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[Col. Sun]

I did think the gunbarrel looked terrible and it did deflate the great final shot a bit. But it's only a minor thing at the end of the day.

The GB design or the fast walk?

[Safari Suit]

I am not a gubarrel coinoisseur, I can't really pinpoint why I didn't like it, I just thought it didn't come off.

[Harmsway]

It's been said that the gunbarrel logo is actually the same one from the "Another Way to Die" music video (also done by MK12), but without the blue-ish tint. Those of you who have seen the film, care to verify?

AWTD Music Video Gunbarrel

[Vauxhall]

To be honest, the gunbarrel went by so fast that I barely had time to register the design. Craig's walk was rushed, yet purposeful.

[DamnCoffee]

To be honest, the gunbarrel went by so fast that I barely had time to register the design. Craig's walk was rushed, yet purposeful.

I can see what you mean. The bloody thing went so fast I couldn't make out if the design was the classic Binder, Brosnan Kleinman, Casino Royale Kleinman, Coca Cola, Another Way To Die music video, or a completely new design.

[Mr. Somerset]

Just curious, for those who have seen it; does the final dot enlarge into the GB a'la Binder, or do the dots move entirely across the screen a'la Kleinman? I always thought that the Brosnan version reminded me of the old vhs pan and scan days were you would never see the dot enlarge.



Ot did the scene go by too fast to notice?

[Satorious]

Right then, some Gun Barrel Spoilers:

Spoiler

Only seen it once, and half the cinema seemed to be getting up to leave at that point. I really question it's placement, it felt tacked on and odd to me, would have suited the beginning much more. That aside, when I have the DVD I can fix the problem.

The main problem is that it flies past so quickly, it's barely registers in the mind. Most people were commenting more about how oddly placed it was, rather than how cool it was.

From my hazy memory (and I was trying to analyse as much as I could), the dots are pretty traditional. Arnold does a subtle variation on the theme, seemed to have a slightly different percussion, electric guitar is still used. Craig literally flies across the screen. The gun-barrel is indeed quite zoomed in. It is not like the Binder gun-barrel despite what has been said. It is closer to the Coke one (it wasn't the same), but I remember it being more angular and simplistic. Reminded me a bit of the red-gun-barrel Kleinman did for the TND teaser ("You know the rest" part). It was quite grey from memory. Craig fires one handed. I can't remember the exact pose, but it reminded me a bit of his original pose, perhaps the gun was fired a bit higher like Brosnan's.

The blood comes down very quickly like in CR (even faster) and I think it blanks out the gun-barrel (can't remember it being translucent anyway). Then the credits roll to an odd mix of some of Arnold's material from the film. The gun-barrel probably lasts little more than 10 seconds, possibly 15 tops.

ps. Having just seen comment above - from memory I believe the dots go right the way across the screen ala Kleinman, rather than having the dot expand like Binder's earlier efforts

Edited by Satorious, 03 November 2008 - 08:58 PM.

[DamnCoffee]

I think everyone is forgetting that the Gunbarrel doesn't cut straight to the credits, infact...

Spoiler

The Gunbarrel gets further and further away and it eventually turns into the 'O' of 'OF' in 'Quantum of Solace'. Yeah, thats right: The end credits get a title card.

[Pierce - Daniel]

I didn't like how close in the gunbarrel was, it was effectibely a huge white dot on the screen, Craig walks really quickly, his stance is like Connery's, a little hasty and shacky. The blood is the same as CR's just not 3D

[MattofSteel]

Is it possible that everyone's comments on how fast it seems is just a nature of being surprised to see it? 10-15 seconds seems like standard gunbarrel length to me, I've never actually timed one of them.

[DamnCoffee]

The average one is around 22 seconds. Er... I dunno how I know that.

[Matt_13]

Is the Bond theme cool at the end?

[DamnCoffee]

Is the Bond theme cool at the end?

It's basically a rehash of 'The Names Bond... James Bond', sounded great, but nothing you've not heard before.

[Matt_13]

Alright thanks Matt.

[Harmsway]

I think everyone is forgetting that the Gunbarrel doesn't cut straight to the credits, infact...

Spoiler

The Gunbarrel gets further and further away and it eventually turns into the 'O' of 'OF' in 'Quantum of Solace'. Yeah, thats right: The end credits get a title card.

That sounds terrific.

[MattofSteel]

The average one is around 22 seconds. Er... I dunno how I know that.

I won't ask . This one's 15, feels about right.

[Quantumofsolace007]

I think everyone is forgetting that the Gunbarrel doesn't cut straight to the credits, infact...

Spoiler

The Gunbarrel gets further and further away and it eventually turns into the 'O' of 'OF' in 'Quantum of Solace'. Yeah, thats right: The end credits get a title card.

that sounds AWESOME

[JimmyBond]

I think everyone is forgetting that the Gunbarrel doesn't cut straight to the credits, infact...

Spoiler

The Gunbarrel gets further and further away and it eventually turns into the 'O' of 'OF' in 'Quantum of Solace'. Yeah, thats right: The end credits get a title card.

that sounds AWESOME

That does sound indeed awesome. First time a Bond film had a title card no? I recall the credits of Dr. No having the gunbarrel logo over it but I can't recall if the title was there too.

[SPOTTER]

Can anyone explain the stance that Craig adopts in this gunbarrel? Is it like anything else we have seen from the other Bond actors?

I can't explain the stance he adopts but I think it was awful. The whole gunbarrel sequence was just something out of the Brosnan era. With CR we got something new where Craig turned and shot. QOS was just recylced crap from the past.

[Roebuck]

After the great Casino Royale title sequence I was disappointed the new guys opted for a sort of Kleinman greatest hits package. Most of this imagery we’d seen before in the Brosnan films. A film like QoS deserved something a little more in your face.

I’d forgotten they’d moved the gunbarrel. If they’d left the out completely I don’t think I’d have cared.

[tim partridge]

On top of that, Mharkin007 said it looks 'zoomed in'. Most interesting.

Yeah. I just think that you cannot see enough of the gunbarrel. Maybe it was just my cinema screen. Could anyone else see the design clearly?

You are not alone- my thoughts entirely.

[pgram]

On top of that, Mharkin007 said it looks 'zoomed in'. Most interesting.

Yeah. I just think that you cannot see enough of the gunbarrel. Maybe it was just my cinema screen. Could anyone else see the design clearly?

You are not alone- my thoughts entirely.

mine too

[Leon]

It's been said that the gunbarrel logo is actually the same one from the "Another Way to Die" music video (also done by MK12), but without the blue-ish tint. Those of you who have seen the film, care to verify?

AWTD Music Video Gunbarrel

That is definitely not how it looks in the film, although if you removed the bright, white light effect covering half of it it would be very close.

If I remember correctly the gunbarrel in Quantum of Solace has a matt finish effect with a minimal shimmer as it moves. It's got the wider-spaced rifling (unlike Casino Royale's). It's no more zoomed-in than the one from the Brosnan films:

http://upload.wikime...n_gunbarrel.jpg

Craig's stance is very similar to Dalton's:

http://farm4.static....029bec2.jpg?v=0

Only without the very bent right leg. He leans foreward into the shot somewhat the same.

[Harmsway]

It's been said that the gunbarrel logo is actually the same one from the "Another Way to Die" music video (also done by MK12), but without the blue-ish tint. Those of you who have seen the film, care to verify?

AWTD Music Video Gunbarrel

That is definitely not how it looks in the film, although if you removed the bright, white light effect covering half of it it would be very close.

Gotcha.

[David Pro]

Is there is a photo of the Quantum of Solace gun barrel sequence in the net?

[dee-bee-five]

After the great Casino Royale title sequence I was disappointed the new guys opted for a sort of Kleinman greatest hits package. Most of this imagery we’d seen before in the Brosnan films. A film like QoS deserved something a little more in your face.

I’d forgotten they’d moved the gunbarrel. If they’d left the out completely I don’t think I’d have cared.

Agreed. It only serves to remind one how passé the gunbarrel is. Time to consign it to history with fond memories.

[dutch_pepper]

The gunbarrel is just rubbish: It looks just like the Gunbarrel in 007:GoldenEye the N64 game.
The title-sequence was OK. But Daniel Kleinman has to return!!

[Mr. Somerset]

After the great Casino Royale title sequence I was disappointed the new guys opted for a sort of Kleinman greatest hits package. Most of this imagery we’d seen before in the Brosnan films. A film like QoS deserved something a little more in your face.

I’d forgotten they’d moved the gunbarrel. If they’d left the out completely I don’t think I’d have cared.

Agreed. It only serves to remind one how passé the gunbarrel is. Time to consign it to history with fond memories.

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! The beloved GB must always remain, unless the series itself is consigned to history with fond memories.

[quantumofsolace]

Bring back the traditional GB at the start of the film. Get Kleinman to do the titles.

[Satorious]

Agreed, removing the gun-barrel is crazy talk. Let's take out the theme and the main-titles whilst were at it... And why use the name James Bond in the next film, let's create a new character? There is stripping down the formula back to basics, and then there is destroying it.

This said the new gun-barrel is terrible. It's design is awful (dare I say tacky), far too quick/close. Craig deserves a better and more traditional "opening". I was looking forward to MK12's new take on things, but the more I think about it, the worse their work on this movie seems. Hopefully Kleinman will be back next time (provided he is still interested in returning). Forster, his editors and MK12 should never be allowed near a Bond film again.