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[00Twelve]

White confirmed that if she hadn't killed herself, they'd have had Bond, too. Either he'd have to defect [of course not] or they'd have killed him. He didn't mind letting Bond go in Venice because Bond didn't have any info about Quantum. White didn't know about Vesper's text that revealed his cell #.

I don't follow that- if they wanted to kill him, how does Vesper killing herself stop them?
And 'when Quantum busted up Le Chiffre's party', she bargained with White to let Bond keep his life just by telling White that Bond had the money and she could get it without having to take it by force, presumably. When it's put like that you can see Bond's view on her as a 'bitch' as not being too far off the mark. Why not just tell Bond if she were under pressure from Quantum? If she actually were in love with him that would make more sense than stealing money from the government via him for some bloke that she doesn't love as much as she thought.
I've never been too happy with Vesper's motivations- it's all a little too cloudy and QoS doesn't help much.

But what else could she have done? Quantum's tracking her, so she can't just disappear. She can't seek refuge at MI6 because 1) They'd never accept her after discovering she's a double, and 2) Quantum has people inside MI6 (call that a retcon if you like). She can't run from them, she can't hide from them. If she did, they'd obviously kill her AND Bond. Bond wouldn't have taken too kindly to knowing about her being in league with Quantum had he found out before it became an endgame in Venice.

Of course she's a bitch, especially from James' point of view. But he realized in the end that she was duped into working with Quantum and also sacrificed herself so that Quantum wouldn't try to hunt him down. That's why he's content by the end of QOS. Makes sense to me, anyway.

[Bondian]

At the end of Casino Royale we see Bond at White's pad on Como. He's driven there in his new Aston Martin. He shoots White. He takes an hour or so to get White in the boot, take off his waistcoat, and pop to the hairdressers for a quick a side parting. All of which gives White's Alfa Romeo chums enough time to catch Bond up as he drives the aforementioned Aston Martin around the roads on, yes, Lake Como. There are slight flaws in the visual continuity, but I fail to see your problem with the other bits.

Have always assumed it was White who was driving into the villa.

What are you on about? He puts White in the boot in the car in the time that passes between the two films. Is that complicated?

Yes. I know that, dear boy. If you go back a little further in this thread, you'll notice I know this. Still cannot see how this can be a direct (give an hour or so) continuation of Casino Royale

Okay. Quantum of Solace is the best in the series. Now, can we be more civil?

Cheers,


Ian

[Bondian]

From the front page.

Fast-paced is a description that applies not only to the film’s storyline, but also the production schedule from the very start. As a result of the writers’ strike, the filmmakers ‘had a script but not the script they wanted’ and had to begin shooting while script writing continued.

This probably confirms why members have complained about the script and the "bad editing". Looks like it was all down to a tight production schedule.

‘We had lots of conversations,’ said Craig regarding his work relationship with Forster on Quantum of Solace. ‘Both of us agreed that we wanted to capture something about the early movies. The style of those movies was just innate. If you look at a film like Goldfinger it is kind of ridiculous but is beautifully stylish. Everyone looks fantastic and if we can achieve a little bit of that in a modern setting using modern facilities then we would have achieved that which makes it a Bond movie.’

Ah. So they were indeed trying to emulate a Connery movie. Thought so as it was so apparent.

‘They put the money up on the screen and we continue to do that now.’ -Daniel Craig

Maybe through Insurance payouts and CGI.

Craig continued: ‘Dr No, From Russia with Love and Goldfinger are all stylish movies. They went on location. They put the money up on the screen and we continue to do that now. We go on location. It’s up there and you know you are watching a movie that has cost money because hopefully it has been spent in the right place.’

Yeah. Filming in drab places must be expensive.

He went on to explain the new approach taken towards the typical “Bondian” lines in Quantum of Solace as well as the interactions between his Bond and the women he encounters.

No excuse for quoting exact lines from those old movies. Even adding a couple of words to those old quotes are unforgivable.

‘I love those lines and I think they are absolutely valid but we have to find a new way of doing them. We owe it to Bond. If you drop them in just because a member of the audience thinks that it is not a bond movie without them, they are bad gags. With good writers, and good actors we can find a way. We did it a bit with Casino and we did it a little bit with Quantum of Solace.’

Maybe you should find good writers who could write good new lines.

"We did it a bit with Casino and we did it a little bit with Quantum of Solace". Who's we? Didn't realise that actors had a vested interest in a script even though he realises "we have to find a new way of doing them".

[Major Tallon]

With a briefcase full of currency and an electronic table displaying piles of greenbacks, well obviously . . .

The money was on the screen!

[Qbranchtech]

Sorry if this has been raised before:

At the end of the film, at Kazan, Russia, Bond told M that she was right about Vesper. What was she right about?

[00Twelve]

Sorry if this has been raised before:

At the end of the film, at Kazan, Russia, Bond told M that she was right about Vesper. What was she right about?

She was right about what she'd said at the end of CR about Vesper. That Vesper had sacrificed herself to save Bond and thus her betrayal wasn't completely selfish.

[bourbon_no_ice]

I did read this entire thread so excuse me if I missed something but when Bond met up withe M in London after the interrogation scene, he said something about "passing her on the steps" and "she's lucky to be alive". I watched the movie 3 times and could not make out what was said there. Can anyone at least paraphrase it for me? What did Mitchell do when he went to check the perimeter?

Lastly, what did Camille say just before the shooting started in the airplane scene? It began with "by the way....".

[Double-Oh Agent]

I did read this entire thread so excuse me if I missed something but when Bond met up withe M in London after the interrogation scene, he said something about "passing her on the steps" and "she's lucky to be alive". I watched the movie 3 times and could not make out what was said there. Can anyone at least paraphrase it for me? What did Mitchell do when he went to check the perimeter?

When Mitchell went to check the perimeter, he killed the MI6 security guard who he left on the steps. When the shooting began, M fled the room and, in running away, passed the dead guard on those same steps. Bond's remark that M is lucky to be alive is because Mitchell missed when he shot at her before he ran out of the interrogation room. The way the film is edited, it looks like M was hit with a bullet, but in actuality, she was not. Nevertheless, she survived a brush with death.

[00Twelve]

After 4 theatrical viewings, I'm absolutely convinced that everything makes sense in the plot; However, I have just a few questions that I can't seem to answer, probably b/c I'm just thinking too hard.

1)What is Camille doing in terms of having private meetings with Greene's geologists, and why would she want to buy info about the Tiara Project? Is she just finding something that *could* lead to Medrano? I know she hasn't had a chance to meet him at this point.

2) I'm still not sure if the hook that Bond throws onto the other boat is from an anchor, or just the mooring rope that pulled away as Bond jetted off after rescuing Camille. I'm probably just thinking too hard here.

3) Haines' bodyguard wasn't with Greene & the entourage when they encountered Bond in the lobby (plus, Greene had no idea who he was when he landed on the hood). So what brings him into the chase? Are we to assume that he just heard gunfire and thought it could be a threat to Haines? Again, I'm probably thinking too hard, but it seems strange that out of the few guys who were with Greene and chasing Bond, the one guy that Bond captures is the one that just entered the chase on his own without Greene's prompting. Help?

[HildebrandRarity]

After 4 theatrical viewings, I'm absolutely convinced that everything makes sense in the plot; However, I have just a few questions that I can't seem to answer, probably b/c I'm just thinking too hard.

1)What is Camille doing in terms of having private meetings with Greene's geologists, and why would she want to buy info about the Tiara Project?

2) I'm still not sure if the hook that Bond throws onto the other boat is from an anchor, or just the mooring rope that pulled away as Bond jetted off after rescuing Camille...

3) Haines' bodyguard wasn't with Greene & the entourage when they encountered Bond in the lobby (plus, Greene had no idea who he was when he landed on the hood). So what brings him into the chase? Are we to assume that he just heard gunfire and thought it could be a threat to Haines?

1) Camille admits to Bond in the DC3 that she's Bolivian Secret Police who infiltrated Greene's organiztion by having sex with him. So she's obviously under orders to investigate the environmentalist.

2) There's an entire thread dedicated to that question.

3) You answered your own question. He's under orders by Special Branch to protect Haines. The gun shots brought him into the picture.

[stamper]

Once upon a time, when QOS ends... 007 leaves M alone in the snow while two MI6 agent goes up the stairs to grab the ugly duck who supposely seduced Vesper one film ago.

I don't know, if they have people everywhere, perhaps someone should have shot M right there, and make those incompetents agents pay for being so careless, leaving their superior alone unprotected in a deserted street in the snow, in the middle of Russia ?

What is M doing, always being on location anyway ? She is the true Bond girl of this film.

[Santa]

Lesson 2: RIDICULOUS/REDICULOUS

Bond and Camille flying over Bolivia and just happening to land in Greene's sinkhole, thereby exposing to them his entire evil plan is RIDICULOUS, not REDICULOUS.

[HildebrandRarity]

Lesson 2: RIDICULOUS/REDICULOUS

Bond and Camille flying over Bolivia and just happening to land in Greene's sinkhole, thereby exposing to them his entire evil plan is RIDICULOUS, not REDICULOUS.

It wasn't one sinkhole. Quantum had many sinkhole resevoirs. And did you miss the fact that the ONLY reason for the plane trip was for Camille to show Bond the Tiera Project? Hence the trip over the sinkholes? Hence the attack by the fighter and the chopper? You know, attack the intruders who want to discover the nature of your plan?

Makes sense? Yes? No?

And i'll refrain from making remarks about ice cream, etc.

LET ME PUT IT IN ENGLISH:

BOND ASKS CAMILLE TO SHOW HIM THE TIERA PROJECT. THE PROJECT HAS MANY SINKHOLES. THEY ARE OVER THE PROJECT. BECAUSE THEY ARE OVER THE PROJECT AND ARE IN MODE TO DISCOVER IT, THEY GET ATTACKED (AIDED BY THE OLD BOLIVIAN WHO SELLS THEM OUT BY THE PHONE CALL HE MAKES AS THE DC3 IS TAKING OFF.)

DOES THAT HELP?

[DamnCoffee]

What is M doing, always being on location anyway ? She is the true Bond girl of this film.

You didn't have a problem with her being on location in Casino Royale? They could have put her bullet through her chest when she was in the Bahamas.

Sounds like you're just making pointless arguments for the sake of it Heir Stamper.

Lesson 2: RIDICULOUS/REDICULOUS

Bond and Camille flying over Bolivia and just happening to land in Greene's sinkhole, thereby exposing to them his entire evil plan is RIDICULOUS, not REDICULOUS.

lol, yeah. But hey... that's Bond.

It's just like when Bond stumbles across Le Chiffres dossier on the MI6 Laptops. It doesn't really bother me. It moved the plot along.

[HildebrandRarity]

I think some people didn't bother to pay attention.

[The ides of Mark]

Once upon a time, when QOS ends... 007 leaves M alone in the snow while two MI6 agent goes up the stairs to grab the ugly duck who supposely seduced Vesper one film ago.

I don't know, if they have people everywhere, perhaps someone should have shot M right there, and make those incompetents agents pay for being so careless, leaving their superior alone unprotected in a deserted street in the snow, in the middle of Russia ?

What is M doing, always being on location anyway ? She is the true Bond girl of this film.

Dude, it's a Bondmovie. I know what your saying, but we seen far worse then the 'unlike facts' you pointed out. You're really picking on the wrong Bondfilm with this kind of criticism.

[Santa]

Lesson 2: RIDICULOUS/REDICULOUS

Bond and Camille flying over Bolivia and just happening to land in Greene's sinkhole, thereby exposing to them his entire evil plan is RIDICULOUS, not REDICULOUS.

It wasn't one sinkhole. Quantum had many sinkhole resevoirs. And did you miss the fact that the ONLY reason for the plane trip was for Camille to show Bond the Tiera Project? Hence the trip over the sinkholes? Hence the attack by the fighter and the chopper? You know, attack the intruders who want to discover the nature of your plan?

Makes sense? Yes? No?

And i'll refrain from making remarks about ice cream, etc.

LET ME PUT IT IN ENGLISH:

BOND ASKS CAMILLE TO SHOW HIM THE TIERA PROJECT. THE PROJECT HAS MANY SINKHOLES. THEY ARE OVER THE PROJECT. BECAUSE THEY ARE OVER THE PROJECT AND ARE IN MODE TO DISCOVER IT, THEY GET ATTACKED (AIDED BY THE OLD BOLIVIAN WHO SELLS THEM OUT BY THE PHONE CALL HE MAKES AS THE DC3 IS TAKING OFF.)

DOES THAT HELP?

The post was about spelling, not unlikely plot devices . It is an education thread, after all. And today it's chicken casserole and lemon surprise pudding, not ice-cream.

[Publius]

Lesson 2:
Bond and Camille flying over Bolivia and just happening to land in Greene's sinkhole, thereby exposing to them his entire evil plan is RIDICULOUS, not REDICULOUS.

lol, yeah. But hey... that's Bond.

It's just like when Bond stumbles across Le Chiffres dossier on the MI6 Laptops. It doesn't really bother me. It moved the plot along.

The worst offenders for me are still Bond just happening to be at Shrublands in Thunderball and Bond just happening to be in Monte Carlo in Goldeneye.

That said, I don't really mind either, and I agree with HildebrandRarity that the sinkhole situation in QoS isn't much of an offense anyway.

[HildebrandRarity]

Lesson 2: RIDICULOUS/REDICULOUS

Bond and Camille flying over Bolivia and just happening to land in Greene's sinkhole, thereby exposing to them his entire evil plan is RIDICULOUS, not REDICULOUS.

It wasn't one sinkhole. Quantum had many sinkhole resevoirs. And did you miss the fact that the ONLY reason for the plane trip was for Camille to show Bond the Tiera Project? Hence the trip over the sinkholes? Hence the attack by the fighter and the chopper? You know, attack the intruders who want to discover the nature of your plan?

Makes sense? Yes? No?

And i'll refrain from making remarks about ice cream, etc.

LET ME PUT IT IN ENGLISH:

BOND ASKS CAMILLE TO SHOW HIM THE TIERA PROJECT. THE PROJECT HAS MANY SINKHOLES. THEY ARE OVER THE PROJECT. BECAUSE THEY ARE OVER THE PROJECT AND ARE IN MODE TO DISCOVER IT, THEY GET ATTACKED (AIDED BY THE OLD BOLIVIAN WHO SELLS THEM OUT BY THE PHONE CALL HE MAKES AS THE DC3 IS TAKING OFF.)

DOES THAT HELP?

The post was about spelling, not unlikely plot devices . It is an education thread, after all. And today it's chicken casserole and lemon surprise pudding, not ice-cream.

My bad.

Ok, let's look at stamper's post, then...

I think we need a new M so leaving this M exposed in the wintry Russian night leaves open the idea that M is killed, and, hence, leaving Eon free to cast someone else for the role.

How's that, stamper?

By the way, are you up to five viewings so far?

[00Twelve]

After 4 theatrical viewings, I'm absolutely convinced that everything makes sense in the plot; However, I have just a few questions that I can't seem to answer, probably b/c I'm just thinking too hard.

1)What is Camille doing in terms of having private meetings with Greene's geologists, and why would she want to buy info about the Tiara Project?

2) I'm still not sure if the hook that Bond throws onto the other boat is from an anchor, or just the mooring rope that pulled away as Bond jetted off after rescuing Camille...

3) Haines' bodyguard wasn't with Greene & the entourage when they encountered Bond in the lobby (plus, Greene had no idea who he was when he landed on the hood). So what brings him into the chase? Are we to assume that he just heard gunfire and thought it could be a threat to Haines?

1) Camille admits to Bond in the DC3 that she's Bolivian Secret Police who infiltrated Greene's organiztion by having sex with him. So she's obviously under orders to investigate the environmentalist.

2) There's an entire thread dedicated to that question.

3) You answered your own question. He's under orders by Special Branch to protect Haines. The gun shots brought him into the picture.

1. Thank you. That totally works for me.
2. I know. I was trying to circumvent all the jabber about the merits of said chase and simply get down to the answer: anchor or something else?
3. Yeah, that's what I figured. And I'm cool on that.

QOS gets better with every viewing so far.

[Double-Oh Agent]

In the video game, I understand that Gen. Medrano's first name is Louiz. For those who have read the film script, is that the case there too? Or does he have a different name or just no first name at all? Being a completist, I like to know each characters' entire names. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

[marktmurphy]

At the end of Casino Royale we see Bond at White's pad on Como. He's driven there in his new Aston Martin. He shoots White. He takes an hour or so to get White in the boot, take off his waistcoat, and pop to the hairdressers for a quick a side parting. All of which gives White's Alfa Romeo chums enough time to catch Bond up as he drives the aforementioned Aston Martin around the roads on, yes, Lake Como. There are slight flaws in the visual continuity, but I fail to see your problem with the other bits.

Have always assumed it was White who was driving into the villa.

Where did I say it wasn't? We see his Jag arrive. Bond also arrives in his Aston, which we don't see. You can tell because they're two different cars and they look different.

What are you on about? He puts White in the boot in the car in the time that passes between the two films. Is that complicated?

Yes. I know that, dear boy. If you go back a little further in this thread, you'll notice I know this. Still cannot see how this can be a direct (give an hour or so) continuation of Casino Royale

Why. Not?

[HildebrandRarity]

At the end of Casino Royale we see Bond at White's pad on Como. He's driven there in his new Aston Martin. He shoots White...

Have always assumed it was White who was driving into the villa.

Where did I say it wasn't? We see his Jag arrive. Bond also arrives in his Aston, which we don't see. You can tell because they're two different cars and they look different.

What are you on about? He puts White in the boot in the car in the time that passes between the two films. Is that complicated?

Yes. I know that, dear boy. If you go back a little further in this thread, you'll notice I know this...

Still cannot see how this can be a direct (give an hour or so) continuation of Casino Royale

Why. Not?

...because, markt, this is the Dumb-dy de Dumb Dumb Q0S thread.

Can't you tell, old boy?

[Bondian]

At the end of Casino Royale we see Bond at White's pad on Como. He's driven there in his new Aston Martin. He shoots White. He takes an hour or so to get White in the boot, take off his waistcoat, and pop to the hairdressers for a quick a side parting. All of which gives White's Alfa Romeo chums enough time to catch Bond up as he drives the aforementioned Aston Martin around the roads on, yes, Lake Como. There are slight flaws in the visual continuity, but I fail to see your problem with the other bits.

Have always assumed it was White who was driving into the villa.

Where did I say it wasn't? We see his Jag arrive. Bond also arrives in his Aston, which we don't see. You can tell because they're two different cars and they look different.

You haven't. Until Mr. Blofeld explained that there's a cut between the two cars driving into the villa, I just couldn't see how Bond had his Aston. But wait, you say "Bond also arrives in his Aston, which we don't see. You can tell because they're two different cars and they look different."?

At the end of Casino Royale we see Bond at White's pad on Como. He's driven there in his new Aston Martin. He shoots White...

Have always assumed it was White who was driving into the villa.

Where did I say it wasn't? We see his Jag arrive. Bond also arrives in his Aston, which we don't see. You can tell because they're two different cars and they look different.

What are you on about? He puts White in the boot in the car in the time that passes between the two films. Is that complicated?

Yes. I know that, dear boy. If you go back a little further in this thread, you'll notice I know this...

Still cannot see how this can be a direct (give an hour or so) continuation of Casino Royale

Why. Not?

...because, markt, this is the Dumb-dy de Dumb Dumb Q0S thread.

Can't you tell, old boy?

Ho ho ho.

[marktmurphy]

You haven't. Until Mr. Blofeld explained that there's a cut between the two cars driving into the villa, I just couldn't see how Bond had his Aston. But wait, you say "Bond also arrives in his Aston, which we don't see. You can tell because they're two different cars and they look different."?

I'm sorry Ian, I have no idea what you're trying to say. Are you having trouble believing he arrives in a car even though we don't see him arrive in a car?