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[Eurospy]

But Earl Grey is THE proper tea indeed.

[Captain Tightpants]

APOCALYSE BOND:

Bond ventures into the Karpalov Tract, a no-man's land in the former USSR states of Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. The boundary between these two countries is disputed, and for good reason: Karpalov is a wasteland that neither country wants, but which someone has to take responsibility for. It contains a ghost city, built fifty years previously by the Soviets to test the effects of nuclear warheads against cities (ie, if one were detonated nearby). It is irradiated beyond measure, and some environmentalists rate it as the most contaminated site on the face of the planet; so much so that to spend an hour within the city limits without protection is enough to kill a man (Google Lake Karachay and you'll see what I based it on).

Bond has two objectives: firstly, to determine whether or not another Double-Oh Agent is a danger to himself and others. This agent was dispatched to infiltrate a terrorist cell looking to gather materials to construct a dirty bomb, but the agent's repeated failure to report in and complete his mission lead M to suspect that he has broken under the stress and possibly turned. Bond's second objective is to eliminate the agent if he has indeed cracked (which he has). It is implied that the agent Bond has been sent to kill has a similar backstory to Bond himself, but with a few minor alterations. In essence, he is a mirror image of Bond, and a representation of a potential future for Double-Oh Seven. Bond kills him, but takes no solace in it, and the film ends with him wondering whether someone will come for him in the same way in the future and how he will face such an outcome.

[Zorin Industries]

I found this... it's the closing scene of BOND 23.

SC 231. INT - ATATURK AIRPORT - DAY

DEPARTURE LOUNGE. BOND smiles at a KLM TICKET GIRL (27) as she stamps his passport with equal measures of flirtation and professionalism. BOND relishes the strings-free banter and glances at the bustling CROWDS idly.

Wending through the CROWDS is a suited and fey CHINESE MAN. BOND's attention fixes on the passing CHINESE MAN's path and what is inside his only luggage - a small cage housing a Persian cat.

END OF BOND 23

[Eurospy]

APOCALYSE BOND:

Bond ventures into the Karpalov Tract, a no-man's land in the former USSR states of Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. The boundary between these two countries is disputed, and for good reason: Karpalov is a wasteland that neither country wants, but which someone has to take responsibility for. It contains a ghost city, built fifty years previously by the Soviets to test the effects of nuclear warheads against cities (ie, if one were detonated nearby). It is irradiated beyond measure, and some environmentalists rate it as the most contaminated site on the face of the planet; so much so that to spend an hour within the city limits without protection is enough to kill a man (Google Lake Karachay and you'll see what I based it on).

Bond has two objectives: firstly, to determine whether or not another Double-Oh Agent is a danger to himself and others. This agent was dispatched to infiltrate a terrorist cell looking to gather materials to construct a dirty bomb, but the agent's repeated failure to report in and complete his mission lead M to suspect that he has broken under the stress and possibly turned. Bond's second objective is to eliminate the agent if he has indeed cracked (which he has). It is implied that the agent Bond has been sent to kill has a similar backstory to Bond himself, but with a few minor alterations. In essence, he is a mirror image of Bond, and a representation of a potential future for Double-Oh Seven. Bond kills him, but takes no solace in it, and the film ends with him wondering whether someone will come for him in the same way in the future and how he will face such an outcome.

Another fine idea has been added to this thread. "James Bond meets Heart of Darkness" sounds like something perfect for the Craig-Bond.

Although I'd rather wait a couple of movies more until we had yet another rogu agent.

[tdalton]

APOCALYSE BOND:

Bond ventures into the Karpalov Tract, a no-man's land in the former USSR states of Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan. The boundary between these two countries is disputed, and for good reason: Karpalov is a wasteland that neither country wants, but which someone has to take responsibility for. It contains a ghost city, built fifty years previously by the Soviets to test the effects of nuclear warheads against cities (ie, if one were detonated nearby). It is irradiated beyond measure, and some environmentalists rate it as the most contaminated site on the face of the planet; so much so that to spend an hour within the city limits without protection is enough to kill a man (Google Lake Karachay and you'll see what I based it on).

Bond has two objectives: firstly, to determine whether or not another Double-Oh Agent is a danger to himself and others. This agent was dispatched to infiltrate a terrorist cell looking to gather materials to construct a dirty bomb, but the agent's repeated failure to report in and complete his mission lead M to suspect that he has broken under the stress and possibly turned. Bond's second objective is to eliminate the agent if he has indeed cracked (which he has). It is implied that the agent Bond has been sent to kill has a similar backstory to Bond himself, but with a few minor alterations. In essence, he is a mirror image of Bond, and a representation of a potential future for Double-Oh Seven. Bond kills him, but takes no solace in it, and the film ends with him wondering whether someone will come for him in the same way in the future and how he will face such an outcome.

Another fine idea has been added to this thread. "James Bond meets Heart of Darkness" sounds like something perfect for the Craig-Bond.

Although I'd rather wait a couple of movies more until we had yet another rogu agent.

I very much like the idea as well, but it's one that would have to wait for a while just because of the overuse of the themes of betrayal and the use of rogue agents in recent films. Still a fantastic idea, though, potentially one for Craig's last film.

[Captain Tightpants]

Thanks, guys. I don't think EON would make it though - even if I were their lead writer - given the similarities to APOCALYPSE NOW. When I wrote it, I had two major ideas in mind: namely that it is what we cannot see or understand that frightens us the most, which I represented with the idea that Karpalov is uninhabitable because of the contamination; and that even good people can go bad sometimes, something which Bond cannot understand.

I don't think the person Bond has been sent to kill is really a traitor, though. He didn't actively make te decision to do so like Alec Trevalyan, nor was he coerced into it like Vesper Lynd. I see him as being an American agent sent in to detain or kill a group of Quantum members, only to learn one of them is his sister. He almost lets her escape, but at the last moment he pulls the trigger, ending her life not because she works for Quantum, but in the interests of self-preservation because letting her go would make him look culpable. He told no-one about it, and his next assignment was a deep-cover one with a group of ultra-radical domestic "freedom fighters", the Timothy McVeighs of this world; the kind of people who believe the UN is preparing to launch an invasion of America, and that the US government is doing nothing about it, so they take matters into their own hands. The agent go in with them, but over time it became too difficult where his cover ended and the real man began. Felix Leiter approaches M looking to have Bond sent in after this agent as a favour, because the CIA cannot kill American citizens (a bit of a dig at Jason Bourne). M is hesitant at first, because it's an American problem and should be dealt with by the Americas, but in the end Felix convinces her to send Bond in.

[YOLT]

Bond 23 ends with 007 caught by Quantum.

Bond 24 begins with a brainwashed Bond attempting to kill M. But recovers and finds No.1 of Quantum. Final in the "Garden of Death".

New Zealand will be great for the Garden. 10 years past from LOTR so its safer

[Eurospy]

Thanks, guys. I don't think EON would make it though - even if I were their lead writer - given the similarities to APOCALYPSE NOW. When I wrote it, I had two major ideas in mind: namely that it is what we cannot see or understand that frightens us the most, which I represented with the idea that Karpalov is uninhabitable because of the contamination; and that even good people can go bad sometimes, something which Bond cannot understand.

I don't think the person Bond has been sent to kill is really a traitor, though. He didn't actively make te decision to do so like Alec Trevalyan, nor was he coerced into it like Vesper Lynd. I see him as being an American agent sent in to detain or kill a group of Quantum members, only to learn one of them is his sister. He almost lets her escape, but at the last moment he pulls the trigger, ending her life not because she works for Quantum, but in the interests of self-preservation because letting her go would make him look culpable. He told no-one about it, and his next assignment was a deep-cover one with a group of ultra-radical domestic "freedom fighters", the Timothy McVeighs of this world; the kind of people who believe the UN is preparing to launch an invasion of America, and that the US government is doing nothing about it, so they take matters into their own hands. The agent go in with them, but over time it became too difficult where his cover ended and the real man began. Felix Leiter approaches M looking to have Bond sent in after this agent as a favour, because the CIA cannot kill American citizens (a bit of a dig at Jason Bourne). M is hesitant at first, because it's an American problem and should be dealt with by the Americas, but in the end Felix convinces her to send Bond in.

From previous posts of yours, you seem have your sights in becoming a Bond writer.
But I think one has to be asked though. And not since Michael France have they hired one who had a background in thrillers/action/etc.

Not trying to burst your bubble, though. From what I read by you so far, you can write a quite solid treatment, and that means talent.

You might increase your chances if you write a couple of specs, get at least one produced, have a well-connected agent, and have a couple of connections at EON. Not easy.

But, there was a fellow who wrote a spec for Aliens Vs. Predator from the comic book at the time. He got paid something, I think.
And Joel Silver did buy what might be a kick-bottom Wonder Woman spec (even though it was to take it from the market).

If you know the route design a path to follow along with it. If you don't know the route, then find out what the route is.

and Never Say Never.

[Captain Tightpants]

From previous posts of yours, you seem have your sights in becoming a Bond writer.

Actually I don't want to write for EON at all. I probably would if they asked me to, but it's not something I'm given to pursuing. There are two reasons why: firstly, because Bond has been a huge part of my growing-up, and I love finding out everything when I see the film. Being a part of the creative process would kind of kill that for me. Secondly, I actually like a lot of the ideas I come up with, and have designs on becoming a writer of my own work. I honestly don't think I could do Ian Fleming justice.

[Eurospy]

From previous posts of yours, you seem have your sights in becoming a Bond writer.

Actually I don't want to write for EON at all. I probably would if they asked me to, but it's not something I'm given to pursuing. There are two reasons why: firstly, because Bond has been a huge part of my growing-up, and I love finding out everything when I see the film. Being a part of the creative process would kind of kill that for me. Secondly, I actually like a lot of the ideas I come up with, and have designs on becoming a writer of my own work. I honestly don't think I could do Ian Fleming justice.

Er, again, not wanting to burst your bubble at all, far and away from it, but I don't think they'll ever ask anyone "just" because one has great ideas, no matter how great they are.

Even if one does play a bit hard to get (well, it did work for Forster and Faulks, but those are solid drama professionals).

[Captain Tightpants]

Er, again, not wanting to burst your bubble at all, far and away from it, but I don't think they'll ever ask anyone "just" because one has great ideas, no matter how great they are.

Even if one does play a bit hard to get (well, it did work for Forster and Faulks, but those are solid drama professionals).

No, I mean I want to be a professional screenwriter - problem is that I don't want to be writing for HOME AND AWAY or NEIGHBOURS fr the rest of my life, but if I were in America I'd be comepting with people who do entire university degrees on the practice when I do just six months' work - and if I were one and they asked me to, I might consider it. But if I pursue a career in screenwriting, writing a Bond film is not going to be one of my objectives. If I were like Paul Haggis and they asked me to come on-board for them, then maybe ... but I'm not going to actively seek out working for EON.

[Eurospy]

Er, again, not wanting to burst your bubble at all, far and away from it, but I don't think they'll ever ask anyone "just" because one has great ideas, no matter how great they are.

Even if one does play a bit hard to get (well, it did work for Forster and Faulks, but those are solid drama professionals).

No, I mean I want to be a professional screenwriter - problem is that I don't want to be writing for HOME AND AWAY or NEIGHBOURS fr the rest of my life, but if I were in America I'd be comepting with people who do entire university degrees on the practice when I do just six months' work - and if I were one and they asked me to, I might consider it. But if I pursue a career in screenwriting, writing a Bond film is not going to be one of my objectives. If I were like Paul Haggis and they asked me to come on-board for them, then maybe ... but I'm not going to actively seek out working for EON.

Well. I'm not Australian, but there seems to be more to that country's screen fiction than soaps. Ocean Girl is a strong example, it won a great deal of awards (if I recall right). And the fellow who made the Gabriel movie on a string budget (haven't seen it yet), in spite of gathering a few negative reviews did make a quite commendable effort. Then there's New Zealand's Peter Jackson.

And your country does have a certain screenwriting program of some sort. In spite of everything, it always seemed to me that there are much more chances in your country than in many others.

And there's an enormous quantity of talent in Hollywood who, after decades as professionals, still find their drafts many times discarded, in spite of being paid (Michael France, Ronald Bass, etc.).

[Cilogy]

For the longest time I've wanted a thrilling car chase in Ireland which ends up with either Bond or his opponent driving off the Cliffs of Moher.


Also I thought if the title is Risico, it could stand as a double meaning.

Risico obviously being a slang word for "risk" in Italian. It could also be the name of a cover company also headed up by the leader of Quantum.

For example let's say the head of Quantum had a silicon/ computer chip corporation. And let's say its in Rio, Greece.

RIo SIlicon COrporation - RI.SI.CO.

Catch my drift?

Yeah I know its silly but maybe they could so something like that.

Edited by Cilogy, 06 December 2008 - 04:08 AM.

[Eurospy]

I think the most logical way to use that title would have been to call the organization Risico instead. But I love the way Quantum sounds and rolls.

[Captain Tightpants]

How about a villain that is only Bond's adversary by circumstance? Rather than hating each other from the outset, Bond and the villain are forced into combat with one another, when normally they'd be very friendly to one another. I'm not talking about someone like Alec Trevalyan, who was Bond's best friend until he turned, but rather someone with whom Bond has a mutual respect, and would probably be good friends with them if circumstances were different.

[Eurospy]

How about a villain that is only Bond's adversary by circumstance? Rather than hating each other from the outset, Bond and the villain are forced into combat with one another, when normally they'd be very friendly to one another. I'm not talking about someone like Alec Trevalyan, who was Bond's best friend until he turned, but rather someone with whom Bond has a mutual respect, and would probably be good friends with them if circumstances were different.

I think your idea would work better in a non-Bond story, where you'd have both rivals being protagonists, sharing equal screen time.

[tdalton]

How about a villain that is only Bond's adversary by circumstance? Rather than hating each other from the outset, Bond and the villain are forced into combat with one another, when normally they'd be very friendly to one another. I'm not talking about someone like Alec Trevalyan, who was Bond's best friend until he turned, but rather someone with whom Bond has a mutual respect, and would probably be good friends with them if circumstances were different.

I think that this is a great idea.

[Agent J.Bond]

Bond 23 ends with 007 caught by Quantum.

Bond 24 begins with a brainwashed Bond attempting to kill M. But recovers and finds No.1 of Quantum. Final in the "Garden of Death".

New Zealand will be great for the Garden. 10 years past from LOTR so its safer

I like your ending idea for Bond 23, would certainly take an audience by surprise. Also, the brainwashed part for Bond 24, I think it would work perfectly for Craig.

Edited by Agent J.Bond, 07 December 2008 - 05:31 AM.

[tdalton]

Bond 23 ends with 007 caught by Quantum.

Bond 24 begins with a brainwashed Bond attempting to kill M. But recovers and finds No.1 of Quantum. Final in the "Garden of Death".

New Zealand will be great for the Garden. 10 years past from LOTR so its safer

I like your ending idea for Bond 23, would certainly take an audience by surprise. Also, the brainwashed part for Bond 24, I think it would work perfectly for Craig.

I like these ideas a lot, although I think that they would be best if they were pushed back another film (with Bond being caught by Quantum at the end of Bond 24). I think that, for the Garden of Death to be used during Craig's tenure, they would have to find a way for Craig's Bond to once again become haunted by losing Vesper, or at least find a way to bring that relationship back to the forefront of the films in order to give that particular setting and storyline the weight and emotion that it would need. Or Bond could fall in love again and have the woman once again taken away from him by Quantum (this time by the leader of the organization).

[Agent J.Bond]

Bond 23 ends with 007 caught by Quantum.

Bond 24 begins with a brainwashed Bond attempting to kill M. But recovers and finds No.1 of Quantum. Final in the "Garden of Death".

New Zealand will be great for the Garden. 10 years past from LOTR so its safer

I like your ending idea for Bond 23, would certainly take an audience by surprise. Also, the brainwashed part for Bond 24, I think it would work perfectly for Craig.

I like these ideas a lot, although I think that they would be best if they were pushed back another film (with Bond being caught by Quantum at the end of Bond 24). I think that, for the Garden of Death to be used during Craig's tenure, they would have to find a way for Craig's Bond to once again become haunted by losing Vesper, or at least find a way to bring that relationship back to the forefront of the films in order to give that particular setting and storyline the weight and emotion that it would need. Or Bond could fall in love again and have the woman once again taken away from him by Quantum (this time by the leader of the organization).

That's a good idea too, I wish they could make Bond 23 similar to OHMSS (not a re-make) more like the Vesper storyline and no marriage. And then I'd like to see them do faithful adaptations of YOLT and TMWTGG, of course under different titles, i.e. 'Property Of A Lady' 'Risico', 'The Hildebrand Rarity'.

[tdalton]

Bond 23 ends with 007 caught by Quantum.

Bond 24 begins with a brainwashed Bond attempting to kill M. But recovers and finds No.1 of Quantum. Final in the "Garden of Death".

New Zealand will be great for the Garden. 10 years past from LOTR so its safer

I like your ending idea for Bond 23, would certainly take an audience by surprise. Also, the brainwashed part for Bond 24, I think it would work perfectly for Craig.

I like these ideas a lot, although I think that they would be best if they were pushed back another film (with Bond being caught by Quantum at the end of Bond 24). I think that, for the Garden of Death to be used during Craig's tenure, they would have to find a way for Craig's Bond to once again become haunted by losing Vesper, or at least find a way to bring that relationship back to the forefront of the films in order to give that particular setting and storyline the weight and emotion that it would need. Or Bond could fall in love again and have the woman once again taken away from him by Quantum (this time by the leader of the organization).

That's a good idea too, I wish they could make Bond 23 similar to OHMSS (not a re-make) more like the Vesper storyline and no marriage. And then I'd like to see them do faithful adaptations of YOLT and TMWTGG, of course under different titles, i.e. 'Property Of A Lady' 'Risico', 'The Hildebrand Rarity'.

Agreed on wanting to see faithful adaptations of YOLT and TMWTGG. Both novels have some great unused elements that would work great in a film.

The way that I would go about doing this proposed storyline would be to have Bond fall in love again in Bond 24 (although with no marriage), and then have her meet her end at the hands of the leader (or one of the leaders) of Quantum at the end of Bond 24. Bond 25 would then be titled "Shatterhand, and be an adaptation of YOLT, with Bond missing at the end of the film. Bond 26 would be an adaptation of certain elements of TMWTGG.

[Agent J.Bond]

Bond 23 ends with 007 caught by Quantum.

Bond 24 begins with a brainwashed Bond attempting to kill M. But recovers and finds No.1 of Quantum. Final in the "Garden of Death".

New Zealand will be great for the Garden. 10 years past from LOTR so its safer

I like your ending idea for Bond 23, would certainly take an audience by surprise. Also, the brainwashed part for Bond 24, I think it would work perfectly for Craig.

I like these ideas a lot, although I think that they would be best if they were pushed back another film (with Bond being caught by Quantum at the end of Bond 24). I think that, for the Garden of Death to be used during Craig's tenure, they would have to find a way for Craig's Bond to once again become haunted by losing Vesper, or at least find a way to bring that relationship back to the forefront of the films in order to give that particular setting and storyline the weight and emotion that it would need. Or Bond could fall in love again and have the woman once again taken away from him by Quantum (this time by the leader of the organization).

That's a good idea too, I wish they could make Bond 23 similar to OHMSS (not a re-make) more like the Vesper storyline and no marriage. And then I'd like to see them do faithful adaptations of YOLT and TMWTGG, of course under different titles, i.e. 'Property Of A Lady' 'Risico', 'The Hildebrand Rarity'.

Agreed on wanting to see faithful adaptations of YOLT and TMWTGG. Both novels have some great unused elements that would work great in a film.

The way that I would go about doing this proposed storyline would be to have Bond fall in love again in Bond 24 (although with no marriage), and then have her meet her end at the hands of the leader (or one of the leaders) of Quantum at the end of Bond 24. Bond 25 would then be titled "Shatterhand, and be an adaptation of YOLT, with Bond missing at the end of the film. Bond 26 would be an adaptation of certain elements of TMWTGG.

I hope EON is reading this

[Captain Tightpants]

I hope EON is reading this

You can bet they aren't.

[Agent J.Bond]

I hope EON is reading this

You can bet they aren't.

Alas, you're right.

[Captain Tightpants]

Alas, you're right.

It's for the better: if EON degenrate into fan-service, they'll never be able to make another original Bond film again - much less a good one - because they'll have to keep asking the fans what they want, and with everyone having his or her own opinion(s), it'd be a wonder if they could ever make a coherent film.

[Agent J.Bond]

Alas, you're right.

It's for the better: if EON degenrate into fan-service, they'll never be able to make another original Bond film again - much less a good one - because they'll have to keep asking the fans what they want, and with everyone having his or her own opinion(s), it'd be a wonder if they could ever make a coherent film.

Good point, plus it would be greedy just making films for the fans. Besides, the general public makes up most of the cinema audience anyway. Alienating them would be a massive mistake.

[DamnCoffee]

Something that came to my mind a few days ago, is the thought of Bond persuing a villain on a busy motorway. After he realises the villain is too far away, he climbs out of the roof of the DBS, and uses the other traffic as stepping stones.

I know this could be either really really good or really really bad. I think, if done right it would be brilliant. Cars breaking, Bond flying onto oncoming traffic, nearly going under the wheels of trucks and busses, and holding on for dear life.

[Bradley De La Cloche]

Something that came to my mind a few days ago, is the thought of Bond persuing a villain on a busy motorway. After he realises the villain is too far away, he climbs out of the roof of the DBS, and uses the other traffic as stepping stones.

I know this could be either really really good or really really bad. I think, if done right it would be brilliant. Cars breaking, Bond flying onto oncoming traffic, nearly going under the wheels of trucks and busses, and holding on for dear life.

I like that. I like that a lot.

[tdalton]

Expanding on an idea that I posted in another thread:

Title: SHATTERHAND

Cast
Daniel Craig..........James Bond
Olivia Wilde..........Gala Brand
Linus Roache..........Jack Spang
David O'Hara..........Guntram Shatterhand
Brendan Gleeson.......Seraffimo Spang
Judi Dench............M
Jesper Christensen....Mr. White
Yvonne Strahovski.....Miss Moneypenny
Simon Kassianides.....Yusef

Crew:
Directed by...........Marc Forster
Written by............Brian Helgeland & Eli Roth
Score by..............Charlie Clouser

Plot:
James Bond is sent to South Africa to investigate a massive diamond smuggling operation. He discovers that it is headed up by Jack and Seraffimo Spang, two high-ranking members of Quantum. With the help of Gala Brand, Bond follows the money trail and discovers the horrifying experiments that Quantum is funding deep in the jungles of South America, where Dr. Guntram Shatterhand operates a laboratory hidden in an old fortress. In this laboratory, Bond uncovers horrifying experiments being funded by Quantum, including a Garden of Death, where Yusef sent the agents who did not pay his blackmail demands.

Bond is captured by Shatterhand, and it while he is imprisoned in the fortress that he meets a woman who reminds him very much of Vesper Lynd. She is a treasury agent for the Australian government and, unlike Vesper, she had decided not to pay up the blackmail demand made by Yusef, and was sent to Shatterhand. When she goes missing one night, Bond finds a means of escape and goes after Shatterhand.

[YOLT]

Bond 23: The Property of a Lady: Economic crises and murder of a British CEO in S.Africa: Locations: S.Africa, Chicago (Eco-summit), Belize. The villian is a women. No.2 of Quantum.

Bond 24: Shatterhand: 007 have been taken away by Quantum and brainwashed to kill M. But he survives and tries to find Shatterhand No.1 of Quantum. Locations: London, Canada, Dubai, Japan ( using the giant squid an the "garden of death"). End of Quantum.

Bond 25: The Hildebrand Rarity: An all-European spy thriller, maybe about EU. A really stylish way to end Craig's tenure. Something like FRWL.