Deaver has the sense...I hope he has the sense not to pack the car with over the top gadgets like missiles etc. Subtle, realistic gadgets are welcome however. I hope he makes reference in the novel to the fact that the Bentley is battleship grey. I don't want the Bentley to be white. Not sure if Bond would be into red interior..?

[Matt_13]

Interior of that Bentley is something else. Did anyone else catch the bit about "high-tech gadgetry?" I have faith in Deaver given his Lincoln Rhyme series that whatever that car is packing will be something special.




(Watch it be OnStar).

I think Deaver has the sense...I hope he has the sense not to pack the car with over the top gadgets like missiles etc. Subtle, realistic gadgets are welcome however. I hope he makes reference in the novel to the fact that the Bentley is battleship grey. I don't want the Bentley to be white. Not sure if Bond would be into red interior..?

What I'm interested in is whether the Bentley will be Bond's own, or a company car he uses while in Dubai. I thought in that press release Deaver was by the exact model he wrote in the book. Only a couple more months now.

[David Schofield]

While I applaud choice of the Bentley - Flemingian and all that. But no gadgets please: this is a James Bond NOVEL, not a Pierce Brosnan movie - it is guardedly so.

In the UK, the only folk of 28 years of age who drive Bentley Continentals are footballers. Hence, the relatively chavy image the cars have over here. And we don't want James Bond associated with that, do we???

(May be one of those things lost between here and the US Jeff hasn't had pointed out to him)

So, Jeff, just make Bond a bit older. Oooh, I don't know, say 38. Makes sense in so many ways. And he wouldn't look like a flash soccer player driving his latest toy, either, as a bonus.

[Simon]

Good point sir - hadn't thought of thtat.