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[OO4]

Indeed...Indeed. Well written my friend. Personally, as revolvers go, the classic Colt Mk. IV .357 with the simple four inch barrel is both concealable and controlable but packs a punch similar to some of the smaller frame .44's and you can shoot .38 in a pinch.

As the old quote goes: "God created all men equal...Sam Colt kept 'em even."

On the more modern front, for the "pick up a 400-pound gorilla off his feet" effect, the Charter Arms Bulldog .44 snub with Talons or Glasers can stop an elephant as well as the gorilla.

or a sub-compact car.

Granted, you're limited to only five rounds, but the double-action is smooth and the single lethal. Nice control.

Problem with the Sig fitted with a silencer: Too damn long. Let us not forget the end of the novel FRWL. It's a fine pistol, but with the silencer looks like a snag waiting to happen unless you've got a scabbard break-away rig or already have it out and ready to go.

Then again, the same can be said of any pistol fitted with a silencer.

While I doubt many would disagree about the Colt, the CA Bulldog quality is just too hit or miss in my opinion. I know guys who've shot the hell out of them and they're still running and seen pieces that should have never made it out the factory.

Personally I think if Bond carried a concealed revolver these days it would still be the one Boothroyd suggested. An airweight centennial is a wonderful gun and the lswchp +P FBI load is a proven round. I won't get into over/under penetration talk concerning Glasers as it's going way OT.

Have I mentioned a 642 is my usual everyday carry?

Am I the only one who prefers the P99. It looks a lot cooler and plus the PPK just has a wimpy look to it, as if a pellet gun packs more punch. I would like Bond to use a bigger kind of gun. It isn't impoossible to conceal a Colt .45 or a Beretta M9, what about a USP .45?

All I'll say about H&K is, "Because I Suck, And They Hate Me"





Unless it's a P7... then all bets are off.

[Red Barchetta]

I still say Bond should carry the PPK. He's a spy after all, not an arms cache, or a single-one-man-arsenal.

The P99 is nice, but seems a tad large for weapon that needs to be easily concealed just about everywhere (ie; casinos, hotels, clubs, etc).

When you infiltrate the vilians lair, then bring out the big guns!

[darkpath]

Unless it's a P7... then all bets are off.

I can never disagree with something nice being said about the HK P7. Great size (particularly the original and the P7M8) though I don't care for the weight or balance of the P7M13.

Out of curiosity, are there any high-end large frame revolvers made in Europe that might suit Bond as a car gun? All the large frame revolvers I know of are made in the Americas (North or South); but I think Bond would opt for a European model if one was available, of decent quality, and suitable pedigree.

[Trident]

Out of curiosity, are there any high-end large frame revolvers made in Europe that might suit Bond as a car gun? All the large frame revolvers I know of are made in the Americas (North or South); but I think Bond would opt for a European model if one was available, of decent quality, and suitable pedigree.

At the moment I can only think of the French Manurhin revolvers, particularly MR 73 in .357 MAG with 3", 4" and 6" barrels. Don't know if the company still exists. Their models are a bit expensive, but shooters seem to like them quite a lot.

[Trident]

Just came to mind:

-the German Korth revolver 'Troja' in .22, .38, .357 with barrels ranging 3", 4", 5" 1/4" and 6" . Also a bit on the pricey side with a price tag that starts at 6.500,- US$.

-the German Janz revolver 'JTL-S'; uses one frame with interchangeable barrels and cylinders to shoot four (actually five, considering the .38 option in the .357 cylinder) calibers: .22lr (8 shot cylinder), .357 MAG (7 shot! cylinder), .44 MAG (6 shot cylinder) and .454 Casull (5 shot cylinder). Barrel lengths can be chosen from 4" to 12". The Janz company is remarkable in that they are not a 'regular' arms manufacturer, Their products range from high precision mechanic for all kinds of manufacture to dairy analysis and repair for all kinds of photographic equipment. Revolvers are really just a side branch of their business. Although not one that is neglected; they plan to come up with a .500 SW and a .460 SW model soon, making them the only manufacturer outside the US to offer these calibers. The price? Not much less than the Korth, I'm told.

[Bryce (003)]

Trident - I'd forgotten you carry daily.

Excellent points on all discussed.

I've been shooting a PPK since I was 11. Bought my first right around this time of year in '88. 6.35mm. I'm on my third now in .380 and it's a beauty. Pre - '68 and new slide, second barrel and reworked trigger pull - just a little less snap, but firm.

Quite legendary here around CBn with let's see -

The Admiral, the Quartermaster, Zencat, Athena, Mister Asterix, darkpath, Double-O-Seven, Justanother00, Pam Bovier, Doctor warmflash, Flicka, Malice West, and , of course, two of the "usual suspects" - Matt (004) and the lovely, lethal, Miss Joyce Carrington (although she prefers the Browning HP).

Maybe I should start a guest book/registry for those have "shaken hands" with this particular part of my collection.

[Trident]

Trident - I'd forgotten you carry daily.

LOL!

The only thing I carry daily nowadays is an Inland Revenue seal. But sometimes that's as dealy a weapon as any gun.

But I have several colleagues that still do have to carry and none of them is really happy with the extra weigth, regardless if it's the HK P7 or SIG.

[Bryce (003)]

Indeed good sir.

I recently had to have my civilian re-cert for my CWP here in CA.

Since I've carried from when I was first a private security officer (rent-a-cop), I kind of got "grandfathered" in as long as I don't let it expire, but it just can't happen these days, but I pay my fees and I go through 100 rounds with a watchful instructor over my shoulder.

Now, BOT -

As revolvers go, there's nothing with a good .38 be it Colt or S&W. Espcially as proven by another iconic hero.

Harry: Now you boys put those guns down.

Thug: Say what?

Harry: Well, we're just not going to let you boys walk out of here.

Thug: Who's "we" sucker?

Harry: Smith and Wesson and me.

'nuff said.

[Trident]

Bryce, if you had to carry a firearm really hidden (not just covert with the option to show your license whenever some snoopy curious guy asks what the bunch poking your jacket is), which one would you choose? A small frame guy myself, I'd rather not carry anything more suspicious than my keys, but I realize there may be situations that call for more protection. I probably wouldn't dare going with anything bigger than a Derringer (which might pose severe problems of hitting the target at any grater range).

[Bryce (003)]

A good question. Now, this thread was started about Bond's carry, but, as you asked, oddly I opt for my PPK in an ITW rig on my right hip.

If I go with my Ken Nolan designed (ala' LTK) scabbard and fitted for my ASP, two things.

I have three tailored jackets that conceal it.

It works under any jacket. Both the pistol and the rig.

As much as I adore and am experienced in both the PPK and the ASP, my HEAVY carry will always be the Browning HP. My own has a slightly widened ejection port and steeper load ramp. Hence, it'll take any and all 9mm auto rounds and even the .380 in a pinch - I had the pin adjusted by my gunsmith for just the rare occasion.

I've got two custom 15 round mags as well. I prefer the soft-nose "hot" Win hollow tips. It also fits in my ASP holster quite well.

As a certain retired "black-Op's" Colonel taught me - If you draw it, use it. Or - as he liked to say as warning when confronted with his hand on his weapon, "Understand this, if it comes out, it goes off...Just like my penis."

[Four Aces]

Bryce (003)

I am still carrying my Colt .380 Government Model. This pistol, like other Colts, is of course no longer offered to the public by Colt. The pistol has a 3.25" barrel, but I will still be replacing it with a smaller carry. Even though this is a compact carry, I still feel it leaves a print when wearing it on my hip. I am still looking for alternatives, and may go with the Ruger .380 LCP. This one will fit better in my motorcycle jacket, and I don't have to worry about a hammer catching on clothing. Also considering a hammerless revolver.

As for firepower, I am going with the statistics. Most life-threatening events will occur within 10' of the perpetrator. A .380 has sufficient stopping/kill power. My policy is Texas style - empty the clip in order to eliminate the threat. Drop the clip and reload.

Usheathed.


Sheathed.

[Jeff007]

Why not a Sig P226 ? The PPk is so outdated !



It's a good choice, between the PPk and the P99.

Bond should always carry a Walther.

I've put many rounds through the SIG P226 and it is a very reliable weapon. However, Walther = Bond and that's the way it should be.

[Bryce (003)]

To quote George Clooney in "O Brother, Where Art Thou?"

"Once again, We find ourselves in agreement!"

[OO4]

I recently had to have my civilian re-cert for my CWP here in CA.

Since I've carried from when I was first a private security officer (rent-a-cop), I kind of got "grandfathered" in as long as I don't let it expire, but it just can't happen these days, but I pay my fees and I go through 100 rounds with a watchful instructor over my shoulder.

Wow, makes me appreciate my Louisiana that much more... I hear all kinds of crazy stuff from your end of the country.

I've got a 36 round re-cert every four years and open carry is spelled out for us in the Louisiana constitution.

Right now it's been cool enough for me to get away with carrying my Hi-power in .40 S&W IWB under a light jacket or an untucked heavy shirt. I use a Galco Summer Comfort. Not the best holster out there by any means but it works well for me.

This is of course all off the clock as I can't and wouldn't carry at work. There's still some trust I get from "certain people" on the street who know that an EMT is unarmed and not a cop.

Back OT:


I needed to mention I was happy to see Craig's Bond isn't only wearing shoulder holsters. While they have their place, a good IWB can be much more practical when wearing casual clothing.

[Double-O-Nine]

I like to some day see Bond with an Beretta.

[darkpath]

While trying to accommodate both the tangents and the primary topic of this thread, I'd like to put forth a solution that I personally have used, the so-called "Superman carry". I have used this method with an ASP 9mm in an Alessi shoulder holster under a blue button down (oxford) shirt, though that shoulder rig is not optimal for this carry mode.

Personally, I think that all conventional horizontal and conventional vertical shoulder holsters are less than optimal for this mode of carry, however, and I would prefer a Ken Null inverted vertical design (according to the US patent office, designed by the late Paris Theodore).

Once I have put sufficient rounds through my now refurbished Beretta .25 to certify it as reliable (about 500 rounds should do, I believe) I may invest in a Ken Null should rig for just such an implementation.

I believe that Bond, or anyone, could carry a PPK or a subcompact Beretta (also quite Fleming-ish) in a Ken Null inverted vertical shoulder holster under a properly tailored shirt with no tell-tale, which leaves the waistband available for an IWB holster and an larger weapon.

Now I realise that this may be treading thin ice; but given my druthers, I would love to see Bond carry the Beretta Tomcat (.32ACP a.k.a. 7.65mm) in the "Superman carry" and the PPK in .380ACP a.k.a. 9mmK or PPS in an IWB holster.

[Four Aces]

darkpath,

Let's see some pictures of what you are talking about.

[darkpath]

darkpath,

Let's see some pictures of what you are talking about.

I'll be happy to do so once I have the chance; however, my firearms collection is in storage, off-site, and I oft think that my schedule is suitable only for someone trying very hard to be checked into an asylum (I've yet to find the time to adequately "baby-proof" my flat and my daughter is already a year old).

Since I can't (and I do apologise for the inconvenience) provide you with a photo of myself using this mode of carry, and my search of the internet (via Google) has yet to come up with any photos (I will keep looking) I will, for now, post this link to a discussion that seems to provide a pretty definitive description of the basic concept:
Superman Carry suggestion

[OO4]

Now I realise that this may be treading thin ice; but given my druthers, I would love to see Bond carry the Beretta Tomcat (.32ACP a.k.a. 7.65mm) in the "Superman carry" and the PPK in .380ACP a.k.a. 9mmK or PPS in an IWB holster.

I could certainly see bond carrying in the method for deep concealment or as a back up gun. I think .32 as a back up "gun to get a gun" is a good option for that. The tomcat's a good choice and pretty Fleming.

After seeing QOS a second time, I was thinking about how Bond picked up that Hi-power off the guy in the elevator. That somehow got me to thinking if they ever show one of Bond's counterparts from Mossad I'd like to see he/she use a Beretta .22 rimfire....

That might just be because I watched Munich the other day.

[RedKelly]

Well if the argument is stopping power, I would have to go with a 45 ACP 1911 compact http://www.bayourove...OfficersACP.jpg Ed Brown is just a suggestion. I'm betting the two biggest criticisms will be it is too big, and too american. Hey I would trust my life to it.

Edited by RedKelly, 23 December 2008 - 03:17 PM.

[darkpath]

There's nothing wrong with an M1911A1 or variants thereof; but it's a service pistol, and is the size of a service pistol. While there are times that Bond operates in conditions where a service pistol is a viable option, much of the time he has to operate under a level of cover that requires him to conceal the level of lethality he is capable of to an extent that is not compatible with a service pistol, whether the pistol is a GP-35 (a.k.a. Browning Hi-Power) or an M1911A1.

I would regard the "Officers" model as a mid-size; but it is still larger and heavier than a PPK or PPS.

Also, bear in mind that many of the times that Bond has need of something larger, he opts for a shoulder arm, such as a submachinegun.

[RedKelly]

There's nothing wrong with an M1911A1 or variants thereof; but it's a service pistol, and is the size of a service pistol. While there are times that Bond operates in conditions where a service pistol is a viable option, much of the time he has to operate under a level of cover that requires him to conceal the level of lethality he is capable of to an extent that is not compatible with a service pistol, whether the pistol is a GP-35 (a.k.a. Browning Hi-Power) or an M1911A1.

I would regard the "Officers" model as a mid-size; but it is still larger and heavier than a PPK or PPS.

Also, bear in mind that many of the times that Bond has need of something larger, he opts for a shoulder arm, such as a submachinegun.

Wait I'm trying to think, didn't that happen in CR?

[Daddy Bond]

This is the gun I own...the Bersa 380...

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Note how similar it is to the Walther PPK...

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Visually, the main difference is the trigger guard. The Bersa has some great reviews as well and it is WAY cheaper than the Walther.

[RedKelly]

This is the gun I own...the Bersa 380...

 BERSA.jpg   11.58KB   14 downloads

Note how similar it is to the Walther PPK...

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Visually, the main difference is the trigger guard. The Bersa has some great reviews as well and it is WAY cheaper than the Walther.

True but I don't think they'll ever drop walther from the series.

[darkpath]

I've not yet had the chance to get pictures showing the Superman carry in use; but, I've been able to locate these images of Paris Theodore-designed inverted shoulder holsters, and I think you can see how this would conceal under a shirt more effectively than a horizontal shoulder holster.

[Trident]

As so often it would seem that real problem isn't the gun but the butt (pardon the pun ).

Generally speaking, with the inverted holster there is the advantage that lubrication is crawling to the parts the gun may need it, instead of to the barrel.

[OO4]

Yep, that's usually the case. A long pistol with a small thin butt is much more concealable that a short fat pistol with a huge double stack mag.

[007Bond007]

PPk is definetly abetter and sleaker gun.

Edited by 007Bond007, 10 January 2009 - 02:07 PM.

[maersk seeland]

how bout a SIG229..............jack bauer's weapon of choice......


or a springfield super XD in .45ACP

[Double-Oh Agent]

The PPK is better than the P99. But if Bond were not to have a Walther, why not the ASP?