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[HildebrandRarity]

I'm just a dummy who's too stupid to see what a piece of Quantum really is!

Happy?

[dodge]

I'm just a dummy who's too stupid to see what a piece of Quantum really is!

Happy?

That doesn't matter to me. All I ask is that you and Judo Chop stop twisting words around. There was nothing "ill-humored", "nasty" or "dirty" in my retort. Just some clean but pointed fun with a position I take to be pompous.

[uvhadyrsix]

Elvis was all comic relief. I liked the idea that, after he's tripped down the stairs, you next see him wearing the neck brace and no one actually comments about it.
ARE YOU FAIR DINKUM

Elvis was nothing he contributed nothing, he should of been another Vargas a deadly killer, not comic relief Quantum of Solace had just enough comic relief with the old lady reacting to losing her tomatoes, we didn't need some idiot henchmen who loses his hair, are you kidding me.

With that type of character Anatole Taubman should of been in the next Clouseau film with Steve Martin and nowhere near Bond, This is Daniel Graig's time, what do people want to have a comic relief in every Bond film like the old days of MOONRAKER with a old bloke throwing his smoke at the coffin as it goes by, my only hope is there was alot on the cutting room floor of Elvis doing something, maybe even filling up Agent fields with all that oil.

Quantum Of Solace had its faults but the one that sticks out for me was Bloody Elvis, why would someone like Greene suffer this fool Elvis answer me that and has Marc Forster ever said that Elvis was the comic relief, whats next the return of Mr Kil's twin brother another wasted henchmen.

Yes its done now unfortunately fingers crossed there's a extended DVD in the future.

[Otis Fairplay]

If they bring Elvis back, perhaps he could have his own film, where his principal adversary would be Casino Royale's Agent Carter. A duel of incompenent second bananas.

Are you paying attention, Eon?

[Judo chop]

WTF? What does that have to do with this? In what way have tables turned when I did see the movie twice and still disagree with you?

I suggested that because you disliked Forster so much as a director, that you were determined to dislike Quantum of Solace, and that is why you disliked it after having seen it. I apologized for suggesting that your opinion was 'bent' and biased.

Now you're suggesting that I am making something out of nothing (Elvis' comic intention and execution) because I want QoS to be better than it is.

It's the same phenomenon at work. The accusation is: the disregarding, or deliberate misinterpretation of facts in order to prove a point we've already settled on.

And I've already gone on record in here stating that I am not offended by anything you've said to me, including even the part where you just called my views 'pompous'. To be honest dodge, I don't even know where it is that you disagree with me. I've no desire to twist words. I made my case as plainly as I can, and you went on about supposed subconcious defense-mechanisms, and analogies about ugly prom dates, which all smells like ugly diversion from the facts, to me.

[dodge]

WTF? What does that have to do with this? In what way have tables turned when I did see the movie twice and still disagree with you?

I suggested that because you disliked Forster so much as a director, that you were determined to dislike Quantum of Solace, and that is why you disliked it after having seen it. I apologized for suggesting that your opinion was 'bent' and biased.

Now you're suggesting that I am making something out of nothing (Elvis' comic intention and execution) because I want QoS to be better than it is.

It's the same phenomenon at work. The accusation is: the disregarding, or deliberate misinterpretation of facts in order to prove a point we've already settled on.

And I've already gone on record in here stating that I am not offended by anything you've said to me, including even the part where you just called my views 'pompous'. To be honest dodge, I don't even know where it is that you disagree with me. I've no desire to twist words. I made my case as plainly as I can, and you went on about supposed subconcious defense-mechanisms, and analogies about ugly prom dates, which all smells like ugly diversion from the facts, to me.

Judo, let's put our heads together and stop the bickering now. Clearly, we can never agree on the matter of Elvis as the King of Comedy. I took strong exception to your telling me that I was wrong. In the past you've always been so reasonable in your manner of disagreement that I suppose I took your general bearing as pompous. Remember, you'd also said that whether I was honest on one point was between God and me. Strong emotions have come into play. Ruffled feathers are fluttering hither and yon. I still insist that there was nothing ugly or dirty about my wicked little metaphor making QoS out to be an ugly prom date. And it wasn't a diversion, for me: it was imagistic statement of the facts as I'd come to see them.

In any case, we've each made our points forcefully. I believe our two-year friendship is strong enough to survive. I've never consciously insulted you and I accept that you've never willfully insulted me. I'm willing to move on if you are, even if it means some think I'm clearing out of Dodge. I think you're a helluva fellow. And on that point I could look the Good Lord in the eye and know I was believed.

[Judo chop]

Judo, let's put our heads together and stop the bickering now.

Gladly.

I've never consciously insulted you and I accept that you've never willfully insulted me.

1) I know and 2) you should accept knowing it’s the truth.

I'm willing to move on if you are, even if it means some think I'm clearing out of Dodge. I think you're a helluva fellow. And on that point I could look the Good Lord in the eye and know I was believed.

Thank you.

[dodge]

Judo, let's put our heads together and stop the bickering now.

Gladly.

I've never consciously insulted you and I accept that you've never willfully insulted me.

1) I know and 2) you should accept knowing it’s the truth.

I'm willing to move on if you are, even if it means some think I'm clearing out of Dodge. I think you're a helluva fellow. And on that point I could look the Good Lord in the eye and know I was believed.

Thank you.

Wanna see my new Iron Man doll later, on the porch, while we Allen Shore and Denny Crane away, smoking fat cigars?

[Judo chop]

Wanna see my new Iron Man doll later, on the porch, while we Allen Shore and Denny Crane away, smoking fat cigars?

M'yesss...

<puff>

<sip>

[HildebrandRarity]

Yeck. I'm gonna puke.

[Judo chop]

Yeck. I'm gonna puke.

Cigars too tough for your palate, huh?

[HildebrandRarity]

Yeck. I'm gonna puke.

Cigars too tough for your palate, huh?

Especially with that kissy-poo Love In you had going on there with Dodgy Dodge.

[Judo chop]

What can I say? After a few scotches and a cigar, even you look good, Hildy.

[Judo chop]

...while we Allen Shore and Denny Crane away, smoking fat cigars?

Was watching the Thanksgiving edition of BOSTON LEGAL last night and it occurred to me, dodge, why this show is so special. No other has such a dynamic blend of total seriousness and utter ridiculousness. One minute Denny is looking death in the eye, and the next minute he is proprosing to Shirley for another man. The entire show consists of a series of WTF moments. By all rights, the formula shouldn't even work. It must have looked pretty daring on paper, and frankly, I'm surprised the studio bought into it. But there it is doing its thing nonetheless, and doing it well. And I wouldn't dare suggest that it change.

Then I realized that, putting it into Bond perpsective, it's a bit like Elvis' character in a film such as QOS. He's a big ol' WTF slipped into a film that hammers repeatedly on the iron anvils of vengeance, trust, and forgiveness.

You had said that the filmmaker's intent regarding Elvis doesn't matter, but it does. If you look at Elvis as an evil Bond henchman, he fails in the worst way. You end up see a Vargas done even more poorly, as you said. But if you look at him as he should be seen, as the anti-henchman in the midst of the ultra-serious QoS, or as you'd look at Denny proposing to Shirley in the midst of MadCow disease and the Firm's bankruptcy... you might see what I see.

[dodge]

...while we Allen Shore and Denny Crane away, smoking fat cigars?

Was watching the Thanksgiving edition of BOSTON LEGAL last night and it occurred to me, dodge, why this show is so special. No other has such a dynamic blend of total seriousness and utter ridiculousness. One minute Denny is looking death in the eye, and the next minute he is proprosing to Shirley for another man. The entire show consists of a series of WTF moments. By all rights, the formula shouldn't even work. It must have looked pretty daring on paper, and frankly, I'm surprised the studio bought into it. But there it is doing its thing nonetheless, and doing it well. And I wouldn't dare suggest that it change.

Then I realized that, putting it into Bond perpsective, it's a bit like Elvis' character in a film such as QOS. He's a big ol' WTF slipped into a film that hammers repeatedly on the iron anvils of vengeance, trust, and forgiveness.

You had said that the filmmaker's intent regarding Elvis doesn't matter, but it does. If you look at Elvis as an evil Bond henchman, he fails in the worst way. You end up see a Vargas done even more poorly, as you said. But if you look at him as he should be seen, as the anti-henchman in the midst of the ultra-serious QoS, or as you'd look at Denny proposing to Shirley in the midst of MadCow disease and the Firm's bankruptcy... you might see what I see.

Sorry, I still can't see it--maybe because I've been temporarily blinded by Hilly's purple puke. Having seen the splendid photo of Greene slipping Elvis the half-eaten apple, I can see how this approach might have been terrific if this and maytbe other scenes had been left in the movie. But I'm delighted to know that you share my affection for BL. I strayed from it for a while, attempting to help get MY OWN WORST ENEMY a chance. But when I returned to BL, I saw once again the wonder of what I'd been missing. Puff-puff. Sip-sip. C'mere, you big ole tiger, you, give Dodgy Dodge a hug.

[Cody]

Another Elvis moment to watch for: while boarding the charter plane, he puts a hand on his head to make sure his hair doesn't fly off.

[Mr. Blofeld]

I might have missed most of the things mentioned here when I viewed it, but I still thought Elvis was genuinely humourous...

[Bondian]

I might have missed most of the things mentioned here when I viewed it, but I still thought Elvis was genuinely humourous...

Looks like there's been a lot of crying in the chapel, mate.

After all of this, "How Do You Think I Feel".

[byline]

At the Opera. He's up there watching the play. Loving it, in fact. He turns to the other guard to share in his appreciation and his gaze is repelled by a face of iron. He turns back to watch the opera dejected but with a face that looks like he might cry from the unearthly beauty of the performance.

I got most of the other stuff, but I confess that his facial expression here had me a bit baffled. But of course this makes perfect sense!

Four viewings in, and I've still missed the flying trousers. Ah, well, now I have an excuse to go for a fifth time.

Elvis isn't even named in the film--and don't tell me part of the fun because the issue of unnamed characters was raised with CR.

Actually, I think I heard a spot where he is: On the docks, when Elvis hands Greene a map, it sounds to me like Greene says, softly, "Merci Elvis."

Edited by byline, 29 November 2008 - 05:45 AM.

[00Twelve]

At the Opera. He's up there watching the play. Loving it, in fact. He turns to the other guard to share in his appreciation and his gaze is repelled by a face of iron. He turns back to watch the opera dejected but with a face that looks like he might cry from the unearthly beauty of the performance.

I got most of the other stuff, but I confess that his facial expression here had me a bit baffled. But of course this makes perfect sense!

Four viewings in, and I've still missed the flying trousers. Ah, well, now I have an excuse to go for a fifth time.

Just look at his legs. There are no pants!

I just about fell out.

[Judo chop]

Yep. Elvis looks like he's wearing a big ol' padded jockstrap. Black, of course. To match his tough-guy-black neckbrace.

By the way, probably the most OBVIOUS of all of Elvis' blunders went unnoticed by me until just last night. Bond gives the guard his fake Universal Exports business card. The guard reports to Elvis, who in turn then calls the number giving Bond his first big clue (the company's title appears on his super-duper caller ID).

Then Elvis proceeds to chew out the guard for not paying enough attention, or something.

Elvis isn't even named in the film--and don't tell me part of the fun because the issue of unnamed characters was raised with CR.

Actually, I think I heard a spot where he is: On the docks, when Elvis hands Greene a map, it sounds to me like Greene says, softly, "Merci Elvis."

Yes, Greene, rich in accent, mutters "Merci Elvis" on the docks, though I don't think anyone would ever pick up on it without first knowing the guy's name is Elvis. To me it only sounded like 'Elvis' because I knew that's what it was.

Again, the film demands that we pay attention, and even intends not to give up all of its secrets until we've watched it multiple times.

Some other Bond films do that to some level, though many don't. I prefer the kind that do to the kind that don't, though the optimum situation is the one we currently have where I have the choice available.

[bondrules]

I don't recall a Kraft bashing when Casino Royale came out. If Elvis was useless, IMO, Kraft was even more so.

Personally, I would have hoped for a meaner Elvis, but hey, it is what it is.

[Mr. Blofeld]

I finally noticed the de-pantsing upon second viewing; ha-ha-ha!

[byline]

At the Opera. He's up there watching the play. Loving it, in fact. He turns to the other guard to share in his appreciation and his gaze is repelled by a face of iron. He turns back to watch the opera dejected but with a face that looks like he might cry from the unearthly beauty of the performance.

I got most of the other stuff, but I confess that his facial expression here had me a bit baffled. But of course this makes perfect sense!

Four viewings in, and I've still missed the flying trousers. Ah, well, now I have an excuse to go for a fifth time.

Just look at his legs. There are no pants!

I just about fell out.

Damn, I missed the pants . . . again! Fifth viewing tonight, and I still didn't see it! I think I'm looking at the wrong thing; my eyes are always drawn to Greene running across the room. Guess I'm gonna have to see it again, LOL!

[00Twelve]

At the Opera. He's up there watching the play. Loving it, in fact. He turns to the other guard to share in his appreciation and his gaze is repelled by a face of iron. He turns back to watch the opera dejected but with a face that looks like he might cry from the unearthly beauty of the performance.

I got most of the other stuff, but I confess that his facial expression here had me a bit baffled. But of course this makes perfect sense!

Four viewings in, and I've still missed the flying trousers. Ah, well, now I have an excuse to go for a fifth time.

I just about fell out.

Damn, I missed the pants . . . again! Fifth viewing tonight, and I still didn't see it! I think I'm looking at the wrong thing; my eyes are always drawn to Greene running across the room. Guess I'm gonna have to see it again, LOL!

It's the shot *just* before the one of Greene running across the room. The one where the fire engulfs Elvis. Dude's had his pants blown off and is in undies.

Just look at his legs. There are no pants!

[Judo chop]

An excerpt from his anticipated new book How To Determine If Someone Is Not Wearing Pants:

Just look at his legs. There are no pants!

Available in stores this Christmas!

[dodge]

At the Opera. He's up there watching the play. Loving it, in fact. He turns to the other guard to share in his appreciation and his gaze is repelled by a face of iron. He turns back to watch the opera dejected but with a face that looks like he might cry from the unearthly beauty of the performance.

I got most of the other stuff, but I confess that his facial expression here had me a bit baffled. But of course this makes perfect sense!

Four viewings in, and I've still missed the flying trousers. Ah, well, now I have an excuse to go for a fifth time.

Just look at his legs. There are no pants!

I just about fell out.

Damn, I missed the pants . . . again! Fifth viewing tonight, and I still didn't see it! I think I'm looking at the wrong thing; my eyes are always drawn to Greene running across the room. Guess I'm gonna have to see it again, LOL!

For this and future Bond films you and others like myself will have to wait for the Chop Notes to tell us what we're missing.

[00Twelve]

At the Opera. He's up there watching the play. Loving it, in fact. He turns to the other guard to share in his appreciation and his gaze is repelled by a face of iron. He turns back to watch the opera dejected but with a face that looks like he might cry from the unearthly beauty of the performance.

I got most of the other stuff, but I confess that his facial expression here had me a bit baffled. But of course this makes perfect sense!

Four viewings in, and I've still missed the flying trousers. Ah, well, now I have an excuse to go for a fifth time.

Just look at his legs. There are no pants!

I just about fell out.

Damn, I missed the pants . . . again! Fifth viewing tonight, and I still didn't see it! I think I'm looking at the wrong thing; my eyes are always drawn to Greene running across the room. Guess I'm gonna have to see it again, LOL!

For this and future Bond films you and others like myself will have to wait for the Chop Notes to tell us what we're missing.

Well, I for one am not being wishful. It's there, plain as day. I promise.

And you know I wouldn't lie to you, Dodge.

[dodge]

At the Opera. He's up there watching the play. Loving it, in fact. He turns to the other guard to share in his appreciation and his gaze is repelled by a face of iron. He turns back to watch the opera dejected but with a face that looks like he might cry from the unearthly beauty of the performance.

I got most of the other stuff, but I confess that his facial expression here had me a bit baffled. But of course this makes perfect sense!

Four viewings in, and I've still missed the flying trousers. Ah, well, now I have an excuse to go for a fifth time.

Just look at his legs. There are no pants!

I just about fell out.

Damn, I missed the pants . . . again! Fifth viewing tonight, and I still didn't see it! I think I'm looking at the wrong thing; my eyes are always drawn to Greene running across the room. Guess I'm gonna have to see it again, LOL!

For this and future Bond films you and others like myself will have to wait for the Chop Notes to tell us what we're missing.

Well, I for one am not being wishful. It's there, plain as day. I promise.

And you know I wouldn't lie to you, Dodge.

00T, I don't deny that the bare legs are there. My position is that they're bare as the result of sloppy direction, not part of Marc Foster's Master Vision. Surely dissenting opinions are allowed here? I can't recall any other thread where opposing views were hammered away at so relentlessly. But we'll never give in!

[Judo chop]

00T, I don't deny that the bare legs are there. My position is that they're bare as the result of sloppy direction, not part of Marc Foster's Master Vision. Surely dissenting opinions are allowed here?

They most certainly are. Allow me to demonstrate...

I cannot comprehend your stance, and therefore cannot agree with it at all.

Hypothetically, how do you suppose that would come about, dodge? Pants flying off as a 'result of sloppy direction', I mean. What do you reckon was supposed to have happened, and how might it have gone wrong?