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[Quantumofsolace007]

It is interesting as it's been nearly a month since we got the first press release regarding bond 23 and this has been the only (and I use this term lightly) "serious" rumour we have got strange.

[The Shark]

Of course SPECTRE is far more well known. They've been in several Bond films and have been spoofed in several other series, whereas QUANTUM has made one film appearance. The Craig Era needs to have its own villain, rather than a re-imaging of an organisation that Bond has already dealt with. SPECTRE was a lousy organisation the first time it appeared, and no serious attempt to bring it back is going to change the fact that Blofeld and SPECTRE have already been done in the series and it's time to move forward and allow QUANTUM to become an iconic organisation on its own.

SPECTRE lousy? They managed to be menacing and truly intimidating antagonists in the best of the "classic" Bonds - DN, FRWL, TB, OHMSS etc... Headed by one of the most recognisable and iconic villains of all time. In all honesty, I don't think Quantum has the flair to become an iconic organisation, any more than Greene is an iconic Bond villain.

Bond hasn't "already" dealt with SPECTRE, since this is a new time line. And I bet the average movie goer would prefer to see SPECTRE and Blofeld as the main antagonists as opposed to the nondescript Quantum.

Give the people what they want.

[Mr. Blofeld]

Give the people what they want.

"The people", in this case, meaning you?

[tdalton]

QUANTUM can become an iconic organization, though. I'd hardly say that there was anything iconic about SPECTRE in DR. NO, where all they ended up being was a passing reference by Dr. No at the dinner scene with Bond. That's where we are with QUANTUM, at the introductory stage, just like SPECTRE was in DR. NO. I'd rather see them come up with a new iconic villain for QUANTUM rather than having QUANTUM end up being SPECTRE and having Blofeld as the leader of the organization. We've already seen that, and it's time for something new.

[Peckinpah1976]

QUANTUM can become an iconic organization, though. I'd hardly say that there was anything iconic about SPECTRE in DR. NO, where all they ended up being was a passing reference by Dr. No at the dinner scene with Bond. That's where we are with QUANTUM, at the introductory stage, just like SPECTRE was in DR. NO. I'd rather see them come up with a new iconic villain for QUANTUM rather than having QUANTUM end up being SPECTRE and having Blofeld as the leader of the organization. We've already seen that, and it's time for something new.

Precisely and that's part of why I love QOS - you get to see an international terror organization taking it's first fledgling steps towards "world domination" and destabilising and then controlling individual countries is all a part of that. Figuratively speaking, we're beginning to see the journey towards the hollowed-out volcano rather than taking the short cut as they did with YOLT - I just hope EON stick with it.

[The Shark]

QUANTUM can become an iconic organization, though. I'd hardly say that there was anything iconic about SPECTRE in DR. NO, where all they ended up being was a passing reference by Dr. No at the dinner scene with Bond. That's where we are with QUANTUM, at the introductory stage, just like SPECTRE was in DR. NO. I'd rather see them come up with a new iconic villain for QUANTUM rather than having QUANTUM end up being SPECTRE and having Blofeld as the leader of the organization. We've already seen that, and it's time for something new.

I'd just prefer a new interpretation of a classic rather than a poor man's SPECTRE.

C'est La Vie!

[Quantumofsolace007]

QUANTUM can become an iconic organization, though. I'd hardly say that there was anything iconic about SPECTRE in DR. NO, where all they ended up being was a passing reference by Dr. No at the dinner scene with Bond. That's where we are with QUANTUM, at the introductory stage, just like SPECTRE was in DR. NO. I'd rather see them come up with a new iconic villain for QUANTUM rather than having QUANTUM end up being SPECTRE and having Blofeld as the leader of the organization. We've already seen that, and it's time for something new.

I'd just prefer a new interpretation of a classic rather than a poor man's SPECTRE.

C'est La Vie!

I'd rather Quantum become something different entirly then Spectre poor or rich man's version.

[The Shark]

Though I do question Zorin's assertion on Sheen being perfect for Blofeld. Personally I haven't seen him in a role with the remotest amount of malevolence to play Bond's arch nemesis. Are there any menacing performances of his that I should look at?

[Peckinpah1976]

Tony Blair?

[Zorin Industries]

Though I do question Zorin's assertion on Sheen being perfect for Blofeld. Personally I haven't seen him in a role with the remotest amount of malevolence to play Bond's arch nemesis. Are there any menacing performances of his that I should look at?

He's a very good actor (one of Britain's best), that's why.

[The Shark]

Right, but has been in anything where he's truly menacing?

Anything where he's used that chameleon-like talent to play a spine chilling character?

Edited by The Shark, 11 July 2009 - 05:09 PM.

[Zorin Industries]

Right, but has been in anything where he's truly menacing?

Anything where he's used that chameleon-like talent to play a spine chilling character?

FANTABULOSA for starters. His Kenneth Williams is a snipey tour de force.

It is missing the point to say he must have played a menacing villain in this or that. He is an actor. It doesn't matter. He could ('could') do whatever role he wants. Did we have concerns about Daniel Craig playing a spy because he hadn't before? No, of course not.

[Jim]

Right, but has been in anything where he's truly menacing?

Anything where he's used that chameleon-like talent to play a spine chilling character?

He played Tony Blair.

[Safari Suit]

Some obvious Michael Sheen gags about half a minute in:
http://www.bbc.co.uk...ern-fedge.shtml
Well, it made me laugh.

[The Shark]

Right, but has been in anything where he's truly menacing?

Anything where he's used that chameleon-like talent to play a spine chilling character?

FANTABULOSA for starters. His Kenneth Williams is a snipey tour de force.

It is missing the point to say he must have played a menacing villain in this or that. He is an actor. It doesn't matter. He could ('could') do whatever role he wants. Did we have concerns about Daniel Craig playing a spy because he hadn't before? No, of course not.

No, but because Craig showed that he could be a charismatic middle man in Layer Cake. It wasn't much of a step up to play James Bond.

Like I said I haven't seen a role where he remotely conveys a menace or presence that hold him up for a role as Blofeld. A bitchy Kenneth Williams and a sycophantic Tony Blair, aren't the same deal as Blofeld.

[Zorin Industries]

Right, but has been in anything where he's truly menacing?

Anything where he's used that chameleon-like talent to play a spine chilling character?

FANTABULOSA for starters. His Kenneth Williams is a snipey tour de force.

It is missing the point to say he must have played a menacing villain in this or that. He is an actor. It doesn't matter. He could ('could') do whatever role he wants. Did we have concerns about Daniel Craig playing a spy because he hadn't before? No, of course not.

No, but because Craig showed that he could be a charismatic middle man in Layer Cake. It wasn't much of a step up to play James Bond.

Like I said I haven't seen a role where he remotely conveys a menace or presence that hold him up for a role as Blofeld. A bitchy Kenneth Williams and a sycophantic Tony Blair, aren't the same deal as Blofeld.

Actually, they are (or at least could be).

Daniel Craig didn't just get the part based on what roles where he held a gun. I would imagine titles like THE MOTHER, ENDURING LOVE, OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH and SOME VOICES also circled his name - as well as a few stage performances. Actors are not cast for a role based on whether they have played something similiar - not the good ones anyway (certainly not in the casting sessions I have been involved with). It is assumed an actor like Sheen will be able to lend his hand to anything (which he has sort of proved with everything he has done to date).

[The Shark]

As long as he can put on about 60 lbs and speak in a Polish accent, then it's fine by me.

[Skudor]

Michael Sheen could do a very good Bond villain (perhaps a little close to Dominic Green, though?) and I personally would love to see a re-invented Blofeld as well. Use the name, ditch the baggage. It would be a fantastic nemesis for Bond and provid the films with a ready made villian for several movies down the line.

A pity this is just a bare-bones rumour at a ridiculously early stage in the production.

[Safari Suit]

Why not just ditch the name along with the baggage. After all the name isbaggage.

[Quantumofsolace007]

Michael Sheen could do a very good Bond villain (perhaps a little close to Dominic Green, though?) and I personally would love to see a re-invented Blofeld as well. Use the name, ditch the baggage. It would be a fantastic nemesis for Bond and provid the films with a ready made villian for several movies down the line.

A pity this is just a bare-bones rumour at a ridiculously early stage in the production.

it's more of a pitty tyhat this is the only rumour at this stage of the game. I'm a chatter I enjoy discussion but on film front no batman news no bond news no nothing it's getting rather annoying.

you all seem to love sheen perhaps he could play a new character Dr Julian Hildebrand prehaps

[The Shark]

Why not just ditch the name along with the baggage. After all the name isbaggage.

Keep the name, ditch the stereotypes - except white cat of course.

[Qwerty]

Michael Sheen shuts down Bond 23 villain rumours

Unsurprisingly, no truth to Ernst Stavro Blofeld rumours

[Quantumofsolace007]

I honestly didn't think Sheen would do it either a bond film or Blofeld.

But still nice to see bond 23 news i guess. though I'm hoping for something a bit more substaantial like the Eon is looking at these directors for bond 23 or Purvis and wade complete their first draft etc.

And before Zorin Pops on with his classic "why do people care about first drafts they mean nothing" I want to know bond 23 will come out i want to get confirmation that yes EON hasn't forgotton about bond 23. Seeing drafts be completed and possible serious Director Contenders (every magazine just like ever fan has their own ideas as who eon should pick but that makes no difference) shows that the ball is rolling thing are being put into place and yes Bond will return. Now as Fall/winter comes into play in the northeast I can feel a quietnees on the bond boards. Not to be melodramatic but something occured to me when I wrote my thread about the versus no the I finnaly realized that was the most exciting thing bond film releated I could think of remotly contributing to these boards. I realize now it the thread is not only unpopular most i think hate it. Not to be a martyr but I feel sad we don't have something more substantial. I had a feeling we would at least have a confirmation the first draft was done and submitted. but oh well. Maybe next year will be more exciting for a bond fan.

[Safari Suit]

Why not just ditch the name along with the baggage. After all the name isbaggage.

Keep the name, ditch the stereotypes - except white cat of course.

My point is (was, this is going back a bit), ditch the stereotypes, and the cat, andthe name and you end up with zero baggage. If you leave anyone of these in you still have at least some baggage, so why not just go the whole hog and create an original character?

[dee-bee-five]

Right, but has been in anything where he's truly menacing?

Anything where he's used that chameleon-like talent to play a spine chilling character?

He played Tony Blair.

And the original still gives me nightmares...

[tdalton]

so why not just go the whole hog and create an original character?

Completely agreed. That's exactly what EON should do with the series (and QUANTUM) moving forward. We've seen Blofeld several times on screen already. I'd say let Mr. White develop into the next great recurring villain, or go ahead and create that character and introduce him or her sometime in the very near future. But whatever they do, I really hope that they don't bring Blofeld back.

[dee-bee-five]

Right, but has been in anything where he's truly menacing?

Anything where he's used that chameleon-like talent to play a spine chilling character?

FANTABULOSA for starters. His Kenneth Williams is a snipey tour de force.

It is missing the point to say he must have played a menacing villain in this or that. He is an actor. It doesn't matter. He could ('could') do whatever role he wants. Did we have concerns about Daniel Craig playing a spy because he hadn't before? No, of course not.

No, but because Craig showed that he could be a charismatic middle man in Layer Cake. It wasn't much of a step up to play James Bond.

Like I said I haven't seen a role where he remotely conveys a menace or presence that hold him up for a role as Blofeld. A bitchy Kenneth Williams and a sycophantic Tony Blair, aren't the same deal as Blofeld.

Yes, because Charles Gray's cv prior to DAF practically screamed "Blofeld!", didn't it...?

[SecretAgentFan]

After Dominic Greene and LeChiffre I´d love the next villain to be older again. Some corporate heavyweight.

[Zorin Industries]

I honestly didn't think Sheen would do it either a bond film or Blofeld.

But still nice to see bond 23 news i guess. though I'm hoping for something a bit more substaantial like the Eon is looking at these directors for bond 23 or Purvis and wade complete their first draft etc.

And before Zorin Pops on with his classic "why do people care about first drafts they mean nothing" I want to know bond 23 will come out i want to get confirmation that yes EON hasn't forgotton about bond 23. Seeing drafts be completed and possible serious Director Contenders (every magazine just like ever fan has their own ideas as who eon should pick but that makes no difference) shows that the ball is rolling thing are being put into place and yes Bond will return. Now as Fall/winter comes into play in the northeast I can feel a quietnees on the bond boards. Not to be melodramatic but something occured to me when I wrote my thread about the versus no the I finnaly realized that was the most exciting thing bond film releated I could think of remotly contributing to these boards. I realize now it the thread is not only unpopular most i think hate it. Not to be a martyr but I feel sad we don't have something more substantial. I had a feeling we would at least have a confirmation the first draft was done and submitted. but oh well. Maybe next year will be more exciting for a bond fan.

Why on earth would the public, fans and anyone not that connected with the film need confirmation that a "first draft was done and submitted"? I hate to say it, but it's no-one's business. And I don't mean to be harsh there. It doesn't help or further what the public need and want to know about a film.

And no, Eon Productions have not forgotten about BOND 23. Far from it, I'm sure.

[DAN LIGHTER]

I honestly didn't think Sheen would do it either a bond film or Blofeld.

But still nice to see bond 23 news i guess. though I'm hoping for something a bit more substaantial like the Eon is looking at these directors for bond 23 or Purvis and wade complete their first draft etc.

And before Zorin Pops on with his classic "why do people care about first drafts they mean nothing" I want to know bond 23 will come out i want to get confirmation that yes EON hasn't forgotton about bond 23. Seeing drafts be completed and possible serious Director Contenders (every magazine just like ever fan has their own ideas as who eon should pick but that makes no difference) shows that the ball is rolling thing are being put into place and yes Bond will return. Now as Fall/winter comes into play in the northeast I can feel a quietnees on the bond boards. Not to be melodramatic but something occured to me when I wrote my thread about the versus no the I finnaly realized that was the most exciting thing bond film releated I could think of remotly contributing to these boards. I realize now it the thread is not only unpopular most i think hate it. Not to be a martyr but I feel sad we don't have something more substantial. I had a feeling we would at least have a confirmation the first draft was done and submitted. but oh well. Maybe next year will be more exciting for a bond fan.

Why on earth would the public, fans and anyone not that connected with the film need confirmation that a "first draft was done and submitted"? I hate to say it, but it's no-one's business. And I don't mean to be harsh there. It doesn't help or further what the public need and want to know about a film.

And no, Eon Productions have not forgotten about BOND 23. Far from it, I'm sure.

Well we do like to stick our noses in when it comes to all Bond releated things here. Cant be helped. What with it being a Bond fansite and all that.