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'Quantum of Solace' - Box Office Details


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#931 Sniperscope

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Posted 10 January 2009 - 11:39 PM

It's fine with me if you don't want to compare 60's Bond popularity with the one from the current decade (personally, I don't have problems with admit that my favorite, CR, is in the sixth place of the series, surpassed for the likes of TB and even MR). However, if we're going to measure films with just two years of difference, is pretty pertinent take to account inflation, don't you think? I mean, there aren't that many differences with other elements, from 2006 to 2008 (unlike, between sixties and present, as you accurate remarked in another posts).

By the way, about the 20 something friend... are you sure that she was really educated (no offense intended)?? But C'mon!! James Bond is part of everyone's pop culture, I knew the character, before the first EON movie that I saw, and I'm still under the thirties- well, not much, but anyway-. It's like she would have told you, that never knew about the original Star Wars trilogy's existance.


Well my anecdote aside, the point I'm making is that in market like 2008's compared to 1964, there is a massive variety of films out there that vie for the consumer's buck and Bond is not the icon that he once was thanks largely to being totally absent in the 80s and not really increasing its overall popularity in the 90s. I don't even need to take into account inflation, etc. when you note the fact that there were so few new films in 1964.
Just on ranking alone, regardless of the money made, QoS ranks 7 in the US out of over 570 films released this year. QoS was up against very poor reviews, a comparatively younger consumer base, a market that is saturated with action/adventure, effects driven films and it's a franchise that has been going for over 40 years and has lost some of its propensity to surprise the jaded viewer of the 21st century.
Consider: why was CR such a success? Because it was so different to all of the Bonds in the 90s and the average cinema-goer was either only just born then or doesn't have a very long memory anyway (to wit some of those reviewers who felt the need for a recap or flashback in QoS).
Whereas GF ranks 3 in a market of about 70 films. Bondmania was taking full force, the consumer base was older perhaps a bit more sophisticated, there were very few action/adventure alternatives and the Bond style / secret agent genre was TDK of its day. It was fresh and a huge spectacle for its time! Not to mention GF was almost universally celebrated by critics upon release.
By that reckoning QoS has been a great success!

Edited by Sniperscope, 10 January 2009 - 11:43 PM.


#932 Mr. Arlington Beech

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 12:09 AM

QoS has been a great success!

Yes, QOS it has been a success, no doubt about it!, but not as big as CR, as some fans are trying to put it in this forum (probably, a little bit biased for their favouritism). And as I said earlier, my favourite is CR but that doen't prevent me to admit that it is surpassed in popularity, for the likes of TB and even MR.

This is like compare TB with YOLT, obviously the latter is a success, but not as smashing as the former.

And, by the way, I really hope that Bond 23 would be more popular at the BO that its both- direct- predecessors.

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 12:16 AM

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 12:16 AM

QoS has been a great success!

Yes, QOS it has been a success, no doubt about it!, but not as big as CR, as some fans are trying to put it in this forum (probably, a little bit biased for their favouritism). And as I said earlier, my favourite is CR but that doen't prevent me to admit that it is surpassed in popularity, for the likes of TB and even MR.

This is like compare TB with YOLT, obviously the latter is a success, but not as smashing as the former.

And, by the way, I really hope that Bond 23 would be more popular at the BO that its both- direct- predecessors.

Agreed Mr A-B. I can't wait for B23 already!

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 12:57 AM

CR-QOS doesn't seem at all like TB-YOLT, vary different contexts/approaches and vastly different BO numbers. JMHO.

Taking into account inflation, recession, exchange rates, all that money stuff, QOS isn't that far behind CR (I believe admissions are 90m for CR, and around 77m for QOS so far). Once the final totals on BO and admissions are in, I would think CR will still be slightly ahead, but again marginally - and right in line with non-CR modern-era Bonds.

That a revenge story is performing near to a love story (released back-to-back too) is remarkable IMO, and really unprecedented for Bond (EON totally avoided that possibility OHMSS-DAF). Risky, but paying off as one would expect a regular Bond would.

Nothing to see here, folks, just Bond doing Bond-type BO regardless how one feels about QOS, CR, Craig, Brosnan, the whole shebang.

#936 Mr. Arlington Beech

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 12:59 AM

I think it's fair to look at the reviews, but with a critical eye. :(

Most negative reviews of QOS mirror negative comments here (and on other fan boards), ie it just wasn't what the viewer was expecting for a Bond film. Doesn't tell me whether the film was any good or not, just reflects the reviewers' biases. That many people seemingly share the same biases is not surprising, as the film is definitely not "normal" Bond. Which IMHO is a good - no, great - thing if normal Bond means recent: the dreck of the 80s shellacked with the derivitiveness of the Brosnan films. Bring on more "abnormal" Bonds! :)


Well, QOS it does feels like a 'normal' and good- not great- Bond film to me, only that not one outstanding like let's say GF, TSWLM or CR (and I have to say that only the last one that I have mentioned is among my favourites). In fact, I have read several critics acknowledging this point, saying things like the second Craig entry is very entertaining, but nothing really memorable.

P.D: Actually Brosnan's Bond films seems 'abnormal' to me, 'cause looked like too cartoonish and self parodies versions of the character, to be watched as proper OO7's movies, IMHO.

#937 blueman

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 01:22 AM

I think it's fair to look at the reviews, but with a critical eye. :)

Most negative reviews of QOS mirror negative comments here (and on other fan boards), ie it just wasn't what the viewer was expecting for a Bond film. Doesn't tell me whether the film was any good or not, just reflects the reviewers' biases. That many people seemingly share the same biases is not surprising, as the film is definitely not "normal" Bond. Which IMHO is a good - no, great - thing if normal Bond means recent: the dreck of the 80s shellacked with the derivitiveness of the Brosnan films. Bring on more "abnormal" Bonds! :)


Well, QOS it does feels like a 'normal' and good- not great- Bond film to me, only that not one outstanding like let's say GF, TSWLM or CR (and I have to say that only the last one that I have mentioned is among my favourites). In fact, I have read several critics acknowledging this point, saying things like the second Craig entry is very entertaining, but nothing really memorable.

Yep, critics have been split on QOS, with many very upset at what they see as a Bond film w/o all the Bond bells and whistles they've come to expect. Poor babies. ;) I'd put QOS in with GF and TSWLM before CR, as Craig's first outing had that disjointed structure/non-unity of plot going on while the other three are very straight-forward (all else regarding their separate eras being equal :( ).

P.D: Actually Brosnan's Bond films seems 'abnormal' to me, 'cause looked like too cartoonish and self parodies versions of the character, to be watched as proper OO7's movies, IMHO.

Agree, but that's very much minority opinion, even within the Bond fandom (IMHO): Brosnan seems to get the benefit of the doubt being a greatest hits Bond, for better or worse.

#938 HildebrandRarity

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 01:29 AM

What about worldwide numbers, adjusted to inflation ("the big picture", to paraphrase Craig's Bond movies)??

Right now (and it's not very possible that Japan will make a huge difference on this), we got CR with US$632.5M and QOS with US$547.2M


Well, you originally and very specifically said Q0S underperformed CR (US$106 mil vs to US$80 mil) in the UK...and I explained to you what happened...that they both made the same amount of Pounds.

So, to be clear, do you now at least understand the UK numbers before we tackle the "worldwide numbers"?

Before we go to world-wide, I just want you to acknowledge and understand that Q0S and CR are neck-and-neck in the UK.

#939 Mr. Arlington Beech

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 01:36 AM

What about worldwide numbers, adjusted to inflation ("the big picture", to paraphrase Craig's Bond movies)??

Right now (and it's not very possible that Japan will make a huge difference on this), we got CR with US$632.5M and QOS with US$547.2M


Well, you originally said Q0S underperformed CR by 106 mil to 80 mil...and I explained to you what happened.

So, to be clear, do you now at least understand the UK numbers before we tackle the "worldwide numbers"?

Hahaha, I never stated that QOS "underperfomed", if you take the time to read my post with more calm, you would notice that that was a just a quote form an article form mi6.co.uk. Now... do we can finally tackle the worldwide numbers??

Edited by Mr. Arlington Beech, 11 January 2009 - 01:37 AM.


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Posted 11 January 2009 - 01:37 AM

Hahaha, I never stated that QOS "underperfomed", if you take the time to read my post with more calm, you would notice that that was a just a quote form an article form mi6.co.uk.



You're not being truthfull, Arlington. :(

I'm being very calm, Sir.

This is what you said:

Everybody is talking here about Us numbers, but what about the rest of the grosses...

Some people say that QOS underperform in the US, but I think that where really underperform is in the UK...



How can I move forward with you if you don't want to be objective and honest? :)

#941 Mr. Arlington Beech

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 01:44 AM

I just used the word underperform based on that article, and you give arguments against that article, well, that's fine with me, you have decent arguments too.

But still it seems you're avoiding to face the "big picture", the worldwide numbers.

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 01:49 AM

I just used the word underperform based on that article, and you give arguments against that article, well, that's fine with me, you have decent arguments too.

But still it seems you're avoiding to face the "big picture", the worldwide numbers.


First, you have to be honest with all of us.

If you can't be truthful, and if you refuse to understand facts and math (instead painting them as merely decent "arguments"), then why should we go beyond that?

I just pasted a direct quote from you after you denied saying/writing it.

:)

...and don't say i'm being hot-headed and not calm. I'm totally calm and cool. :(

#943 Mr. Arlington Beech

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 02:04 AM

And you go on and on with the same, I've already explained my judgment, the fact is I can't remember every little word that I have wrote.

But of course, it's more convenient for your position to be fixated in a little mistake of mine (from a little lack of good memory), than finally face the worldwide numbers that doesn't fit with your personal taste.

Edited by Mr. Arlington Beech, 11 January 2009 - 02:06 AM.


#944 HildebrandRarity

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 02:09 AM

...but before I tackle the 'wordwide' thingy, the 'bigpicture' thingy, do you understand the UK numbers?

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 02:23 AM

...but before I tackle the 'wordwide' thingy, the 'bigpicture' thingy, do you understand the UK numbers?


I understand your interpration of that....

Or do I have to say that I totally agree with you in that point, to finally tackle the worldwide numbers?? Wait, in fact, if you still avoid to go for the worldwide numbers, it's fine with me too. I already did that with Sniperscope and specially with blueman, and it was a pretty reasonable (and mature) discussion, thing that is proving to be very difficult with you.

Edited by Mr. Arlington Beech, 11 January 2009 - 02:31 AM.


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Posted 11 January 2009 - 02:35 AM

Ok, so the difference so far (because the full world-wide numbers are not in) is what again? QOS so far is $549 Million. CR was $594 Million. Difference of $45 Million. Right?

The UK differece is about $27 Million dollars, even though the two movies made the same in Pounds.

So, do you agree then, that you have to add in $27 Million into Q0S's world-wide-to-date numbers in order to "compare" it to CR's numbers?

If you do, then you have to take a $549 Million number to a $576 Million number (549+27=576) if Q0S was using the same UK Pound rate which was used for CR.

Are you with me so far, Arlington? :(

#947 blueman

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 02:36 AM

Worldwide admissions in modern era (post-LTK) are:


CR: 90.4m (ranking 6th) - remarkable numbers

GE: 81.9m (ranking 10th) - very good numbers

QOS: 76m (as of 12/30/08, ranking 11th) - best numbers of the modern era follow-ups :(

DAD: 74.3m (ranking 12th)

TND: 73.9m (ranking 13th)

TWINE: 71.2m (ranking 14th)


Even with Japan still to come, doubt QOS leapfrogs GE's 81.9m admissions. But I'm not seeing anything here that would suggest QOS didn't click with general public worldwide, only that it performed as one would expect based on immediate Bond history (expectations of Sony bigwigs notwithstanding :) ).

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 02:56 AM

Worldwide admissions in modern era (post-LTK) are:


CR: 90.4m (ranking 6th) - remarkable numbers

GE: 81.9m (ranking 10th) - very good numbers

QOS: 76m (as of 12/30/08, ranking 11th) - best numbers of the modern era follow-ups :(

DAD: 74.3m (ranking 12th)

TND: 73.9m (ranking 13th)

TWINE: 71.2m (ranking 14th)


Even with Japan still to come, doubt QOS leapfrogs GE's 81.9m admissions. But I'm not seeing anything here that would suggest QOS didn't click with general public worldwide, only that it performed as one would expect based on immediate Bond history (expectations of Sony bigwigs notwithstanding :) ).

This exposure seems pretty reasonable.

Edited by Mr. Arlington Beech, 11 January 2009 - 03:00 AM.


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Posted 11 January 2009 - 03:00 AM

I agree with this reasonable exposure.


Sensible fellow. :(

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 03:45 AM

I agree with this reasonable exposure.


Sensible fellow. :(


Are they actual admissions with the numbers from each countries tallied up?

OR

Did they do a quick-and-dirty by taking the world-wide gross and dividing by the price of an average ticket in the USA?

The first method is sensible for sure.

The second method is nonsense.

Curious to know.

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 04:09 AM

I agree with this reasonable exposure.


Sensible fellow. :(


Are they actual admissions with the numbers from each countries tallied up?

OR

Did they do a quick-and-dirty by taking the world-wide gross and dividing by the price of an average ticket in the USA?

The first method is sensible for sure.

The second methed is nonsense.

Curious to know.


No idea. Went by this (but I've seen those figures cited before, FWIW).

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 04:18 AM

I agree with this reasonable exposure.


Sensible fellow. :(


Are they actual admissions with the numbers from each countries tallied up?

OR

Did they do a quick-and-dirty by taking the world-wide gross and dividing by the price of an average ticket in the USA?

The first method is sensible for sure.

The second methed is nonsense.

Curious to know.


No idea. Went by this (but I've seen those figures cited before, FWIW).


Looks like they used the quick-and-dirty method.

#953 Mr. Arlington Beech

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 04:30 AM

I agree with this reasonable exposure.


Sensible fellow. :(


Are they actual admissions with the numbers from each countries tallied up?

OR

Did they do a quick-and-dirty by taking the world-wide gross and dividing by the price of an average ticket in the USA?

The first method is sensible for sure.

The second methed is nonsense.

Curious to know.


No idea. Went by this (but I've seen those figures cited before, FWIW).

So... HildebrandRarity, you're still working on how to figured out more favorables numbers, that could make QOS appears as more popular than it really is, worldwide. Good luck then! maybe if you try really hard, you could find a 'mathematical' way to put your favourite Bond movie as more successful at the BO than TB.

Edited by Mr. Arlington Beech, 11 January 2009 - 04:32 AM.


#954 blueman

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 04:46 AM

I agree with this reasonable exposure.


Sensible fellow. :(


Are they actual admissions with the numbers from each countries tallied up?

OR

Did they do a quick-and-dirty by taking the world-wide gross and dividing by the price of an average ticket in the USA?

The first method is sensible for sure.

The second methed is nonsense.

Curious to know.


No idea. Went by this (but I've seen those figures cited before, FWIW).


Looks like they used the quick-and-dirty method.


I was thinking "list author" would be EON? So, official maybe? But I get what you mean about the quick-and-dirty, could get some odd discrepencies that way, sure.

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 05:06 AM

I threw another $25 into the pot tonight after asking for two tickets to Seven Pounds only to have the cashier mishear me and give us a couple of tickets to Quantum of Solace.

Having now seen Seven Pounds, I can safely say that Quantum of Solace is the worthier cause.

#956 blueman

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 06:21 AM

I agree with this reasonable exposure.


Sensible fellow. :(


Are they actual admissions with the numbers from each countries tallied up?

OR

Did they do a quick-and-dirty by taking the world-wide gross and dividing by the price of an average ticket in the USA?

The first method is sensible for sure.

The second methed is nonsense.

Curious to know.


No idea. Went by this (but I've seen those figures cited before, FWIW).

So... HildebrandRarity, you're still working on how to figured out more favorables numbers, that could make QOS appears as more popular than it really is, worldwide. Good luck then! maybe if you try really hard, you could find a 'mathematical' way to put your favourite Bond movie as more successful at the BO than TB.


Seems to me some are trying to make arguments like, QOS wasn't as good as CR, or it didn't connect with audiences as much as CR did. And there's a point to made there, sure (my take: love story trumps revenge story, duh). But also seems like some want to go farther - QOS was poorly written, edited, acted, directed, etc. - and that's what's not supported by anybody's version of the BO or admissions numbers, at least going on how previous recent Bond follow-ups have performed willy-nilly of issues of relative "quality." Don't see anybody trying to make the counter argument you suggest, ie QOS is in TB territory (you were just being snarky, huh?).

BO and admissions both show:

CR, and GE before it, did better than their follow-ups. Beyond that, the numbers show Craig's one (so far) follow-up has performed better than any of Brosnan's follow-ups. My take: both CR and QOS are quality Bonds, one a love story (with cooresponding higher numbers), one a revenger (with a bit lower numbers, sure).

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 06:37 AM

Seems to me some are trying to make arguments like, QOS wasn't as good as CR, or it didn't connect with audiences as much as CR did. And there's a point to made there, sure (my take: love story trumps revenge story, duh). But also seems like some want to go farther - QOS was poorly written, edited, acted, directed, etc. - and that's what's not supported by anybody's version of the BO or admissions numbers, at least going on how previous recent Bond follow-ups have performed willy-nilly of issues of relative "quality."

Perceptively stated blueman. This is the crux of it. Several CBNers really have it in for QoS and I think it cuts them up to think that the film has performed extremely well at the BO. Spurious comparisons to the 60s are just smoke and mirrors really. What will be the next determiner of QoS's "failure"? "Oh it's the shortest Bond ever, well in the 1960s the average running time was..." *yawn*

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 06:39 AM

Seems to me some are trying to make arguments like, QOS wasn't as good as CR, or it didn't connect with audiences as much as CR did.

One reason why QoS had a huge, front-loaded opening weekend was because of Casino Royale. It remains to be seen if Bond 23 has a similar showing because of QoS.

Fair point. I would expect the next Bond to be well-hyped, and open big. JMHO.

If not...then there is a connection to be questioned after all. I know quite a number of people who left the cinema unimpressed.

Just as many or more left very impressed, judging by the BO and admissions. :(

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 07:33 AM

"Quantum of Solace ruled the German box office in 2008.

Quantum of Solace
According to a new Screen Daily report, Daniel Craig’s second James Bond entry ranked as the year’s top earner in the country, with a $42.5 million gross (31.5 million €)." (Taken from CB.N)

However in boxofficemojo's table as of last week 4 of January the total of German QOS revenue was 40m$. Now where is the 2m$ came from ? If 42,5m$ as of 31.12.2008 for Germany is right, Germanys total may reach to 45m$ or even more.

So more good news to QOS.

On the underperforming issue I wont change my mind. However I dont want to continue because we wont reach anywhere.

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 07:50 AM

Ah, the joy of catching up...

Some pages ago, Hilderbrand resorted to his long-disproved argument that Bond's worldwide total for QoS is only down in the UK because of exchange rates. In the post in question, he asserted that QoS had made the same amount in the UK as CR. This is simply false and wrong.

Casino Royale made 55.5 million POUNDS in the UK.

As of January 2, QoS had made less than 51 million POUNDS in the UK.

This number is SMALLER than CR's number. Since Hilderbrand wanted to mock the potential math skills of those making statements about international numbers, we should ask him:

Has QoS made MORE or LESS money in the UK than CR?

Have ticket prices in the UK gone UP or DOWN between Nov. 2006 and Nov. 2008?

Was it CORRECT or INCORRECT to say that the difference between the UK grosses was due to exchange rate fluctuations?

Was it HONEST or DISHONEST to proclaim that QoS was performing at the same level as CR in the UK?

Could your 13 YEAR OLD figure out that there is an easily quantifiable difference between 55.5 and 51?

Hopefully, we can now return to some relatively more polite exchanges, because some rude sods should hopefully either shut up, apologize for their tone, or at least be a bit more civil and less mocking.

Keep dancing...