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Do YOU Want David Arnold to Return?


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#241 occhile007

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 08:05 PM


David Arnold must return. When even John Barry recommended Arnold to barbara broccoli, that says a lot.


Even the great John Barry isn't infallible. He can make grave errors just like any of us.

As of now - Please EON, end this musical monotony. Hire another composer to once again breath life into Bond.



True, but look at the alternatives out there. Hans Zimmer/James Newton Howard = The Dark Knight; John Powell = Bourne; Harry Gregson-Williamson = Every Tony Scott film; Danny Elfman = Every Tim Burton film. Sure there are no namers out there, which could be good. Michael Giacchino who does all the score for JJ Abrams would be interesting since he does more orchestra sounds. But I say let Arnold finish off with the Craig era and then bring in someone fresh.

#242 marktmurphy

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 08:17 PM

I'd be happy to have Arnold back.

#243 The Shark

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 08:53 PM

He's a nice guy, but we need someone with more craft.

I could see him finishing off the 'Craig era' - And then I come along to score the next series of Bonds, when I have enough work under my belt.

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Posted 21 October 2010 - 11:32 PM

Do I want David Arnold to return?

Yes, yes I do. I've said it before and I'll say it again. He's a talented and versatile composer who has contributed a great deal to this franchise. I look forward to each new score.

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 01:08 AM

I'm not sure I look forward to it anymore.
Just today, I listened to Casino Royale again, and it was worse than I remembered it.

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 01:10 AM

I'm not sure I look forward to it anymore.
Just today, I listened to Casino Royale again, and it was worse than I remembered it.


Indeed. I think many wide eyed Arnold fanboys here have clouded, or at least highly selective memories, when it comes to their saviour of Bond music.

#247 gkgyver

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 02:28 AM

Going back through scores like Octopussy, it's amazing how well-placed Barry's relatively short scores were, leaving a heavy mark without plastering the movie.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 06:25 AM


I'm not sure I look forward to it anymore.
Just today, I listened to Casino Royale again, and it was worse than I remembered it.


Indeed. I think many wide eyed Arnold fanboys here have clouded, or at least highly selective memories, when it comes to their saviour of Bond music.


I think Arnold's music is servicable. He is able to enhance a dull scene and make it watchable (mostly during the Brosnan era), and his music does fit with what's onscreen. However, unlike Barry, his music is horrible without seeing it with the film. Trying to listen to a Arnold Bond score on CD is a strain on the ears...unlike any Barry Bond score which I can listen to over and over again.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 10:05 AM

How I love this strain on my ears then... CR and QOS are IMO Arnold´s best scores and some of the best scores in Bond history.

Oh, sorry. I must be an Arnold fanboy then.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 11:37 PM

Without a doubt, CR has to be weakest to date. Practically unlistenable on the complete album except for a few 30 seconds excerpts.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 01:47 PM

How I love this strain on my ears then... CR and QOS are IMO Arnold´s best scores and some of the best scores in Bond history.

Oh, sorry. I must be an Arnold fanboy then.


Then add me as a fangirl, as I loved both soundtracks. Never got the hate...

#252 The Shark

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 05:59 PM


How I love this strain on my ears then... CR and QOS are IMO Arnold´s best scores and some of the best scores in Bond history.

Oh, sorry. I must be an Arnold fanboy then.


Then add me as a fangirl, as I loved both soundtracks. Never got the hate...


More likely than not, you loved them just because they accompanied Craig films. If they were Brosnan scores, I'm sure you'd join in on the bashing, to fit in.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 07:35 PM

Arnold is far better then ur choice shark Elliot Goldenthal. The man hacked up Batman forever and as for Batman and robin it was horrible in every area including the music.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 07:47 PM



How I love this strain on my ears then... CR and QOS are IMO Arnold´s best scores and some of the best scores in Bond history.

Oh, sorry. I must be an Arnold fanboy then.


Then add me as a fangirl, as I loved both soundtracks. Never got the hate...


More likely than not, you loved them just because they accompanied Craig films. If they were Brosnan scores, I'm sure you'd join in on the bashing, to fit in.


I didn't say, I disliked the other soundtracks and I am not as single minded in my opinion concerning ALL pro Craig then you are concerning all anti Craig. There isn't one single thing, you ever have been able to find positiv, which makes it just bashing and not an opinion, to be taken serious.

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 09:32 PM

Arnold is far better then ur choice shark Elliot Goldenthal. The man hacked up Batman forever and as for Batman and robin it was horrible in every area including the music.


Hacked up? The films were hacked up by themselves and that doesn't have anything to do with the composer. They were just terrible.

#256 The Shark

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Posted 07 November 2010 - 09:32 PM

Arnold is far better then ur choice shark Elliot Goldenthal. The man hacked up Batman forever and as for Batman and robin it was horrible in every area including the music.


For all I know, the only reason why you dislike him is because he's got those two films on his CV.

He simpply provided light hearted, camp zany scores for two light hearted, camp, zany Batman films. If anyone is to blame or praise for those two film's tone and general direction, it's Mr. Joel Schumacher. Musically they're far closer to the spirit of John Barry's earlier scores in technique, discipline, instrumentation and dramatic flair than anything Arnold has ever accomplished. Plus, they're a lot more fun to listen to. A lot less earnest and self-important, a trend in the scores which has plagued Bond since 1997.

Bond needs that joie de vivre that it once it had in its musical legacy.




How I love this strain on my ears then... CR and QOS are IMO Arnold´s best scores and some of the best scores in Bond history.

Oh, sorry. I must be an Arnold fanboy then.


Then add me as a fangirl, as I loved both soundtracks. Never got the hate...


More likely than not, you loved them just because they accompanied Craig films. If they were Brosnan scores, I'm sure you'd join in on the bashing, to fit in.


I didn't say, I disliked the other soundtracks and I am not as single minded in my opinion concerning ALL pro Craig then you are concerning all anti Craig. There isn't one single thing, you ever have been able to find positiv, which makes it just bashing and not an opinion, to be taken serious.


I can find little fault Robert Shaeffer's stunning cinematography in QUANTUM OF SOLACE, and I greatly admire Craig's performance in CASINO ROYALE.

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 01:10 AM

I've enjoyed all of John Barry's work, but my favorite score soundtrack is Licence To Kill from the late Michael Kamen. There's something about that score I love. David Arnold's score has been good so far I've enjoyed all of his score except for Die Another Day and Quantum Of Solace. QoS seemed to be to bland and repetitive for a Bond movie. I very much enjoyed his score for Casino Royale as well. I would personally feel that it's time to get another composer for Bond 23. There's other composers out there I think that would do a great job on a Bond film.

Geoff Zanelli - Scored films such as Hitman, Disturbia, Gamer, and Into The West. His score for Hitman was good enough to where I almost felt I was listening to a Bond film's score. None the less, I think he can pull it off.

Sean Murray - Composer who is notable for his work on the games Call Of Duty: World At War, and Call Of Duty: Black Ops. His score for Black Ops is truly amazing, I just can't stop listening to it. I think if he was given the opportunity, he could do a wonderful soundtrack. He's currently my favorite on the list of replacement composers.


Harry Gregson-Williams - Composer for The Town, Gone Baby Gone, and practically every Tony Scott film. There's really nothing to say about HGW other than his films scores are great. The score for the film The Town with David Buckley is just wonderful. I'd like to see his take on Bond. Same thing with his collaborator David Buckley who scored films such as From Paris With Love, The Forbidden Kingdom, and Blood creek.


Ramin Djawadi - Scored Blade: Trinity, Iron Man, Mr. Brooks, Medal Of Honor (2010 Game), Deception, and Clash Of The Titans. His score is great and I would wonder what his take on the film would be.

#258 The Shark

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 03:16 AM

No to all of them. They're digital composers, just like David Arnold. Most of them being Hans Zimmer disciples in some form or the other.

Hitman, Disturbia, Gamer, The Town, The Taking Of Pelham 1 2 3 (remake) and Into The West - These are not memorable scores, and they draw from a very small emographic of a fan base. Electronic filler in the worst sense.

Geoff Zanelli - Scored films such as Hitman, Disturbia, Gamer, and Into The West. His score for Hitman was good enough to where I almost felt I was listening to a Bond film's score. None the less, I think he can pull it off.


It sounded absolutely nothing John Barry or Michael Kamen. Just a few boring John Powell-esque string ostinatos, ticking bass and drum beats etc... Cold, sterile, robotic music.

#259 gkgyver

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 06:00 PM

Arnold is far better then ur choice shark Elliot Goldenthal. The man hacked up Batman forever and as for Batman and robin it was horrible in every area including the music.


For all I know, the only reason why you dislike him is because he's got those two films on his CV.

He simpply provided light hearted, camp zany scores for two light hearted, camp, zany Batman films. If anyone is to blame or praise for those two film's tone and general direction, it's Mr. Joel Schumacher. Musically they're far closer to the spirit of John Barry's earlier scores in technique, discipline, instrumentation and dramatic flair than anything Arnold has ever accomplished. Plus, they're a lot more fun to listen to. A lot less earnest and self-important, a trend in the scores which has plagued Bond since 1997.

Bond needs that joie de vivre that it once it had in its musical legacy.


Yes, exactly, that's what I miss dearly in those Bond scores.
Not sure if that's a correct interpretation, but there is just too much damn minor-moded music in romantic or action sequences. It eventually gets too much.
If you have a score like QoS that is relatively short, you don't notice it as much, but in a 2 hour score like DAD, it's exhausting.

Even in completely "bunny" Bond girl scenes, when Bond bangs a girl just because he wants it, there is that dramatic sense in the music. Bond and Jinx, or Bond and Wai-Lin, or even Solange.

I miss the "Let's Go Get Them" or "Boat Chase" tone in these movies sometimes.

And Elliot Goldenthal provided scores for the Batman films that go far and beyond the enjoyability of a score like CR. There is life and colour there.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 03:22 AM


Arnold is far better then ur choice shark Elliot Goldenthal. The man hacked up Batman forever and as for Batman and robin it was horrible in every area including the music.


For all I know, the only reason why you dislike him is because he's got those two films on his CV.

He simpply provided light hearted, camp zany scores for two light hearted, camp, zany Batman films. If anyone is to blame or praise for those two film's tone and general direction, it's Mr. Joel Schumacher. Musically they're far closer to the spirit of John Barry's earlier scores in technique, discipline, instrumentation and dramatic flair than anything Arnold has ever accomplished. Plus, they're a lot more fun to listen to. A lot less earnest and self-important, a trend in the scores which has plagued Bond since 1997.

Bond needs that joie de vivre that it once it had in its musical legacy.


Yes, exactly, that's what I miss dearly in those Bond scores.
Not sure if that's a correct interpretation, but there is just too much damn minor-moded music in romantic or action sequences. It eventually gets too much.


It's not that Barry's cues were almost always in minor keys. In fact, the vast majority of them are in C minor, F minor, B minor and E minor, from my what I studied. Mostly C Major, F Major, A Major and E Major for the more romantic moments. Very rarely does move outside those keys. The trademark Barry sound is open voiced minor chords, with 7th, 9th and 11th extensions.

Arnold switches tonality all the time, often oscillates between Em and Gm in action sequences, then to Am then F#m - That's called an altered chord progression - where in Em, what would have been G becomes Gm, with a Bb accidental. Hence Arnold's action cues often revolve around the octatonic scale, but unlike its most famous users - Rimsky-Korsakov, Stravinsky and Bartók, his use of the scale feels completely clichéd, laboured and unimaginative.
Why? It's because its used far too frequently to the point of abuse, mainly with straight triads and complex, or dissonant chords. Barry used those progressions sparingly in his later Bond films, particularly in A VIEW TO A KILL for example in the Operation Mainstrike motif. Or in a major tonality for 007 and Counting and Sir Hilary's Night Out.

If you have a score like QoS that is relatively short, you don't notice it as much, but in a 2 hour score like DAD, it's exhausting.

Even in completely "bunny" Bond girl scenes, when Bond bangs a girl just because he wants it, there is that dramatic sense in the music. Bond and Jinx, or Bond and Wai-Lin, or even Solange.

I miss the "Let's Go Get Them" or "Boat Chase" tone in these movies sometimes.

And Elliot Goldenthal provided scores for the Batman films that go far and beyond the enjoyability of a score like CR. There is life and colour there.


Couldn't agree more.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 05:28 AM

Yes. My second choice is Harry Gregson-Williams

Edited by LoneWolf, 17 November 2010 - 05:29 AM.


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Posted 17 November 2010 - 07:26 AM

No. Definitely not. Perhaps even worse than Arnold.

That goes for any Zimmer acolyte.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 05:16 PM

SO who is your choice Mr Shark ? Appart from you ? (maybe in the future)

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 05:35 PM

Once again, I love all of Arnold´s Bond scores. I do prefer CR and QOS because they are more layered and leitmotif-driven then the others. But I definitely want him to return for future Bond outings.

Having said that, my alternative choice would definitely be ALEXANDRE DESPLAT. He has the same gift for haunting melodies as Barry and never scores action just with ambience or droning synths but instead with complex structures of harmony and rhythm. His score for LARGO WINCH is a quasi Bond score and his work on HARRY POTTER AND THE DEATHLY HALLOWS PART ONE once again proves why he is one of the best film composers around.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 06:11 PM

Desplat has some decent scores to his name, but the last thing I want for Bond is something on the level of his work for LARGO WINCH and DEATHLY HALLOWS, both of which I find to be very, very mediocre efforts.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 06:17 PM

Desplat, seriously?
That would amp up the drama-meter even more.

I want someone who can spell f-u-n.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 06:32 PM

Desplat has some decent scores to his name, but the last thing I want for Bond is something on the level of his work for LARGO WINCH and DEATHLY HALLOWS, both of which I find to be very, very mediocre efforts.


Oh.

You´re already familiar with the DEATHLY HALLOWS score? I just got it and love it.

Which Desplat score would be more in the vein of your kind of Bond score, Harmsway?

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 08:45 PM

Do I want Arnold back?

No. He hasn't really brought anything new to the table. QOS was a gentle step in the right direction (mostly due to Forster's influence), but I suspect we can pretty much guarentee the usual style will be back for the next one. :tdown:

Will we get Arnold back?

Almost certainly. EON are happy with him. The general public are generally indifferent to the craft of film-scoring - so at present - he's more likely to return than Daniel Craig is. :o One can only hope people will eventually tire of his incredibly monotonous style like I have.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 08:49 PM

Which Desplat score would be more in the vein of your kind of Bond score, Harmsway?

I don't know that I would point to any of them as good examples for a Bond score. Truth be told, while I'm not down on Desplat like Sharkie is, I wouldn't pick him for the job of Bond composer.

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 02:07 AM

SO who is your choice Mr Shark ? Appart from you ? (maybe in the future)


Joel McNeely.