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[byline]

Not sure if this has been posted already (and I apologize if this is a duplication of info), but I was reading this story in last week's The Globe and Mail (Canadian newspaper), which notes that "Quantum of Solace" was the only non-American movie to crack the top 10 earning films in Canada and the U.S. in 2008: Mamma Mia! We love U.S. fare

Canadians love their American movies. According to statistics released this week by Montreal's Zoom Services and the Motion Picture Theatre Associations of Canada, nine of the highest-grossing commercially released films in Canada in 2008 originated in the United States. Only British-originated Quantum of Solace, the 22nd of the so-called official James Bond movies, broke the U.S. stranglehold on the top 10, finishing fourth. Gross earnings of those top-10 movies in Canada totalled more than $236-million.

Here are the lists published with the story:

Top-grossing commercially released films in Canada in 2008
(in millions of Canadian dollars)

1. The Dark Knight $50.8
2. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull $28.3
3. Iron Man $26.6
4. Quantum of Solace $22.5
5. Hancock $18.9
6. Mamma Mia! $18.7
7. Wall·E $17.6
8. Sex and the City $17.6
9. Kung Fu Panda $17.3
10. Twilight $17.2

Source: Zoom Services/Motion Picture Theatre Associations of Canada

***

Top-grossing commercially released films in the United States in 2008
(in millions of U.S. dollars)

1. The Dark Knight $530.8
2. Iron Man $318.3
3. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull $317
4. Hancock $228
5. Wall·E $223.8
6. Kung Fu Panda $215.4
7. Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa $172.3
8. Quantum of Solace $161.3
9. Twilight $158.5
10. Horton Hears a Who $154.5

Source: Movie-list.com

Edited by byline, 12 January 2009 - 04:00 PM.

[kneelbeforezod]

I still don't know what Bond does that makes the last Zodiac flip in the air..

Anyone got a theory on this? I know it's off topic but I'd love to know what actually happened there.

[Bondian]

I believe the popcorn sold better than toffee.

Salted? Ah, crap. There goes my shares then.

The Popcorn sales greatly outweighed the Toffee sales. I like popcorn, toffee is crap. People mearely wanted to TRY the toffee, but most went back to the original popcorn.

But what about the toffee popcorn sales? This is a matter of life and death.

[Bonita]

Not sure if this has been posted already (and I apologize if this is a duplication of info), but I was reading this story in last week's The Globe and Mail (Canadian newspaper), which notes that "Quantum of Solace" was the only non-American movie to crack the top 10 earning films in Canada and the U.S. in 2008: Mamma Mia! We love U.S. fare

Canadians love their American movies. According to statistics released this week by Montreal's Zoom Services and the Motion Picture Theatre Associations of Canada, nine of the highest-grossing commercially released films in Canada in 2008 originated in the United States. Only British-originated Quantum of Solace, the 22nd of the so-called official James Bond movies, broke the U.S. stranglehold on the top 10, finishing fourth. Gross earnings of those top-10 movies in Canada totalled more than $236-million.

Here are the lists published with the story:

Top-grossing commercially released films in Canada in 2008
(in millions of Canadian dollars)

1. The Dark Knight $50.8
2. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull $28.3
3. Iron Man $26.6
4. Quantum of Solace $22.5
5. Hancock $18.9
6. Mamma Mia! $18.7
7. Wall·E $17.6
8. Sex and the City $17.6
9. Kung Fu Panda $17.3
10. Twilight $17.2

Source: Zoom Services/Motion Picture Theatre Associations of Canada

***

Top-grossing commercially released films in the United States in 2008
(in millions of U.S. dollars)

1. The Dark Knight $530.8
2. Iron Man $318.3
3. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull $317
4. Hancock $228
5. Wall·E $223.8
6. Kung Fu Panda $215.4
7. Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa $172.3
8. Quantum of Solace $161.3
9. Twilight $158.5
10. Horton Hears a Who $154.5

Source: Movie-list.com

This is very illuminating. I'm thrilled that Quantum did this well in Canada, but it just shows how weak it was in the US. Canadian B.O. is listed as part of the domestic box office. So, that means Bond's domestic take omitting Canada was only $139-ish by the end of the year (I know it is higher for Canada and US now).

But what these figures reveal is that Canada accounted for almost 14% of the Domestic gross of Quantum. By comparison, Canada accounted for less than 9% of the gross of Indiana Jones.

As for the weekend box office, Quantum is still playing. There are 10 shows today in the 15 mile radius from Manhattan. Only one cinema has shows all day (Regal E-Walk 13). The others are either on show or two shows. Movietickets.com no longer lists the film under its "NOW PLAYING" list.

In Los Angeles, the film has 11 shows across 5 theaters. Only the Beverly Cinema has a full complement of screenings.

So, yes, it is still playing, but it won't make much more than $1 million more.

Quantum of Solace's opening weekend accounted for 40.4% of its domestic gross.
Casino's opening accounted for 24.4%

By comparison:
Twilight: 38.4%
Iron Man: 31%
Indiana Jones: 31.6%
Mamma Mia!: 19.3%
The Dark Knight: 29.8%
Madagascar 2: 35.6%
The Incredible Hulk: 41.1%
Hellboy II: 45.5%
Bourne Ultimatum: 30.5%
Bourne Supremacy: 29.8%
Bourne Identity: 22.3%
National Treasure: Book of Secrets: 20.4%
Transformers: 21.1%

These figures are on the front page for each movie on Boxofficemojo.com

What they show is what any studio analyst will tell you: You always strive for a 35% or less drop off from opening weekend. You get close to 30%, you have good word of mouth and a hit. Above 35%, and you are not doing so hot. Even really great opening weekends - TDN, Iron Man, Transformers don't front load their grosses beyond 35% of the total take.

Keep dancing...

[Kristian]

Not sure if this has been posted already (and I apologize if this is a duplication of info), but I was reading this story in last week's The Globe and Mail (Canadian newspaper), which notes that "Quantum of Solace" was the only non-American movie to crack the top 10 earning films in Canada and the U.S. in 2008: Mamma Mia! We love U.S. fare

Canadians love their American movies. According to statistics released this week by Montreal's Zoom Services and the Motion Picture Theatre Associations of Canada, nine of the highest-grossing commercially released films in Canada in 2008 originated in the United States. Only British-originated Quantum of Solace, the 22nd of the so-called official James Bond movies, broke the U.S. stranglehold on the top 10, finishing fourth. Gross earnings of those top-10 movies in Canada totalled more than $236-million.

Here are the lists published with the story:

Top-grossing commercially released films in Canada in 2008
(in millions of Canadian dollars)

1. The Dark Knight $50.8
2. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull $28.3
3. Iron Man $26.6
4. Quantum of Solace $22.5
5. Hancock $18.9
6. Mamma Mia! $18.7
7. Wall·E $17.6
8. Sex and the City $17.6
9. Kung Fu Panda $17.3
10. Twilight $17.2

Source: Zoom Services/Motion Picture Theatre Associations of Canada

***

Top-grossing commercially released films in the United States in 2008
(in millions of U.S. dollars)

1. The Dark Knight $530.8
2. Iron Man $318.3
3. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull $317
4. Hancock $228
5. Wall·E $223.8
6. Kung Fu Panda $215.4
7. Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa $172.3
8. Quantum of Solace $161.3
9. Twilight $158.5
10. Horton Hears a Who $154.5

Source: Movie-list.com

This is very illuminating. I'm thrilled that Quantum did this well in Canada, but it just shows how weak it was in the US. Canadian B.O. is listed as part of the domestic box office. So, that means Bond's domestic take omitting Canada was only $139-ish by the end of the year (I know it is higher for Canada and US now).

But what these figures reveal is that Canada accounted for almost 14% of the Domestic gross of Quantum. By comparison, Canada accounted for less than 9% of the gross of Indiana Jones.

As for the weekend box office, Quantum is still playing. There are 10 shows today in the 15 mile radius from Manhattan. Only one cinema has shows all day (Regal E-Walk 13). The others are either on show or two shows. Movietickets.com no longer lists the film under its "NOW PLAYING" list.

In Los Angeles, the film has 11 shows across 5 theaters. Only the Beverly Cinema has a full complement of screenings.

So, yes, it is still playing, but it won't make much more than $1 million more.

Quantum of Solace's opening weekend accounted for 40.4% of its domestic gross.
Casino's opening accounted for 24.4%

By comparison:
Twilight: 38.4%
Iron Man: 31%
Indiana Jones: 31.6%
Mamma Mia!: 19.3%
The Dark Knight: 29.8%
Madagascar 2: 35.6%
The Incredible Hulk: 41.1%
Hellboy II: 45.5%
Bourne Ultimatum: 30.5%
Bourne Supremacy: 29.8%
Bourne Identity: 22.3%
National Treasure: Book of Secrets: 20.4%
Transformers: 21.1%

These figures are on the front page for each movie on Boxofficemojo.com

What they show is what any studio analyst will tell you: You always strive for a 35% or less drop off from opening weekend. You get close to 30%, you have good word of mouth and a hit. Above 35%, and you are not doing so hot. Even really great opening weekends - TDN, Iron Man, Transformers don't front load their grosses beyond 35% of the total take.

Keep dancing...

Well, I'm just happy that QOS crossed CR's limit. Yes, yes, I know. You will fire back and argue that technically CR made more. I don't give a #$&*@.

Keep spinning...

[blueman]

That seems a pretty broad range for those films, the first weekend %s. Aren't all considered hits? Isn't Twilight getting a sequel? And: the three fall/winter releases - Twilight, Madagascar 2, and QOS - all had multipliers of 35% or higher. Wonder what the suits make of that...?

[Bonita]

Actual figures for this weekend are in.

QoS played on 357 theaters (a loss of 534) and earned $380,050. Enough to make it the #1 Bond on Mojo too. It was 24th overall in terms of box-office. BOM lists its total as $167,535,553 as of Sun 11 January 2009.

http://www.boxoffice...d=jamesbond.htm

Just saw that. CR only dropped into the 300-thousand range at the beginning of February 2007, and stayed in that range for four weekends.

Kristen,

No spinning here. Loved the film. It does now have the honor of outgrossing CR in the US. It got fewer viewers, though. I'm just frustrated that it was so close to being a breakthrough (and I'm not the only one). But my enjoyment of the film is not diminished by that.

Keep dancing...

[Bonita]

That seems a pretty broad range for those films, the first weekend %s. Aren't all considered hits? Isn't Twilight getting a sequel? And: the three fall/winter releases - Twilight, Madagascar 2, and QOS - all had multipliers of 35% or higher. Wonder what the suits make of that...?

Twilight cost very little compared to its gross (box office mojo has it at $37 million). Let's say the studio pockets 1/3 of the worldwide gross. That's still going to be $100 mil, BEFORE home video. Profit so far - hmmm - maybe $63 million! Yeah, I'd make a sequel, too.

I'd make another Bond, as well. But the equation with $200 mil. budget is quite different. 1/3 of $550 mil. = $183 million. Hmmm. Now you are $17 million in the hole. And remember, all the profits are shared between Columbia (distributor), MGM (studio) and Eon (production company) in a complex and interdependent way that makes the profits somewhat fluid. AND Fox will have all the Home Entertainment rights through MGM. Sony's out of that picture.

Now the film will make money. And my 1/3 figure is a vast oversimplification of how and when the profit break. But you give me a film that makes four times its cost in domestic theatrical gross, even if it's just on opening day and never sells another ticket, and I'm a happy studio. You take a $200 mil. film and gross $167 mil. domestic, it's just not quite as exciting.

Keep dancing...

[blueman]

Doesn't really answer the "Why?" question, but still interesting.

[jamie00007]

I'd make another Bond, as well. But the equation with $200 mil. budget is quite different. 1/3 of $550 mil. = $183 million. Hmmm. Now you are $17 million in the hole.

They arent in the hole at all, the reason that we are seeing such monster budgets is because movies no longer have to have their costs covered by the cinema. Its been estimated that studios are now making DOUBLE the amount of money a movie makes at the boxoffice on DVD. And thats not even counting broadcast and cable rights.

So thats two times $183 million = 366 million from the home market + $183 million from the cinema. Thats $549 million on a $200 million investment. They are $349 million in the black. Not counting television rights, the videogame or other merchandise and endorsements.

And those are figures for a typical mainstream movie. I would say a movie that has a fanbase and brand name like Bond and is a part of such a large franchise would make even more when it comes to DVD sales, not to mention that such movies are very durable and will be making millions even years from now.

Edited by jamie00007, 13 January 2009 - 03:32 AM.

[Bonita]

I'd make another Bond, as well. But the equation with $200 mil. budget is quite different. 1/3 of $550 mil. = $183 million. Hmmm. Now you are $17 million in the hole.

They arent in the hole at all, the reason that we are seeing such monster budgets is because movies no longer have to have their costs covered by the cinema. Its been estimated that studios are now making DOUBLE the amount of money a movie makes at the boxoffice on DVD. And thats not even counting broadcast and cable rights.

So thats two times $183 million = 366 million on a 200 million investment. They are $166 million in the black. Not counting television rights, the videogame or other merchandice and endorsements.

And those are figures for a typical mainstream movie. I would say a movie that that has a fanbase and brand name like Bond and is a part of such a large franchise would make even more when it comes to DVD sales, not to mention that such movies are very durable and will be making millions even years from now.

A good point, but the figures you cite are somewhat of an oversimplification of the numbers as I understand them (and I'm not claiming to be a genius on this). The notion is that on most movies you make double the *profit* in home entertainment. Not double the *gross*. We are looking at every cent spent at the ticket counter, not every cent that Sony gets back after the theater owners take their share.

But, yes, no one is saying anyone is going broke off of Quantum of Solace's budget. But you don't make the DVD money until the film comes out on DVD. Nor the television money until the sale is made and the contract fulfilled. The longer you wait, the more interest you pay on that $200 million debt (or interest you lose if you had it sitting in cash). So Sony doesn't have all that money right now. And, yes, Bond's franchise helps sell all the Bonds. A View to a Kill is sold in a box with other Bonds that will be more popular. Bond marathons are packages sold to networks. All agreed. None of this changes the assessment of each film's performance at the box office.

According to James Bond: The Legacy, UA had a big meeting to figure out how to bring Bond back after OHMSS's performance. Of course, OHMSS was the number 2 film of the year. But it was a rousing disappointment for what it's potential should have been, grossing almost an order of magnitude less than YOLT in '67.

Now, Quantum is NOT a disappointment on that scale. But it is a film Sony hoped would go much bigger. It will make money. They will make another Bond. I hope it is at least as good.

As to why none of the other Christmas films had better opening weekend / total gross ratios? I'd look at Marley & Me. It is still going strong (over $11 mil this weekend) and its ratio is already under 30% just three weeks in. The Curious Case of Benjamin Button has a made 28% of its total so far on opening weekend (and is still going strong - week #3 and at $9 mil). Next weekend is a holiday weekend and both those films are poised to do very well. Button will almost certainly get Oscar nominations. But I keep hearing people tell me how much they love these films. I've heard some raves for Gran Tornino. It will be interesting to see how it holds on.

Now none of these films made $70 million opening weekend. Which is a very valid point to make, too.

Keep dancing...

[Elvenstar]

Well, I'm just happy that QOS crossed CR's limit. Yes, yes, I know. You will fire back and argue that technically CR made more. I don't give a #$&*@.

Keep spinning...

Same with me. But anyway it's quite interesting read about %s, rates, admissions etc etc etc.
Of course most of us would prefer Qos to have WOM, critical acclaim and BO of TDK but I just adore QOS (dont give a damn about TDK as a film) so the main thing is we get the next film and it will be interesting to know what direction they will decide to take, will they listen to critics and make a typical Bondmovie etc etc.
1 thing that I secretly hoped 4 is the beating of Mamma mia! but it's impossible now unfortunately...
Can't wait for the Japan release.

Edited by Elvenstar, 13 January 2009 - 07:59 AM.

[blueman]

I think QOS beat TDK in Sweden...? And a few other countries too, not everybody slobbered all over that godawful film.

[blueman]

Interesting:

Here's the lastest admissions ranking (worldwide, via some dude over at MI:6, so FWIW), in millions.

1. Thunderball - 166.0
2. Goldfinger - 130.1
3. From Russia with Love - 95.3
4. Live and Let Die - 91.6
5. You Only Live Twice - 91.5
6. Casino Royale - 91.5
7. Moonraker - 85.1
8. The Spy Who Loved Me - 84.0
9. GoldenEye - 81.2
10. Die Another Day - 78.6
11. Quantum of Solace - 77.5
12. The World Is Not Enough - 77.1
13. Tomorrow Never Dies - 75.5
14. For Your Eyes Only - 72.9
15. Dr. No - 72.1
16. Diamonds Are Forever - 70.3
17. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 62.4
18. Octopussy - 59.5
19. The Man with the Golden Gun - 51.6
20. The Living Daylights - 48.9
21. A View to a Kill - 44.5
22. Licence to Kill - 39.1

(this is a different listing than I'd seen, so QOS is still behind DAD...)

Contrast with the BO numbers:

1) Thunderball: $989,798,019
2) Goldfinger: $950,851,612
3) You Only Live Twice: $658,440,000
4) From Russia With Love: $657,190,588
5) Live And Let Die: $647,200,000
6) Casino Royale: $642,322,532
7) Dr. No: $602,478,011
8) Moonraker: $593,196,812
9) The Spy Who Loved Me: $588,624,215
10) GoldenEye: $580,608,243
11) Quantum of Solace: $549,601,400
12) Die Another Day: $526,359,783
13) Tomorrow Never Dies: $523,679,798
14) The World Is Not Enough: $504,144,305
15) Diamonds Are Forever: $497,745,454
16) For Your Eyes Only: $497,382,733
17) Octopussy: $421,428,571
18) On Her Majesty's Secret Service: $408,845,070
19) The Man With The Golden Gun: $369,522,994
20) The Living Daylights: $346,213,810
21) A View To A Kill: $304,396,044
22) Licence To Kill: $278,504,399

DN moves way up, DAF too, even TND edges out TWINE and almost beats DAD. Says quite abit about those darn currency fluctuations IMO.

[YOLT]

Interesting:

Here's the lastest admissions ranking (worldwide, via some dude over at MI:6, so FWIW), in millions.

1. Thunderball - 166.0
2. Goldfinger - 130.1
3. From Russia with Love - 95.3
4. Live and Let Die - 91.6
5. You Only Live Twice - 91.5
6. Casino Royale - 91.5
7. Moonraker - 85.1
8. The Spy Who Loved Me - 84.0
9. GoldenEye - 81.2
10. Die Another Day - 78.6
11. Quantum of Solace - 77.5
12. The World Is Not Enough - 77.1
13. Tomorrow Never Dies - 75.5
14. For Your Eyes Only - 72.9
15. Dr. No - 72.1
16. Diamonds Are Forever - 70.3
17. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 62.4
18. Octopussy - 59.5
19. The Man with the Golden Gun - 51.6
20. The Living Daylights - 48.9
21. A View to a Kill - 44.5
22. Licence to Kill - 39.1

(this is a different listing than I'd seen, so QOS is still behind DAD...)

Contrast with the BO numbers:

1) Thunderball: $989,798,019
2) Goldfinger: $950,851,612
3) You Only Live Twice: $658,440,000
4) From Russia With Love: $657,190,588
5) Live And Let Die: $647,200,000
6) Casino Royale: $642,322,532
7) Dr. No: $602,478,011
8) Moonraker: $593,196,812
9) The Spy Who Loved Me: $588,624,215
10) GoldenEye: $580,608,243
11) Quantum of Solace: $549,601,400
12) Die Another Day: $526,359,783
13) Tomorrow Never Dies: $523,679,798
14) The World Is Not Enough: $504,144,305
15) Diamonds Are Forever: $497,745,454
16) For Your Eyes Only: $497,382,733
17) Octopussy: $421,428,571
18) On Her Majesty's Secret Service: $408,845,070
19) The Man With The Golden Gun: $369,522,994
20) The Living Daylights: $346,213,810
21) A View To A Kill: $304,396,044
22) Licence To Kill: $278,504,399

DN moves way up, DAF too, even TND edges out TWINE and almost beats DAD. Says quite abit about those darn currency fluctuations IMO.

QOS will pass DAD with or even without Japan ( I dont know if these admissions are the latest ? As of 11.01.2009 ?) and my even pass GE with Japan.

[Qwerty]

UPDATED...

'Quantum of Solace' - Box Office Details

CommanderBond.net rounds up all the latest details (Updated Weekly)

[Elvenstar]

I think QOS beat TDK in Sweden...? And a few other countries too, not everybody slobbered all over that godawful film.

Very happy about this also!

In CIS TDK is 9 mil and Qos 18! It's like 7-8th place in final Top 10 BO for 2008.
Still of course there's much more praise of TDK and bashing of Qos

What about final Turkish BO, YOLT?

[HellIsHere]

Keep us dancing, LOL…

Okay, QOS cost as much as $200 million, but wasn't those costs diluted with marketing and tie-in agreements? Does anyone figure the value of those marketing agreements? $50 million? Less? More?

[YOLT]

I think QOS beat TDK in Sweden...? And a few other countries too, not everybody slobbered all over that godawful film.

Very happy about this also!

In CIS TDK is 9 mil and Qos 18! It's like 7-8th place in final Top 10 BO for 2008.
Still of course there's much more praise of TDK and bashing of Qos

What about final Turkish BO, YOLT?

Well QOS is still playing but in only 2 theathers

13 The Dark Knight WB $3,002,678 7/25
23 Quantum of Solace WB $1,862,632 11/7

http://www.boxoffice.../turkey/yearly/

This is the truth Ofcourse the appreciation of US dollar affected the result. QOS should had been 2,5m$ or even more, because the dollar changed about %30-%40 between July to November. Even so Dark Knight passed QOS.

Mind you that, there hadnt been any foreign films in the top 10. The top foreign film is :

11 Journey to the Center of the Earth Medyavizyon $3,585,149 7/18

And to note QOS passed CR both on admissions and on revenue.

[HildebrandRarity]

Not sure if this has been posted already (and I apologize if this is a duplication of info), but I was reading this story in last week's The Globe and Mail (Canadian newspaper), which notes that "Quantum of Solace" was the only non-American movie to crack the top 10 earning films in Canada and the U.S. in 2008:Here are the lists published with the story:

Top-grossing commercially released films in Canada in 2008
(in millions of Canadian dollars)

1. The Dark Knight $50.8
2. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull $28.3
3. Iron Man $26.6
4. Quantum of Solace $22.5
5. Hancock $18.9
6. Mamma Mia! $18.7
7. Wall·E $17.6
8. Sex and the City $17.6
9. Kung Fu Panda $17.3
10. Twilight $17.2

Source: Zoom Services/Motion Picture Theatre Associations of Canada

This is very illuminating. I'm thrilled that Quantum did this well in Canada, but it just shows how weak it was in the US. Canadian B.O. is listed as part of the domestic box office. So, that means Bond's domestic take omitting Canada was only $139-ish by the end of the year (I know it is higher for Canada and US now).

But what these figures reveal is that Canada accounted for almost 14% of the Domestic gross of Quantum. By comparison, Canada accounted for less than 9% of the gross of Indiana Jones.

Keep dancing...

Is it also illuminating that Canada accounted for 14 % of Casino Royale's 'domestic' box office too? I have the numbers from 2006. Casino Royale's US box office omitting Canada was also "only" $137.5-ish Mil on a similar basis. So, does that mean Casino Royale was "weak" in the US too?

Canada has always been James Bond's 6th or 7th largest market historically and, being a Commonwealth country, it has always supported James Bond more than Indiana Jones in relation to the US on a per capita basis.

It never ceases to amaze the spin you put on Q0S's success, or from your biased point of view, lack of it.

[HildebrandRarity]

Most James Bond movies have done better in Canada on a per capita basis than in the US.

Even Quantum Of Solace. Q0S was still in the Top 20 last weekend (Jan 9) in Canada - specifically at number 16 - whereas it was number 24 in the US:

http://www.tribute.c...s/boxoffice.asp


Canada is the largest and wealthiest Anglo-Saxon Commonwealth country in the world (other than the UK itself) with the Queen Of England as Head of State. So it's no surprise.

[Elvenstar]

Thanks for the info YOLT.
HAppy to see turkish films doing so well!

[kneelbeforezod]

I think QOS beat TDK in Sweden...? And a few other countries too, not everybody slobbered all over that godawful film.

Yeah cos if it isn't Bond, then it must be the enemy!!!

[YOLT]

?????

This is interesting really interesting QOS lost money in Turkey according to boxofficemojo:

30 37 Quantum of Solace WB $797 +587.1% 2 +1 $399 $1,862,632 10 UK, USA (weekend 9-11)

http://www.boxoffice...?...wk=2&p=.htm

38 30 Quantum of Solace WB $549 -31.1% 2 - $275 $1,797,564 11 UK, USA (weekend 16-18)

http://www.boxoffice...?...wk=3&p=.htm

This is just ridiculous. QOS lost about 70.000$ in Turkey because of the exchange rates. And will loose more because it will change again. What a silly thing. Why just cant they stable one rate and use it all the time ?

[Kristian]

Weekend actuals are in...

QoS did $334,824 from 329 theaters...losing only 28 theatres from the previous week and 11.8% from last weekend's gross. It placed at #30 on the chart overall.

The Mojo total has it at $168,054,668 in USA/Can.

SO can I ask a question, please? If the currency rate now were the same as in 2006 with CR, would QOS possibly be at well over $600 Million worldwide? Even with the slight underperforming in the U.S.?

Thanks. I'd like to know.

[YOLT]

Weekend actuals are in...

QoS did $334,824 from 329 theaters...losing only 28 theatres from the previous week and 11.8% from last weekend's gross. It placed at #30 on the chart overall.

The Mojo total has it at $168,054,668 in USA/Can.

SO can I ask a question, please? If the currency rate now were the same as in 2006 with CR, would QOS possibly be at well over $600 Million worldwide? Even with the slight underperforming in the U.S.?

Thanks. I'd like to know.

Ofcourse. We could had been around 650m$. Just in UK the difference is around 20m$. The revenues of QOS in Turkey had been decreased according boxofficemojo in one week about 100.000$. I think we may have seen 700m$ worldwide if the currencies were the same as of 2006.

[HildebrandRarity]

SO can I ask a question, please? If the currency rate now were the same as in 2006 with CR, would QOS possibly be at well over $600 Million worldwide?

Yes...as long as Japanese numbers come in around the same level as they did for CR.

The Pound's decline since December 2006 - which is very important because the UK is Bond's second largest market - has hurt Q0S by about $23-25 Million.

The Pound's decline during 2008, in fact, had an effect even within 2008!

NOTE how Q0S did better box office than The Dark Knight last year in the UK:

http://commanderbond.net/article/5947

The above CBn Main Page Headlines link indicates that Q0S OUT GROSSED TDK in the UK in '08, 51 Mil POUNDS to 49 Mil POUNDS.

BUT...

When the numbers were translated back for US Dollars, TDK moves ahead of Q0S:

http://www.boxoffice...intl/uk/yearly/

Why?

Because TDK was generating box office when the Pound was 2.00 (mid July 2008). By the Time Q0S was out, however, the Pound had crashed to 1.50 (mid November 2008).

Unfortunately, studios only use the exchange rate at the time the movie is out (or one month after release when the bulk of the box office has been taken) as opposed to using just one exchange rate for the entire year.

[Qwerty]

UPDATED...

'Quantum of Solace' - Box Office Details

CommanderBond.net rounds up all the latest details (Updated Weekly)

[HildebrandRarity]

But the equation with $200 mil. budget is quite different. 1/3 of $550 mil. = $183 million. Hmmm. Now you are $17 million in the hole.

Complete and utter rubbish!

Where are you getting your info, my dear Bonita?

First of all, because Craig is now bankable as James Bond, Eon got an estimated 50 Million Pounds worth of corporate revenue for QOS. (The previous record was 44 Million Pounds for Die Another Day. Because DC was unproven, CR got less of this type of income than DAD.)

When this revenue hit, the Pound was 2.00 US Dollars. That means that $200 million budget of yours was automatically cut by $100 Million to $100 Million.

Second of all, this 1/3rd number...what's that?

You would have us believe that the theatre owners in the US, UK, Germany, France, Canada, Australia, and the rest of Euroland get 2/3rds of James Bond box office?

Dream on...and In Their Dreams Only.

I don't know of a single theatre owner who gets 66.67 percent of a proven blockbuster franchise's box office...not in the free world. The most they could hope for is 50 percent. They make more money on the concessions, like popcorn, candy and pop...and they need movies like Q0S to get traffic in the door. So, they may even accept less than 50 percent.

According to known numbers, then, Q0S's budget was effectlivey cut to $100 Mil when they received the 50 Million Pounds by all those corporations which wanted their products associated with Bond 22. Ford, Heineken, Smirnoff, Omega, Sony Ericsson,Avon, Coca Cola...they all paid Eon hard Pounds, not including the money they spent marketing the movie.

On top of that, the studios get about half (not 1/3rd) of the minimum $550 Million made (with Japan still to come) excluding, say, a minor sum from the Communist Chinese. The theatre owners get the other half (not 2/3rds) of the box ofice.

So, your $17 Mil "in the hole" number is off. Way off...and the other way too. Think $175 million in profit before cable, tv, flight and dvd/blu-ray sales and rentals. And don't forget the game on DS and Xbox. The movie helped sell those games. CR, on the other hand, didn't have a game that I can recall.

Quantum is probably the most profitable James Bond movie ever in pure dollars.

They don't make James Bond movies to lose money off the bat.

Keep spinning...

[JackWade]

A fellow at MI6 claims that QOS cost Sony $400 million total to make, including marketing, so if that's true, it really throws a wrench into this profit debate.