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[tdalton]

In a vacuum, Fassbender would be a good choice, but he'll be just a bit too old once Craig hangs it up.  Unless they start making these films faster than once every 3 or 4 years, then I think that the next Bond should start before the age of 40 so that they can get more than a small handful of films out of him before he reaches his 50s.

[genuinefelixleiter]

Who needs Heny Cavil, Chris Hemsworth, Fassbender, Hoagy Carmichael?? Rupert Everett! Do any of you remember when there were casting rumorus of Rupert Everett being cast in the title role?? Can you imagine?? Lol!!

[Odd Jobbies]

Do any of you remember when there were casting rumorus of Rupert Everett being cast in the title role?? Can you imagine??

I try not to

[AdaShelby]

Jamie Dornan?

 

[AMC Hornet]

Obviously needs bigger breasts.

[AdaShelby]

[JCRendle]

I have a feeling "50 Shades", with it's potential sequels, and notoriety, would rule him out...

[tdalton]

I don't think 50 Shades will rule him out of Bond.  That said, I don't in any way endorse him as the next Bond or even as a potential candidate for the part, but I don't see 50 Shades of Grey being what keeps him from getting it.

[JCRendle]

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[Guy Haines]

A lot of the "usual suspects" being named. I'd add a note of caution. Did anyone in the press or on sites like our predict Daniel Craig for Bond back in 2004-2005? Earlier than that did anyone see George Lazenby coming a mile off? Or right at the start, Sean Connery? Wasn't the first actor to play Bond in the Eon franchise supposed to be Cary Grant? David Niven? Richard Burton? Patrick McGoohan?

 

My point is that while sometimes the next Bond up is obvious - Roger Moore following Sean Connery for example - sometimes it isn't. There are a lot of "next James Bonds" out there who never were and now never will be. It may be the case with Bond 7. The next Bond beyond Craig, towards the decade's end, may be someone we haven't thought of, someone with an excellent record in theatre, TV or some films but hasn't had that break yet - in other words another potential Connery or Craig.

 

One of the names named above this post might well get the role, but it wouldn't surprise me if none of them did.

[Odd Jobbies]

A lot of the "usual suspects" being named. I'd add a note of caution. Did anyone in the press or on sites like our predict Daniel Craig for Bond back in 2004-2005?

Yep, i saw Craig in the excellent film about the greatest british modern artist Francis Bacon Love Is The Devil  around 2001, in which Craig plays Bacon's lover.

 

There was something about Craig's simmering, potential violence and physicality in the sex scenes and his intense presence throughout that screamed Bond to me. He exuded threat and danger, but remained sympathetic as though it protected a hidden, damaged vulnerability. Without the latter he's just villain fodder, but he's such a good actor he can wrap all of that potential violence around something that's still very human underneath; not many mainstream roles are as complex as that - you're either the hero or the villain, but Bond, as written by Fleming is all of these things and the right actor can tap into that.

 

I wasn't participating in a Bond forum in those days, but i was telling anyone that would listen that this man should play James Bond. I'd always frame the suggestion as my personal taste and a left-field idea because he seemed so unlikely to even be considered in those days - people would say "Daniel who?...Oh, no, he doesn't look like Bond!".

 

I was thrilled to be right about his suitability for Bond and must admit i rubbed it in a few of those dismissive faces

 

 

Now, i certainly wouldn't suggest that because i was right about Craig, i'll be right about the next one - i've been to Vegas where i learned the hard way that the best time to quit is when you're ahead, but.....

 

 

For what it's worth i'd put my front runners in 3 categories:

 

 

1) The best candidate who wouldn't  do it:    Tom Hardy

He'd be amazing, but with a mantlepiece full of Oscars on his horizon, tying himself to Bond is probably the last thing he wants (especially since he's already signed up to another major franchise: Mad Max). However, he's got a working relationship with Nolan, so if/when Nolan takes the reigns then who knows?

 

 

2) The best candidate who would  do it:    Dan Stevens

Until i saw him recently in The Guest  he wasn't on my radar (you won't catch me suffering that Downton Abbey  tosh). So check out The Guest  and tell me i'm wrong (i dare you ) In the second half his performance does get a little broad, but i'd hope that's reflecting the shifting genres of the script. In the first half he's a top notch Bond candidate.

 

 

3) Sony's choice:    Jamie Dornan

I said yesterday in another thread on cbn  that after the inevitable huge box office success of 50 Shades  (the world's biggest book and most watched trailer of 2014), Sony will clamour for its star to be their Bond (perhaps Eon will too!).  

 

It's not a great leap from the Christian Grey character to Bond (As i inferred above about Craig: How Bond handles sex scenes is arguably more important than the fight scenes - no doubt why the bedroom scene is a staple of Bond casting). In this respect one could see 50 Shades  as a feature length Bond audition.

 

Sure Bond's not into S&M, but there's no shortage of sadomasochism in the books, pain & pleasure (violence & good food'n booze) - being tortured and dishing out the punishment -- anyway, blah blah, when 50 Shades  explodes Dornan will be a shoe-in.

 

However, although no one like's the idea of greedy studio execs trying to influence casting decisions at least Dornan has shown some  acting potential in the BBC series The Fall: He doesn't overact, can hold your attention/carry a film and can conjure up a good amount of brooding menace, as well doll out the charm. But he's still a fairly unknown quantity not long off the catwalk and into acting.

 

 

So, they'd be my top 2 screentests and a 3rd that could well happen for all the wrong reasons.

 

But there's also Sullivan Stapleton  and Rupert Friend  both of whom are definitely worth a screentest (Stapleton being my favourite outside bet - he's fantastic in Cinimax's Strike Back).  

 

Then there's Charlie Hunnam, just finishing the long running and fairly acclaimed TV series of Sons of Anarchy, who pulled out of 50 Shades  just before shooting began. If they want to keep the rugged aesthetic established by Craig, then Hunnam looks very much like a young Daniel Craig. He's also not a bad actor and of course, he's British.

 

That's my prediction the first round of screentests post Craig.

 

And of course how can their be a Bond casting call without Cavil being screentested? But i think Superman  and UNCLE  (if successful) have made him unlikely and anyhow, not as good as my top 2 IMO)

 

Ps. I imagine the 50 Shades movie will be pants (no pun intended), but it's mega-success will also put director Sam Taylor-Johnson  on the radar as a Bond Director, and by association her husband Aaron Taylor-Johnson  as Bond. Both are poor choices at this time, but Craig's Bond still has few years left, so the Taylor-Johnson dynasty could yet surprise us !

Edited by Odd Jobbies, 12 January 2015 - 12:42 PM.

[JCRendle]

 

A lot of the "usual suspects" being named. I'd add a note of caution. Did anyone in the press or on sites like our predict Daniel Craig for Bond back in 2004-2005?

Yep, i saw Craig in the excellent film about the greatest british modern artist Francis Bacon Love Is The Devil  around 2001, in which Craig plays Bacon's lover.

 

There was something about Craig's simmering, potential violence and physicality in the sex scenes and his intense presence throughout that screamed Bond to me. 

 

 

It was LayerCake that put him in my wishlist for Bond at the time.

[Pussfeller]

A lot of the "usual suspects" being named. I'd add a note of caution. Did anyone in the press or on sites like our predict Daniel Craig for Bond back in 2004-2005?

 

After Layer Cake, he was mentioned frequently. Nobody was calling him a likely prospect, but he was often discussed as one of the "unlikely but wouldn't it be cool" candidates. It's likely that EON first became aware of Craig by the same means that we did: they watched his performances in Layer Cake and Our Friends in the North, among other things. 

 

I don't know why so many on this board entertain the idea that the next Bond actor will be a total unknown. EON have special casting resources, but they don't have access to a parallel universe of reliable, talented actors who have somehow reached their mid-thirties without appearing in anything notable. The stewards of a billion-dollar franchise aren't going to yoke themselves to an unknown quantity. (Lazenby is not the sort of precedent that cries out to be repeated.) EON will cast an actor who has demonstrated a capacity to show up for work, not punch people, and not smoke crack. It takes years of credits to build up that kind of reputation. It's no coincidence that every Bond actor since Lazenby has been a screen veteran with a reputation for professionalism. We're a long way from the days of Cubby cruising barber shops for young studs.  

[Harmsway]

I doubt he'll be an unknown. I'm sure he won't command a sizable paycheck, but he'll likely have a decent body of work behind him.

What's more obvious is that whoever they cast will signal a change of tone. EON has tended to cast individuals who are significantly different from their predecessors.

[JCRendle]

We're a long way from the days of Cubby cruising barber shops for young studs.  

 

 

That's Barbara's job now

[Odd Jobbies]

 

 

A lot of the "usual suspects" being named. I'd add a note of caution. Did anyone in the press or on sites like our predict Daniel Craig for Bond back in 2004-2005?

Yep, i saw Craig in the excellent film about the greatest british modern artist Francis Bacon Love Is The Devil  around 2001, in which Craig plays Bacon's lover.

 

There was something about Craig's simmering, potential violence and physicality in the sex scenes and his intense presence throughout that screamed Bond to me. 

 

 

It was LayerCake that put him in my wishlist for Bond at the time.

 

Layer Cake was an assured performance that made the media suddenly consider him a contender. Back in 1998 (Love Is The Devil) they couldn't have cared less for him, especially after his impressive, but highly un-Bondian role in the BBC drama Our Friends In The North). I didn't think of him as Bond after that series, not until Love Is The Devil.

[JCRendle]

 

 

A lot of the "usual suspects" being named. I'd add a note of caution. Did anyone in the press or on sites like our predict Daniel Craig for Bond back in 2004-2005?

Yep, i saw Craig in the excellent film about the greatest british modern artist Francis Bacon Love Is The Devil  around 2001, in which Craig plays Bacon's lover.
 
There was something about Craig's simmering, potential violence and physicality in the sex scenes and his intense presence throughout that screamed Bond to me. He exuded threat and danger, but remained sympathetic as though it protected a hidden, damaged vulnerability. Without the latter he's just villain fodder, but he's such a good actor he can wrap all of that potential violence around something that's still very human underneath; not many mainstream roles are as complex as that - you're either the hero or the villain, but Bond, as written by Fleming is all of these things and the right actor can tap into that.
 
I wasn't participating in a Bond forum in those days, but i was telling anyone that would listen that this man should play James Bond. I'd always frame the suggestion as my personal taste and a left-field idea because he seemed so unlikely to even be considered in those days - people would say "Daniel who?...Oh, no, he doesn't look like Bond!".
 
I was thrilled to be right about his suitability for Bond and must admit i rubbed it in a few of those dismissive faces
 
 
Now, i certainly wouldn't suggest that because i was right about Craig, i'll be right about the next one - i've been to Vegas where i learned the hard way that the best time to quit is when you're ahead, but.....
 
 
For what it's worth i'd put my front runners in 3 categories:
 
 
1) The best candidate who wouldn't  do it:    Tom Hardy
He'd be amazing, but with a mantlepiece full of Oscars on his horizon, tying himself to Bond is probably the last thing he wants (especially since he's already signed up to another major franchise: Mad Max). However, he's got a working relationship with Nolan, so if/when Nolan takes the reigns then who knows?
 
 
2) The best candidate who would  do it:    Dan Stevens
Until i saw him recently in The Guest  he wasn't on my radar (you won't catch me suffering that Downton Abbey  tosh). So check out The Guest  and tell me i'm wrong (i dare you ) In the second half his performance does get a little broad, but i'd hope that's reflecting the shifting genres of the script. In the first half he's a top notch Bond candidate.
 
 
3) Sony's choice:    Jamie Dornan
I said yesterday in another thread on cbn  that after the inevitable huge box office success of 50 Shades  (the world's biggest book and most watched trailer of 2014), Sony will clamour for its star to be their Bond (perhaps Eon will too!).  
 
It's not a great leap from the Christian Grey character to Bond (As i inferred above about Craig: How Bond handles sex scenes is arguably more important than the fight scenes - no doubt why the bedroom scene is a staple of Bond casting). In this respect one could see 50 Shades  as a feature length Bond audition.
 
Sure Bond's not into S&M, but there's no shortage of sadomasochism in the books, pain & pleasure (violence & good food'n booze) - being tortured and dishing out the punishment -- anyway, blah blah, when 50 Shades  explodes Dornan will be a shoe-in.
 
However, although no one like's the idea of greedy studio execs trying to influence casting decisions at least Dornan has shown some  acting potential in the BBC series The Fall: He doesn't overact, can hold your attention/carry a film and can conjure up a good amount of brooding menace, as well doll out the charm. But he's still a fairly unknown quantity not long off the catwalk and into acting.
 
 
So, they'd be my top 2 screentests and a 3rd that could well happen for all the wrong reasons.
 
But there's also Sullivan Stapleton  and Rupert Friend  both of whom are definitely worth a screentest (Stapleton being my favourite outside bet - he's fantastic in Cinimax's Strike Back).  
 
Then there's Charlie Hunnam, just finishing the long running and fairly acclaimed TV series of Sons of Anarchy, who pulled out of 50 Shades  just before shooting began. If they want to keep the rugged aesthetic established by Craig, then Hunnam looks very much like a young Daniel Craig. He's also not a bad actor and of course, he's British.
 
That's my prediction the first round of screentests post Craig.
 
And of course how can their be a Bond casting call without Cavil being screentested? But i think Superman  and UNCLE  (if successful) have made him unlikely and anyhow, not as good as my top 2 IMO)
 
Ps. I imagine the 50 Shades movie will be pants (no pun intended), but it's mega-success will also put director Sam Taylor-Johnson  on the radar as a Bond Director, and by association her husband Aaron Taylor-Johnson  as Bond. Both are poor choices at this time, but Craig's Bond still has few years left, so the Taylor-Johnson dynasty could yet surprise us !

Aaron is too young, how tall dornan is and is he from england...?

 

 

Jamie Dornan is 6' and from Northern Ireland.

[AMC Hornet]

2) The best candidate who would  do it:    Dan Stevens

Until i saw him recently in The Guest  he wasn't on my radar (you won't catch me suffering that Downton Abbey  tosh). So check out The Guest  and tell me i'm wrong (i dare you ) In the second half his performance does get a little broad, but i'd hope that's reflecting the shifting genres of the script. In the first half he's a top notch Bond candidate.

 

 

Wot about Rob James-Collier, who plays Thomas Barrow on DA? He has the right look, and definitely has the uncaring bastard part down pat. Give him a couple of years to toughen up and I'd like him for it.

[tdalton]

 

A lot of the "usual suspects" being named. I'd add a note of caution. Did anyone in the press or on sites like our predict Daniel Craig for Bond back in 2004-2005?

Yep, i saw Craig in the excellent film about the greatest british modern artist Francis Bacon Love Is The Devil  around 2001, in which Craig plays Bacon's lover.

 

There was something about Craig's simmering, potential violence and physicality in the sex scenes and his intense presence throughout that screamed Bond to me. He exuded threat and danger, but remained sympathetic as though it protected a hidden, damaged vulnerability. Without the latter he's just villain fodder, but he's such a good actor he can wrap all of that potential violence around something that's still very human underneath; not many mainstream roles are as complex as that - you're either the hero or the villain, but Bond, as written by Fleming is all of these things and the right actor can tap into that.

 

I wasn't participating in a Bond forum in those days, but i was telling anyone that would listen that this man should play James Bond. I'd always frame the suggestion as my personal taste and a left-field idea because he seemed so unlikely to even be considered in those days - people would say "Daniel who?...Oh, no, he doesn't look like Bond!".

 

I was thrilled to be right about his suitability for Bond and must admit i rubbed it in a few of those dismissive faces

 

 

Now, i certainly wouldn't suggest that because i was right about Craig, i'll be right about the next one - i've been to Vegas where i learned the hard way that the best time to quit is when you're ahead, but.....

 

 

For what it's worth i'd put my front runners in 3 categories:

 

 

1) The best candidate who wouldn't  do it:    Tom Hardy

He'd be amazing, but with a mantlepiece full of Oscars on his horizon, tying himself to Bond is probably the last thing he wants (especially since he's already signed up to another major franchise: Mad Max). However, he's got a working relationship with Nolan, so if/when Nolan takes the reigns then who knows?

 

 

2) The best candidate who would  do it:    Dan Stevens

Until i saw him recently in The Guest  he wasn't on my radar (you won't catch me suffering that Downton Abbey  tosh). So check out The Guest  and tell me i'm wrong (i dare you ) In the second half his performance does get a little broad, but i'd hope that's reflecting the shifting genres of the script. In the first half he's a top notch Bond candidate.

 

 

3) Sony's choice:    Jamie Dornan

I said yesterday in another thread on cbn  that after the inevitable huge box office success of 50 Shades  (the world's biggest book and most watched trailer of 2014), Sony will clamour for its star to be their Bond (perhaps Eon will too!).  

 

It's not a great leap from the Christian Grey character to Bond (As i inferred above about Craig: How Bond handles sex scenes is arguably more important than the fight scenes - no doubt why the bedroom scene is a staple of Bond casting). In this respect one could see 50 Shades  as a feature length Bond audition.

 

Sure Bond's not into S&M, but there's no shortage of sadomasochism in the books, pain & pleasure (violence & good food'n booze) - being tortured and dishing out the punishment -- anyway, blah blah, when 50 Shades  explodes Dornan will be a shoe-in.

 

However, although no one like's the idea of greedy studio execs trying to influence casting decisions at least Dornan has shown some  acting potential in the BBC series The Fall: He doesn't overact, can hold your attention/carry a film and can conjure up a good amount of brooding menace, as well doll out the charm. But he's still a fairly unknown quantity not long off the catwalk and into acting.

 

 

So, they'd be my top 2 screentests and a 3rd that could well happen for all the wrong reasons.

 

But there's also Sullivan Stapleton  and Rupert Friend  both of whom are definitely worth a screentest (Stapleton being my favourite outside bet - he's fantastic in Cinimax's Strike Back).  

 

Then there's Charlie Hunnam, just finishing the long running and fairly acclaimed TV series of Sons of Anarchy, who pulled out of 50 Shades  just before shooting began. If they want to keep the rugged aesthetic established by Craig, then Hunnam looks very much like a young Daniel Craig. He's also not a bad actor and of course, he's British.

 

That's my prediction the first round of screentests post Craig.

 

And of course how can their be a Bond casting call without Cavil being screentested? But i think Superman  and UNCLE  (if successful) have made him unlikely and anyhow, not as good as my top 2 IMO)

 

Ps. I imagine the 50 Shades movie will be pants (no pun intended), but it's mega-success will also put director Sam Taylor-Johnson  on the radar as a Bond Director, and by association her husband Aaron Taylor-Johnson  as Bond. Both are poor choices at this time, but Craig's Bond still has few years left, so the Taylor-Johnson dynasty could yet surprise us !

 

 

I think that this might be overstating Sony's influence over things.  After EON knocked it out of the park by casting Craig (on Sony's watch, no less), I don't see Sony getting in the way and interfering with or pressuring EON into casting someone for Bond or into hiring a certain director against their wishes. 

[AMC Hornet]

6'1"

 

Anyway, we can't predict who EON may cast until we can ascertain what sort of character change they are interested in making - or, conversely, how much they're willing to shift the tone of the scripts to suit their new lead.

 

(At least we and they have seen enough variety that another change from gritty won't be too jarring.)

[Vauxhall]

How tall brosnan is?

About 6 foot 1. Or he used to be.

[JCRendle]

 

How tall brosnan is?

About 6 foot 1. Or he used to be.

 

 

Sorry ml94, but you could have easily put "pierce brosnan height" into Google search and easily got your answer. 

[tdalton]

 

 

How tall brosnan is?

About 6 foot 1. Or he used to be.

 

 

Sorry ml94, but you could have easily put "pierce brosnan height" into Google search and easily got your answer. 

 

 

That, or type it into Bing and it tells you directly in the bio on the first page of search results.

[JCRendle]

 

 

 

How tall brosnan is?

About 6 foot 1. Or he used to be.

 

 

Sorry ml94, but you could have easily put "pierce brosnan height" into Google search and easily got your answer. 

 

 

That, or type it into Bing and it tells you directly in the bio on the first page of search results.

 

 

 

 

 

How tall brosnan is?

About 6 foot 1. Or he used to be.

 

 

Sorry ml94, but you could have easily put "pierce brosnan height" into Google search and easily got your answer. 

 

 

That, or type it into Bing and it tells you directly in the bio on the first page of search results.

 

 

Google shows you this...

 

[tdalton]

I know.

 

I was just providing another method.  On the other you don't even need the word 'height', as it gives it to you in the person's bio on the right side regardless.

 

Still, your original point remains and should be heeded.  Use a search engine. 

[DaveBond21]

What did we do before Google?

 

I mean, I was around; I just can't remember!

[JohnnyWalker]

And of course how can their be a Bond casting call without Cavil being screentested?

 

Pretty easily I imagine.

[Odd Jobbies]

 

And of course how can their be a Bond casting call without Cavil being screentested?

 

Pretty easily I imagine.

 

Fair enough

[KB 007]

A lot of the "usual suspects" being named. I'd add a note of caution. Did anyone in the press or on sites like our predict Daniel Craig for Bond back in 2004-2005?

 

The next Bond beyond Craig, towards the decade's end, may be someone we haven't thought of, someone with an excellent record in theatre, TV or some films but hasn't had that break yet - in other words another potential Connery or Craig.

 

One of the names named above this post might well get the role, but it wouldn't surprise me if none of them did.

 

I was on this board back then and I remember Daniel Craig being metioned a lot. By far the actor most people wanted was Clive Owen. The only other actor I can think of off hand that might have been more popular than Craig as a Bond candidate was Gerard Butler.

[Odd Jobbies]

I was on this board back then and I remember Daniel Craig being metioned a lot. By far the actor most people wanted was Clive Owen. The only other actor I can think of off hand that might have been more popular than Craig as a Bond candidate was Gerard Butler.

 

I remember that too. Poor old Gerald has been almost  cast in just about everything. Including the recent proposed remake of Escape From New York  which just changed hands to Fox and you can count him out since it's taken so long to get off the ground he's now too old for a new Snake Plissken franchise.

 

For me personally it was Craig all the way, but Clive Owen seemed the favourite for quite some time - he seemed an obvious choice to many after his BMW short movies. I too wanted Owen for Bond back then, even though i thought Craig would be better. I didn't think Craig was on Eon's radar and even if he was i didn't see them being bold enough to go with Craig. But i was very pleased to be wrong about that - good for Eon.

 

Craig gained momentum throughout the hunt and if all's to be believed Owen was never approached (which i don't believe for a moment). According to Barbara, she'd been wooing Craig for some time, but he was reluctant at first. Had Craig said no, then i'm guessing that Owen would've been Barbara's next target (rather than Cavil).

 

Would love to see an Owen screen-test, since the gritty direction Eon went in would've suited him very well so long as he didn't try to inject a sensitive caring side into the character. In movies such as The Killer Elite  and Shoot'em Up  he does 'Gritty'  wonderfully because he's consistently ruthless and 'bad ass' throughout those movies.   Owen also does the more sensitive dramatic roles very well, but when he tries to do sensitive at the same time as gritty, he sounds a little whiney and the gritty becomes pretty lame (having said that, he's doing a fine job of combining these approaches in TV series The Knick, from what i've seen of it).

 

Craig handles the mixture of violence and tenderness better, as there always seems to be a latent rage and discomfort when his Bond is emotionally vulnerable, wrapping the 2 into 1. This gives his Bond that constant, unpredictable powder keg quality (same can in said in spades for Richard Burton, Russell Crowe and Tom Hardy). I guess that's what i saw about Craig in the 1998 movie Love Is The Devil  that made me think of him as a perfect James Bond candidate.

 

Perhaps after Craig Eon will revert the franchise back to light-comedy-adventures, but lets hope not, because Craig's complex action thrillers with a psychological twist have been superb   But for these high quality thrillers to continue to work Bond 7 needs to be able to do violence and tenderness in this same emotionally damaged, all wrapped up together, powder keg kind a way, rather than an actor whom switches between tough, gritty acting to sensitive, tender acting when the script requires.

 

Sure that's pretty obvious and all actors want to achieve the former and avoid the latter, but it's hard to pull off on-screen, even though Craig makes it look fairly straight forward. Of all the potential Bond's mentioned in this thread, based upon their bodies of work thus far the only one that we can be confident will achieve a level of complexity as high as Craig (if not even higher in this case) is Tom Hardy.

Edited by Odd Jobbies, 15 January 2015 - 12:54 PM.