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[HildebrandRarity]

A fellow at MI6 claims that QOS cost Sony $400 million total to make, including marketing, so if that's true, it really throws a wrench into this profit debate.

Everyone knows the Production cost was $200 Million.

Income of $50 Mil pounds (at that time equal to $100 Mil) was received from companies like Ford, Coca Col, etc. to have their Ka, Coke Zeros, etc shown in the movie.

That is pure income of $100m which reduced the cost of Production down to $100 Mil.

The marketing costs have nothing to do with Production costs. The marketing costs were not borne by Eon.

So, this individual's numbers seem like pure . I don't visit Mi6 and I can understand why.

[Kristian]

A fellow at MI6 claims that QOS cost Sony $400 million total to make, including marketing, so if that's true, it really throws a wrench into this profit debate.

That person is some pimply geek whose penis is the size of a gherkin and feels he must compensate for it by inventing spurious claims such as the above.

Or we could simply say he's full of it.

Either way... sad. Very sad.

[DamnCoffee]

Anyone see those nude pics of Olga in Maxim magazine?

Thanks for the heads up!

[HildebrandRarity]

PS Anyone see those nude pics of Olga in Maxim magazine?

I know she was on the Maxim cover when I saw it on the stands in November. Have you seen them...and if you did, did you like what you saw?

[HildebrandRarity]

Hey Dog, cud u pm me the name of the site u mod?

[blueman]

PS Anyone see those nude pics of Olga in Maxim magazine?

I know she was on the Maxim cover when I saw it on the stands in November. Have you seen them...and if you did, did you like what you saw?

This one is the Ukraine edition of Maxim, Feb 2009 edition. Yeah I saw them...and before anyone says 'but Dog Bond you're a girl...'

But Dog Bond, you're a hep chick...

[blueman]

Well if Bond has a finite audience base, as has been the case for the past decade barring new-guy entries, then there's been no "plummet" with QOS, just everybody excited and wanting to see it opening weekend. "Biggest opening for a Bond" then regular Bond numbers shouldn't be a negative IMO. But to each their own I guess.

[Qwerty]

Now on the CBn main page...

'Quantum of Solace' Has Record Bond Box Office Debut In Japan

22nd 007 film opens with $6.5 million--surpassing 'Casino Royale' record

[blueman]

Well if Bond has a finite audience base, as has been the case for the past decade barring new-guy entries, then there's been no "plummet" with QOS, just everybody excited and wanting to see it opening weekend. "Biggest opening for a Bond" then regular Bond numbers shouldn't be a negative IMO. But to each their own I guess.

Well it was still a 100% improvement over Casino Royale, which opened in Japan with only $3.2m from 443 screens but still went on to do about $19m. I'm sure many of you would hope QoS has some staying power behind it as it's the last key market.

Eh. It'll do what it will do, judging by BO in other markets = what one would expect of Bond.

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

Well if Bond has a finite audience base, as has been the case for the past decade barring new-guy entries, then there's been no "plummet" with QOS, just everybody excited and wanting to see it opening weekend. "Biggest opening for a Bond" then regular Bond numbers shouldn't be a negative IMO. But to each their own I guess.

Well it was still a 100% improvement over Casino Royale, which opened in Japan with only $3.2m from 443 screens but still went on to do about $19m. I'm sure many of you would hope QoS has some staying power behind it as it's the last key market.

Eh. It'll do what it will do, judging by BO in other markets = what one would expect of Bond.

But what really is "what one would expect of Bond"??, I think that 'concept' is little too relative and subjective. I mean, if your implying an average BO for a Bond movie, you should take to account the whole 22 pictures from EON, not just the recent ones.

However, what I can conclude, from a QOS's tendency to plummet (still waiting to see if Japan marks a exception) after successful first weekends in several markets, is that this movie, doesn't have such a good word-of-mouth as CR had it. That doesn't make QOS a big failure, is a mild success within the franchise, but that tendency indeed tells something.

And I guess as Bond fans we should expect that the movies of our favourite series has staying power at the BO, not just the average result for an EON flick (if that would be the case).

[jamie00007]

However, what I can conclude, from a QOS's tendency to plummet (still waiting to see if Japan marks a exception) after successful first weekends in several markets, is that this movie, doesn't have such a good word-of-mouth as CR had it.

I dont think it indicates anything of the sort. If it had the same opening as CR or DAD and then "plummetted" then you would have a point. But the fact is that its openings were MASSIVE in every market. Any movie with such large openings has a faster dropoff then other films. Simply, most people saw it in the first weeks. Most people dont see movies twice so there was just less people to see it later on. The fact that in some markets its BO take has surpassed CR and worldwide the movie is hot on CR's heels proves this.

"mild success" and "staying power"? The movie is still playing three months later, and even with inflation adjusted the movie is the 9th highest grossing Bond movie of all time (and still playing), making more than 13 other Bond films. If you consider it a "mild success" then the Bond movie series as a whole is less than a "mild success". Something I think we can all agree that it isnt.

[HildebrandRarity]

As reported in 'Variety'

''Sony-MGM's "Quantum of Solace" gunned down $6.5 million in Japan, the best number for a Bondpic. "Solace," which has completed its run in nearly all markets, has now grossed $391.2 million outside the United States''.

The big question is...will it stay there or 'plummet' in the second weekend as it did in other key markets?

Either way, a success in Japan and I hope they enjoyed it...

Rarity...it's invitational only

I can see it 'doing' 20 Million... Let's look up, Doggie.

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

However, what I can conclude, from a QOS's tendency to plummet (still waiting to see if Japan marks a exception) after successful first weekends in several markets, is that this movie, doesn't have such a good word-of-mouth as CR had it.

I dont think it indicates anything of the sort. If it had the same opening as CR or DAD and then "plummetted" then you would have a point. But the fact is that its openings were MASSIVE in every market. Any movie with such large openings has a faster dropoff then other films. Simply, most people saw it in the first weeks. Most people dont see movies twice so there was just less people to see it later on. The fact that in some markets its BO take has surpassed CR and worldwide the movie is hot on CR's heels proves this.

"mild success" and "staying power"? The movie is still playing three months later, and even with inflation adjusted the movie is the 9th highest grossing Bond movie of all time (and still playing), making more than 13 other Bond films. If you consider it a "mild success" then the Bond movie series as a whole is less than a "mild success". Something I think we can all agree that it isnt.

Maybe QOS's massive openings were impulsed to some extent for the success of the previous movie (CR) particularly in DVD/BD.

Anyhow, I said mild success, 'cause if it is in the 9th place, among a series of 22 movies, actually that is in the middle zone of the franchise's rank. I mean if QOS would have a spot near or within the top 5, that would be really big.

[blueman]

I mean if QOS would have a spot near or within the top 5, that would be really big.

So its success gets checked at the door because - like TND, TWINE and DAD before it - it didn't crack into the hallowed top 5? Jeesh, tough crowd. Factor in: unlike those other three modern-era follow-ups, QOS is a direct sequel with a Bond actor more controversial than any since Lazenby. Seems all things considered, QOS is one helluva success for a Bond film, but I'm just looking at the BO, and don't have any particular axe to grind.

Do you consider TND, TWINE and DAD also mild successes?

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

I mean if QOS would have a spot near or within the top 5, that would be really big.

So its success gets checked at the door because - like TND, TWINE and DAD before it - it didn't crack into the hallowed top 5? Jeesh, tough crowd. Factor in: unlike those other three modern-era follow-ups, QOS is a direct sequel with a Bond actor more controversial than any since Lazenby. Seems all things considered, QOS is one helluva success for a Bond film, but I'm just looking at the BO, and don't have any particular axe to grind.

Do you consider TND, TWINE and DAD also mild successes?

Yes, considerably...

[blueman]

I mean if QOS would have a spot near or within the top 5, that would be really big.

So its success gets checked at the door because - like TND, TWINE and DAD before it - it didn't crack into the hallowed top 5? Jeesh, tough crowd. Factor in: unlike those other three modern-era follow-ups, QOS is a direct sequel with a Bond actor more controversial than any since Lazenby. Seems all things considered, QOS is one helluva success for a Bond film, but I'm just looking at the BO, and don't have any particular axe to grind.

Do you consider TND, TWINE and DAD also mild successes?

Yes, considerably...

So all the other films ranked out of the top 5 were BO disappointments then?

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

I mean if QOS would have a spot near or within the top 5, that would be really big.

So its success gets checked at the door because - like TND, TWINE and DAD before it - it didn't crack into the hallowed top 5? Jeesh, tough crowd. Factor in: unlike those other three modern-era follow-ups, QOS is a direct sequel with a Bond actor more controversial than any since Lazenby. Seems all things considered, QOS is one helluva success for a Bond film, but I'm just looking at the BO, and don't have any particular axe to grind.

Do you consider TND, TWINE and DAD also mild successes?

Yes, considerably...

So all the other films ranked out of the top 5 were BO disappointments then?

I never said that. Mild success is not the same as disappointment.

Besides that... Craig was 'controversial' in early 2006, not in 2008 after being acclaimed for the critics and public for his performance in CR.

Edited by Mr. Arlington Beech, 26 January 2009 - 06:43 AM.

[blueman]

I mean if QOS would have a spot near or within the top 5, that would be really big.

So its success gets checked at the door because - like TND, TWINE and DAD before it - it didn't crack into the hallowed top 5? Jeesh, tough crowd. Factor in: unlike those other three modern-era follow-ups, QOS is a direct sequel with a Bond actor more controversial than any since Lazenby. Seems all things considered, QOS is one helluva success for a Bond film, but I'm just looking at the BO, and don't have any particular axe to grind.

Do you consider TND, TWINE and DAD also mild successes?

Yes, considerably...

So all the other films ranked out of the top 5 were BO disappointments then?

I never said that. Mild success is not the same as disappointment.

Besides that... Craig was 'controversial' in early 2006, not in 2008 after being acclaimed for the critics and public for his performance in CR.

So OP and FYEO aren't disappointments then for Rog? YOLT and DAF, only mild successes for Connery?

Just seems there's some bias in your approach to all this you're not acknowledging, but whatevs, different strokes.

[Col. Sun]

I got a feeling QOS is going to play very well in Japan after its big opening.

Estimated guess, another $25 million will be added to the WW Gross so it ends up around $585 million.

A pretty impressive total.

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

I mean if QOS would have a spot near or within the top 5, that would be really big.

So its success gets checked at the door because - like TND, TWINE and DAD before it - it didn't crack into the hallowed top 5? Jeesh, tough crowd. Factor in: unlike those other three modern-era follow-ups, QOS is a direct sequel with a Bond actor more controversial than any since Lazenby. Seems all things considered, QOS is one helluva success for a Bond film, but I'm just looking at the BO, and don't have any particular axe to grind.

Do you consider TND, TWINE and DAD also mild successes?

Yes, considerably...

So all the other films ranked out of the top 5 were BO disappointments then?

I never said that. Mild success is not the same as disappointment.

Besides that... Craig was 'controversial' in early 2006, not in 2008 after being acclaimed for the critics and public for his performance in CR.

So OP and FYEO aren't disappointments then for Rog? YOLT and DAF, only mild successes for Connery?

Let me see... YOLT was indeed a big success it's in the BO's (adjusted to inflation) 4th place of the series, DAF not so much but it still better slightly than QOS with its 8th spot.

And well FYEO- one of my favourite Bond flicks- is more in the mild zone, near to disappointment (as you would call it, and I don't like that much that word but I can't find a better one right now) with the 15th, while OP definitely didn't perform very well reaching just the 19th spot.

http://en.wikipedia..../Bond_23#Future

[Elvenstar]

A fellow at MI6 claims that QOS cost Sony $400 million total to make, including marketing, so if that's true, it really throws a wrench into this profit debate.

I think that Sony and EON didn't expect QOS to earn 800 mil $ ... or did they?

Very happy about Jap numbers! I hope it lasts! (can't get the desire of Qos beating Mamma Mia from my head )

[blueman]

Jeepers, ya know what "mild success" blockbuster is at $582m worldwide? Freakin' "Iron Man." QOS has a decent chance to best that (but it's a BO disappointment, no way around it).

I mean if QOS would have a spot near or within the top 5, that would be really big.

So its success gets checked at the door because - like TND, TWINE and DAD before it - it didn't crack into the hallowed top 5? Jeesh, tough crowd. Factor in: unlike those other three modern-era follow-ups, QOS is a direct sequel with a Bond actor more controversial than any since Lazenby. Seems all things considered, QOS is one helluva success for a Bond film, but I'm just looking at the BO, and don't have any particular axe to grind.

Do you consider TND, TWINE and DAD also mild successes?

Yes, considerably...

So all the other films ranked out of the top 5 were BO disappointments then?

I never said that. Mild success is not the same as disappointment.

Besides that... Craig was 'controversial' in early 2006, not in 2008 after being acclaimed for the critics and public for his performance in CR.

So OP and FYEO aren't disappointments then for Rog? YOLT and DAF, only mild successes for Connery?

Let me see... YOLT was indeed a big success it's in the BO's (adjusted to inflation) 4th place of the series, DAF not so much but it still better slightly than QOS with its 8th spot.

And well FYEO- one of my favourite Bond flicks- is more in the mild zone, near to disappointment (as you would call it, and I don't like that much that word but I can't find a better one right now) with the 15th, while OP definitely didn't perform very well reaching just the 19th spot.

http://en.wikipedia..../Bond_23#Future

But, but, YOLT and DAF - later Connery Bonds - made leass than GF and TB. Ditto Moore's later films making less than TSWLM and MR. Point is, not every Bond film considered a "big success" bested it's relatively immediate predesessors. Looking at the series as a whole, most Bond films "underperformed," yet oddly EON keeps making them. Must be a form of self-flagellation or something, all that not-meeting-expectations.

[HildebrandRarity]

Arlington, my friend, you really have a warped view of the world of movies.

The film cost only around $100 Million and will make more then $1 Billion when all the chips are counted. In case you need more understanding, $1 Billion is $1,000 Million.

So Q0S is actually an outstanding success. No other Bond movie or motion picture in 2008 had that much money given to it by multi-national conglomerates.

Use your intelligence, my friend. Look at the big picture, Arlington.

[TheLazenby]

Shame it won't beat CR now... :-( I was hoping it'd hit the big 600 mil.

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

Arlington, my friend, you really have a warped view of the world of movies.

The film cost only around $100 Million and will make more then $1 Billion when all the chips are counted. In case you need more understanding, $1 Billion is $1,000 Million.

So Q0S is actually an outstanding success. No other Bond movie or motion picture in 2008 had that much money given to it by multi-national conglomerates.

Use your intelligence, my friend. Look at the big picture, Arlington.

HildebrandRarity, always so 'polite' in your posts and 'restrained' in your judgments.
I don't going to argue with your patronizing attitude in math, until you show some maturity (anyhow, if you are actually still a child... my apologies).

If you want to believe that QOS is perfect in every aspect including BO, then you're free to think that QOS even bigger than TB at the BO, through some forced calculation of numbers. Personally I'm capable to accept that my personal tastes doesn't have to be perfects.

[HildebrandRarity]

Arlington, my friend, you really have a warped view of the world of movies.

The film cost only around $100 Million and will make more then $1 Billion when all the chips are counted. In case you need more understanding, $1 Billion is $1,000 Million.

So Q0S is actually an outstanding success. No other Bond movie or motion picture in 2008 had that much money given to it by multi-national conglomerates.

Use your intelligence, my friend. Look at the big picture, Arlington.

HildebrandRarity, always so 'polite' in your posts and 'restrained' in your judgments.
I don't going to argue with your patronizing attitude in math, until you show some maturity (anyhow, if you are actually still a child... my apologies).

If you want to believe that QOS is perfect in every aspect including BO, then you're free to think that QOS even bigger than TB at the BO, through some forced calculation of numbers. Personally I'm capable to accept that my personal tastes doesn't have to be perfects.

Yes but there's no point in comparing Thunderball to Quantum Of Solace, eventhough they are 2 of my 3 favourite Bond films.

It's like comparing Ben-Hur to Gladiator...two movies that were over 40 years apart from a box office point of view.

Thunderball had a budget of $7 million and grossed about $155 Million over months and years. It's profits (half of gross minus cost) of about $70 million were enjoyed by the participants 40 odd years ago.

Quantum only cost $100 Million and will have generated about $575 million in two or three months. It's profit (575/2 - 100) of about $185 million PLUS another $500 million to come from rentals, cable, terrestrial tv deals and in-flight deals plus first-run dvd sales and double dips, not to mention sales of the game on XBox and DS, far outsrips Thunderball profits.

You see?

Q0S is the MOST PROFITABLE BOND MOVIE EVER!

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

Jeepers, ya know what "mild success" blockbuster is at $582m worldwide? Freakin' "Iron Man." QOS has a decent chance to best that (but it's a BO disappointment, no way around it).

blueman, I don't want to sound angry but... how many times I have to tell you that 'disappointment' isn't the same as 'mild success'??!!. And then again I only have used that term to show the position (9th spot) of QOS within the Bond series BO. There's no doubt that QOS is a success in comparison to several non-Bond blockbuster-yet not that big as TDK.

PD: I think TDK is overrated. And I definitely preffer QOS, over that Nolan's work.

[Mr. Arlington Beech]

Arlington, my friend, you really have a warped view of the world of movies.

The film cost only around $100 Million and will make more then $1 Billion when all the chips are counted. In case you need more understanding, $1 Billion is $1,000 Million.

So Q0S is actually an outstanding success. No other Bond movie or motion picture in 2008 had that much money given to it by multi-national conglomerates.

Use your intelligence, my friend. Look at the big picture, Arlington.

HildebrandRarity, always so 'polite' in your posts and 'restrained' in your judgments.
I don't going to argue with your patronizing attitude in math, until you show some maturity (anyhow, if you are actually still a child... my apologies).

If you want to believe that QOS is perfect in every aspect including BO, then you're free to think that QOS even bigger than TB at the BO, through some forced calculation of numbers. Personally I'm capable to accept that my personal tastes doesn't have to be perfects.

Yes but there's no point in comparing Thunderball to Quantum Of Solace, eventhough they are 2 of my 3 favourite Bond films.

It's like comparing Ben-Hur to Gladiator...two movies that were over 40 years apart from a box office point of view.

Thunderball had a budget of $7 million and grossed about $155 Million over months and years. It's profits (half of gross minus cost) of about $70 million were enjoyed by the participants 40 odd years ago.

Quantum only cost $100 Million and will have generated about $575 million in two or three months. It's profit (575/2 - 100) of about $185 million PLUS another $500 million to come from rentals, cable, terrestrial tv deals and in-flight deals plus first-run dvd sales and double dips, not to mention sales of the game on XBox and DS, far outsrips Thunderball profits.

You see?

Q0S is the MOST PROFITABLE BOND MOVIE EVER!

Sorry to burst your bubble, but according wikipedia QOS didn't cost $100 million but $230, more than the double, as you can see.

[HildebrandRarity]

Arlington, my friend, you really have a warped view of the world of movies.

The film cost only around $100 Million and will make more then $1 Billion when all the chips are counted. In case you need more understanding, $1 Billion is $1,000 Million.

So Q0S is actually an outstanding success. No other Bond movie or motion picture in 2008 had that much money given to it by multi-national conglomerates.

Use your intelligence, my friend. Look at the big picture, Arlington.

HildebrandRarity, always so 'polite' in your posts and 'restrained' in your judgments.
I don't going to argue with your patronizing attitude in math, until you show some maturity (anyhow, if you are actually still a child... my apologies).

If you want to believe that QOS is perfect in every aspect including BO, then you're free to think that QOS even bigger than TB at the BO, through some forced calculation of numbers. Personally I'm capable to accept that my personal tastes doesn't have to be perfects.

Yes but there's no point in comparing Thunderball to Quantum Of Solace, eventhough they are 2 of my 3 favourite Bond films.

It's like comparing Ben-Hur to Gladiator...two movies that were over 40 years apart from a box office point of view.

Thunderball had a budget of $7 million and grossed about $155 Million over months and years. It's profits (half of gross minus cost) of about $70 million were enjoyed by the participants 40 odd years ago.

Quantum only cost $100 Million and will have generated about $575 million in two or three months. It's profit (575/2 - 100) of about $185 million PLUS another $500 million to come from rentals, cable, terrestrial tv deals and in-flight deals plus first-run dvd sales and double dips, not to mention sales of the game on XBox and DS, far outsrips Thunderball profits.

You see?

Q0S is the MOST PROFITABLE BOND MOVIE EVER!

Sorry to burst your bubble, but according wikipedia QOS didn't cost $100 million but $230, more than the double, as you can see.

What about the 50 Million Pounds given to Eon by the multinational corporations? When the deal was done, the Pound was 2.00 US Dollars...that's a $100 million dollar injection of cash that went to reducing the reported $200 million Production Budget.

If you have friends in accounting, they'll tell you what i'm telling you. I'm right when I say that the 50 million Pounds (100 Million Dollars) that Eon received from the corps back in 2007, reduced the buget to about $100 million...or to $130 Million tops!

And what about all the cable and dvd rentals and in-flight deals and terrestrial tv deals and video game revenue that Thunderball DID NOT GET back in 1965?

[YOLT]

As reported in 'Variety'

''Sony-MGM's "Quantum of Solace" gunned down $6.5 million in Japan, the best number for a Bondpic. "Solace," which has completed its run in nearly all markets, has now grossed $391.2 million outside the United States''.

The big question is...will it stay there or 'plummet' in the second weekend as it did in other key markets?

Either way, a success in Japan and I hope they enjoyed it...

Rarity...it's invitational only

I can see it 'doing' 20 Million... Let's look up, Doggie.

I see a 30m$ coming.