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[Quincy]

It's my understanding that in his fight with Mitchell in QOS his P99(primary weapon) was lost, so he pulled out the smaller PPK(ankle holster?, secondary weapon) and continued with that the rest of the film.

Do you think Bond should see the return of the modern P99, or keep the traditional PPK? Poll would be nice if possible Mods. Thanks.

[ComplimentsOfSharky]

I don't think he ever had the P99...

If I had an arsenal at my disposal, I probably wouldn't carry around the same gun in every situation either (I'd go back to my SIG whenever I could but if I were wearing a suit something like a PPK would be nice).

Since he had the UMP in the end of CR, he probably took along the nice and small PPK as a backup (which if I recall correctly, he draws from and inside the waistband holster during the chase). That's how I rationalized it anyway.

PPK is fine for self-defence or concealed carry...I'd like Bond to pick and choose something else as the mission dictates.

[Craig is 007]

Keep the PPK, Mr. Bond.

[Righty007]

Bond never used a P99 in Quantum of Solace and I want him to use the PPK until Walther discontinues it or until the James Bond series dies. Whatever comes first.

[DamnCoffee]

Do you think Bond should see the return of the modern P99?

No, we've had it for 4 films in a row.

The PPK is a Bond staple, it was used in 18 Bond movies, I'm glad to see it back. Alot better than that bulky P99, I don't see how spys could actually use it and keep it hidden anyway.

[sharpshooter]

I'd keep the slender, traditional PPK over that bulky monstrosity any day of the week.

[QOS007]

I think for looks the PPK is great and it conceals better than the P99, but the P99 has better stopping power. I f the PPK was modernized in some way, then it would be perfect.

[Daddy Bond]

Here's a question. Who thinks Bond should carry a semi-automatic weapon as his weapon of choice?

NOTE to gun enthusiasts, I DID phrase my question using the words I did on purpose - testing the waters to check people's gun knowledge. So if you know why I phrased it and chose the words I did, don't give it away and let's see how people answer.

Should Bond carry a semi-auto gun on his person at all times? Why or why not?

[Mister Asterix]

If Bond must have a modern weapon it should be the highly concealable Walther PPS, but I’d rather him stay with the PPK.

[Daddy Bond]

Well, it's not nearly as unique looking, it has a more generic look, and it is a bigger gun. See photo comparing the two...

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I own a Bersa 380 (a copy of the Walther in many ways), and the size is perfect for concealment. So, I'd stick with the Walther, but your suggestion would be an update.

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[Bryce (003)]

Very Nice there Daddy Bond.

The PPK, much like an Aston Martin and a martini are the what I like to call the "Bond Trifecta" - Three things that should never go away.

My own PPK is chambered in .380. Only six in the clip, but with an extra in the barrel, it gives me 00-seven rounds.

Stopping power depends on your ammo, but a round is a round. It only takes one. Also, range is rarely the issue. 90% of all exchanges (with pistols) take place within twenty feet or less.

An early draft of what became QoS I happened to get a glimpse of had a line about it somewhere.

It's good to see it back and especially in Craig's hands.

[Mister Asterix]

Well, it's not nearly as unique looking, it has a more generic look, and it is a bigger gun. See photo comparing the two...

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Yeah, it’s about the size of the PPK/S, and definitely more generic. But compared to the P99, it’s much more practical for a spy.

[Daddy Bond]

Well, it's not nearly as unique looking, it has a more generic look, and it is a bigger gun. See photo comparing the two...

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Yeah, it’s about the size of the PPK/S, and definitely more generic. But compared to the P99, it’s much more practical for a spy.

Agreed.

[SolidWaffle]

The PPK is a neat gun, and Perfect Bond, but it is aging a bit... it only holds seven shots, compared to the P99's 16ish i think.

Then again the Colt .45 is from 1911.

[Dainshdude118]

PPS anyone?

[Trident]

Regarding the PPK: I'd strongly suggest to keep it, its overall size being far more practical for any concealed carry. A lack in stopping power can be countered by special ammunition. If Glaser or Gecco BAT ammo is used, I see no reason why the PPK wouldn't make up for what it lacks compared to a regular 9mm. There are doubtlessly more brands. The only issue I can see might become a problem would be feeding, but this should be avoided if the SIS armoury department keeps an eye on it.

I have nothing against the P99, SIG, S&W or H&K modern weapons. It's just a bloody nuisance whenever one of these FLAK-guns magically appears out of nowhere from under a perfectly tailored suit that previously didn't show a single dent. Why not an M16? It's really ludicrous. Every person that has to carry a gun, whether openly or covert, knows that every single ounce on these items counts. The longer the day, the more.

And please bear in mind that most of civilian law-enforcement wearing a gun covert don't really get into trouble when civillians notice. They just can show their credentials or licence and be done with. Well, Bond, or any spy for that matter, can hardly show either on his missions. If he wears and opposition notices, his cover is blown.

Generally speaking, for this very reason Bond shouldn't wear a gun on a constant basis. The number of places that is restricted by metal detectors is constantly increasing around the globe. Thus the chances to inadvertently run into such a security entrance becomes incalculably high. Just by following a suspect into an airport, a factory, any number of security conscious places, an armed Bond would become exposed. Keep the gun as a backup in a safe place and only retrieve it when you expect to need it.

[Mister Asterix]

PPS anyone?

Um...

yeah.

Sure.

[darkpath]

Here's a question. Who thinks Bond should carry a semi-automatic weapon as his weapon of choice?

NOTE to gun enthusiasts, I DID phrase my question using the words I did on purpose - testing the waters to check people's gun knowledge. So if you know why I phrased it and chose the words I did, don't give it away and let's see how people answer.

Should Bond carry a semi-auto gun on his person at all times? Why or why not?

My own thought is that Bond's weapon should be mission specific. If he is supplied with known good quality ammunition, then a semi-automatic, full automatic, or selective fire weapon is entirely reasonable; but if his mission puts him operating with locally sourced and questionably quality ammunition, then I would much prefer him use a revolver for a handgun, and either a pump or turn-bolt action for a long arm. Additionally, I recall that Gardner equipped him with a large-frame revolver as what I would call his car gun (which, if only to avoid hot spent cases bouncing around the inside of the car seems like a very sound idea to me). If Bond is required to carry a gun in his pocket, I'd likewise prefer a revolver because:

• pocket lint is less of a liability for a revolver than a semi-auto
• worst-case scenario, a revolver can be fired from within a pocket without jamming the mechanism for a second shot, if required

If Bond must have a modern weapon it should be the highly concealable Walther PPS, but I’d rather him stay with the PPK.

I concur that if Bond must have a modern weapon, the PPS is better than the P99 or PDDC; but I would make the argument that if Bond requires subsonic ammunition for use with a suppressor, then the PPK in 9mm Kurz (a.k.a. .380 ACP) makes far more sense because a subsonic load in 9mmK is not a serious power loss versus standard 9mm K loads (most of the 9mm K loads I've seen muzzle velocity figures for are subsonic; but I think I've seen some supersonic loads in 9mm K). Conversely, the 9mm Parabellum round is, for most bullet weights, a supersonic load. Loading the 9mm P to subsonic introduces a different point of aim, which impacts hit probability.

[Poker Face]

Why not a Sig P226 ? The PPk is so outdated !



It's a good choice, between the PPk and the P99.

Edited by Poker Face, 04 December 2008 - 10:44 AM.

[Righty007]

Why not a Sig P226 ? The PPk is so outdated !



It's a good choice, between the PPk and the P99.

Bond should always carry a Walther.

[darkpath]

Why not a Sig P226 ? The PPk is so outdated !



It's a good choice, between the PPk and the P99.

Bond should always carry a Walther.

I do agree that Bond should carry a Walther, to a point, as much as I do confess wishing that Walther had something in its product line akin to the excellent Kahr arms pistols. That being said, even Jeffrey Boothroyd advised Fleming to use a Smith and Wesson from time to time.

Unless I've missed something, Walther doesn't have any .38 or .357 revolvers in their lineup. Likewise, since Walther discontinued the WA2000, I'd welcome Bond using the Accuracy International Arctic Warfare when he needs to reach way out to "touch" someone. Likewise, we know that Fleming did give Bond a car gun, and I'm not persuaded that the P99 is the right pistol for the job. Given the opportunity to indulge my whim, I'd issue 007 the superb (from personal experience) Dan Wesson .445 Supermag as a car gun.

I would also say that if Bond could not carry a Walther, the Sig Sauer P230 is an excellent choice with arguably better ergonomics; but since the PPK exists, unless Bond took it off the body of a henchman, I can't see Bond using a P230 or any Sig Sauer.

[Bryce (003)]

Indeed...Indeed. Well written my friend. Personally, as revolvers go, the classic Colt Mk. IV .357 with the simple four inch barrel is both concealable and controlable but packs a punch similar to some of the smaller frame .44's and you can shoot .38 in a pinch.

As the old quote goes: "God created all men equal...Sam Colt kept 'em even."

On the more modern front, for the "pick up a 400-pound gorilla off his feet" effect, the Charter Arms Bulldog .44 snub with Talons or Glasers can stop an elephant as well as the gorilla.

or a sub-compact car.

Granted, you're limited to only five rounds, but the double-action is smooth and the single lethal. Nice control.

Problem with the Sig fitted with a silencer: Too damn long. Let us not forget the end of the novel FRWL. It's a fine pistol, but with the silencer looks like a snag waiting to happen unless you've got a scabbard break-away rig or already have it out and ready to go.

Then again, the same can be said of any pistol fitted with a silencer.

[Trident]

Problem with the Sig fitted with a silencer: Too damn long. Let us not forget the end of the novel FRWL. It's a fine pistol, but with the silencer looks like a snag waiting to happen unless you've got a scabbard break-away rig or already have it out and ready to go.

Then again, the same can be said of any pistol fitted with a silencer.

Solution: carry the firearm in the usual (not silenced) manner and only fit the silencer right before you shoot. As the silencer situation indicates that it will be in an agressive way, you'll be the one to call the shots.

[Poker Face]

Maybe in Bond 23 Daniel could carry a Beretta .22 like in LTK, but with a silencer ?

[darkpath]

Maybe in Bond 23 Daniel could carry a Beretta .22 like in LTK, but with a silencer ?

Might I be so bold (and Fleming-ish) to sugged the .25 instead. My first reason is because that's what Fleming wrote!
My second is simply that the centerfire primer is more reliable than the rimfire primer, at least in theory (though I've never seen a squib .22 from Federal, which is what I used to compete with). The weapons are nigh identical (my personal Beretta .25 looks identical to this .22) and I can't see anything obvious to differentiate the two without being able to read the markings.

[delfloria]

Wilson should go to Walther and have them update the PPK just for Bond. Great promo for all parties involved.

[Mister Asterix]

Wilson should go to Walther and have them update the PPK just for Bond. Great promo for all parties involved.

Well, there is the PPK/E. I don’t know much about it except that it essentially looks like a PPK/S but is more modern on the inside.

[Mr. Somerset]

Do you think Bond should see the return of the modern P99?

No, we've had it for 4 films in a row.

The PPK is a Bond staple, it was used in 18 Bond movies, I'm glad to see it back. Alot better than that bulky P99, I don't see how spys could actually use it and keep it hidden anyway.

I agree, the P99 just never seemed Bondian to me. I actually like the P5 from Octopussy better. But, no keep the PPK. Tha was one of my favorite surprise elements of QoS.

[Von Hammerstein]

The problem with all these modern 9mm, .40 calibre etc guns is that they all look so much like a Glock. A square chunk of plastic and metal. Nothing wrong with the Glock, but if you want that look, in the words of Tommy Lee Jones: "Get yourself a Glock and get rid that chrome plated sissy-pistol." The PPK has some sophisticated lines to it's shape. And a real secret agent would have something small he could conceal no matter what he was wearing. Keep the Walther.

[LazyAmerican24]

Am I the only one who prefers the P99. It looks a lot cooler and plus the PPK just has a wimpy look to it, as if a pellet gun packs more punch. I would like Bond to use a bigger kind of gun. It isn't impoossible to conceal a Colt .45 or a Beretta M9, what about a USP .45?